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Hey guys I recently went to a Jet2 interview for an FO position.
I asked about bases and they said that Belfast is tough to get into (dead mans shoes is how he put it) because it's not expanding and the pilots who are based there want to stay there permanently. East Midlands is also apparently hard to get whereas Stansted and Leeds are seeing growth. I was also told by the HR guy that rosters are published 8 weeks in advanced, that the days off are fixed and that typically we would fly 650 - 750 hours a year (weighted in the summer). I'm not sure how accurate this is or if it's recruitment spin, perhaps someone who works there can enlighten me? Are the off days actually fixed or is that just an ideal that the crew planning tries (but fails) to achieve? What kind of roster instability are we talking about? Edit: Forgot to mention that there were two captains there applying for DEC, one type rated the other NTR. |
In terms of days off being fixed, they are inasmuch as once the roster is written, the days off won't be changed. You get three Request Days Off per month which are pretty much guaranteed to remain unchanged. Rosters are published on the first Thursday of each month for the next month.
In my time at Jet2, the program has gotten progressively busier. Last year I flew ~240 sectors. This year I've already done over 220 with 5 months left to fly. |
Originally Posted by wycjol
(Post 10209217)
Take home pay in summer is averaging £6000 with 10-12 days of flying @80-ish hours (and an additional 10 standby/reserve). Winter is about £5400 with 4 or 5 days of flying @ 30-ish hours (and about 15 standby/reserve). Summer £5800 to 6500 is NET in your hands so to speak. Winter £5200 But that is a bit lower than average because as I litterly done NOTHING last winter. I dont know a single FO or Capt in my base flying less than 90 hrs a month most closer to 95. Thats of course ignoring AL / sickness. Im using discretion A LOT this year 3-4 times a month but thats French ATC rather than !!!!ty rosters. Most days are 2 sectors only 1 overnight 3 sec duty and its only at the week ends luck of the draw some are nailed 3 times a month others haven't done it yet !!! Hours yep 700 a year ish but be warned its 600 during the summer ... April to Oct and 50-150 during the winter. The 10 stbys a month is a lot, in my exp more like 4 reserves ( 90% not called ) and 3 perhaps 4 Stby a month ( so far exactly a 50% call out for me) Lots of options for winter leave both paid and unpaid. Defiantly busier this year and will be more so next year. Some horrible reports expect to see a full office @ 5 am and again @ 2 -3 am on lates. Despite the mayhem of the French the rosters are preety stable its not a FIXED roster but on the published roster the days off DONT change but you will get the odd call asking to work a day off. but absolutely zero pressure to say yes , in fact I've never said yes EVER ! Over all its the best company Ive worked for in 22 years flying ( only 3 here in J2 ) in my not so humble opinion. Most people are happy........ with the normal bitching and moaning we are so good at. Ive noticed its the ppl that live 90 mins from the AP that are the ppl most unhappy as its a bloody killer in the summer but thats their fault. Come Sept you can really see the wear and tare telling on them.. |
Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants
(Post 10206649)
- 80% pass rate is about correct whether you work "here" or not - reference: I work here too:}
There isn't a list, you knuckle down, do a good job and you get your chance. Jet2 love their internal upgrades more, internal candidates are prioritised over external DEC's. Doesn't even warrant a sensible answer:= |
Quote from previous post "Jet2 Cons: - Unstable random roster - Command system convoluted - RAF mentality, paired with itchy jumper and lots of hoops to jump through all the time, to prove you're a company person - Jess Glynne" What is an itchy jumper and Who or what is Jess Glynne? |
Crap uniform and non stop having to listen to that bloody awful tune they paid Jess Glynne a fortune for..... " Hold my Hand" . It's slowly driving us all nuts...
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COTB, have you considered RTR part time? I too have decided I have had enough of commuting to Heathrow with ‘trip two days off’ for the rest of my career, and predicting how bad JSS will be for a junior captain, my lifestyle is going to change beyond recognition. I considered leaving, but decided it would be madness to leave without first obtaining the command. In your shoes, I would have chosen part time (to make the commute with short haul acceptable), and then bid for a short haul command. Once you have your 500 hours, you can review whether to continue part time with BA or go for a DEC with someone else? If you are in no rush for a command, these options are still available to you, you will just have to wait until 2020 for the command having not bid for it in the recent window. Part time is in my opinion, the only way to survive BA nowadays, but I think part time with BA will be a better lifestyle than full time with someone else. |
Originally Posted by Ivan aromer
(Post 10211726)
Who or what is Jess Glynne? |
What’s the pay for working a day off as a Captain? |
Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
(Post 10211841)
Jess Glynne is an experimental interrogation technique adapted from CIA PsychOps, designed to weaken the resilience of militant aircrew. It's similar to waterboarding, only in the ears with repetitive unbearable noises rather than water and a flannel.
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Originally Posted by RVF750
(Post 10211743)
Crap uniform and non stop having to listen to that bloody awful tune they paid Jess Glynne a fortune for..... " Hold my Hand" . It's slowly driving us all nuts...
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Ineresting thread... re the FR guys who are getting a bit annoyed, are they saying it's actually worse than FR or is it just a bit of frustration of high workload and roster changes during the peak summer season? Surely the thought of a quiet winter is light at the end of the tunnel for these chaps? I can't imagine any flying job being much worse than FR at the moment so I am very interested to know!! |
For Jet 2 guys. I am an easyJet pilot thinking of booking a last minute package with Jet 2 rather than use eJ staff travel. The reasons are:
1. eJ have had a cr@p summer with many massive delays and cancellations and as a ST passenger you are entitled to nothing. 2. If I pay full fare with eJ I will be better off if it all goes wrong but our customer care is woeful and inadequate so I would have my plans ruined and still be scratching around trying to save my holiday. 3. At least with a package holiday delays to the flights will not have such a bad effect on the rest of the holiday and Jet 2 will have to pick up the cost to the other elements such as hotels and car hire. The big question is how is the summer going at Jet 2, thinking of flying out of either STN or EMA? Cheers |
I would say it is going well. We will have had some delays, of that there is no doubt, and some of those will not have been insignificant, but that’s no different to any other airline. Apart from one exceptional day at the end of May we haven’t cancelled a single flight. Jet2 holidays is an excellent product, go for it. |
Originally Posted by Normal Pilot
(Post 10215936)
There are good and bad things about both airlines, its personal choice which one works best for you. I am also finding that a lot of ex-FR pilots are looking to return, I think its mainly for the standard of life that FR offer, the fixed roster offers stability if you are based where you want to be.
I'm ex-FR but have no interest in returning at the moment, I do miss the 5/4 very much and I definitely had a better home life in FR than I do now, but Jet2 is a much nicer company to work for, they have a decent and improving annual leave system, transparent basing system and you can actually pick the phone up and talk to people if needed, i.e. crewing. Its just a shame they don't have a decent roster! if they did, very few would leave. If the roster situation hasn't improved within the next year or two, then I probably would look at returning to FR too. I feel more exhausted doing 500 hrs per year than I did doing 897 hrs per year in FR, that would indicate there is something wrong with the roster, a lot of ex-FR guys say the same, thats why they are leaving, I think! but I do think things will change at Jet2. Lots of people say that in Jet2 you have the winters to look forward to, it means nothing, you still get very few days off, instead of flights your roster is full of standby days, which you can't do anything on nor relax because you're always checking your phone, so you are confined to your house (or hotel room if you don't live within 90 minutes). |
I have to say the roster stability issues Ive heard of and being on standby/airport standby all winter is really off-putting. Is there any appetite to change this? |
Originally Posted by Normal Pilot
(Post 10217058)
Your guess is as good as mine! Airport standby only exists at a couple of bases in the U.K. the rest of us are on standby at home most of the winter. its the lack of days off that need to change, a fixed roster would be the best of both worlds. Can’t do anything in 2 days off apart from recover from the previous duties. |
Originally Posted by Normal Pilot
(Post 10215936)
There are good and bad things about both airlines, its personal choice which one works best for you. I am also finding that a lot of ex-FR pilots are looking to return, I think its mainly for the standard of life that FR offer, the fixed roster offers stability if you are based where you want to be.
I'm ex-FR but have no interest in returning at the moment, I do miss the 5/4 very much and I definitely had a better home life in FR than I do now, but Jet2 is a much nicer company to work for, they have a decent and improving annual leave system, transparent basing system and you can actually pick the phone up and talk to people if needed, i.e. crewing. Its just a shame they don't have a decent roster! if they did, very few would leave. If the roster situation hasn't improved within the next year or two, then I probably would look at returning to FR too. I feel more exhausted doing 500 hrs per year than I did doing 897 hrs per year in FR, that would indicate there is something wrong with the roster, a lot of ex-FR guys say the same, thats why they are leaving, I think! but I do think things will change at Jet2. Lots of people say that in Jet2 you have the winters to look forward to, it means nothing, you still get very few days off, instead of flights your roster is full of standby days, which you can't do anything on nor relax because you're always checking your phone, so you are confined to your house (or hotel room if you don't live within 90 minutes). I doubt the Jet 2 model suits a fixed pattern roster as unlike FR if there is any sign of trouble at least Jet 2 will give it a go as its not just a flight it's a package holiday involved. FR just cancel and leave their pax (customers to Jet2) in the lurch. |
why a lot of FR people go back. |
Why couldn’t Jet2 offer their pilots a 5/4 in winter instead of a random roster, if everyone is on standby? Some of the options are attractive - 80% pay deal (really 90% pay since half of that lost income would go on tax anyway, and still 100% towards pension etc) for 4 months completely off. If you tag your annual leave, 5 full months off roster. Is this still offered? The minimum days off deal has been around in the charter airline business for years. Operational flexibility. Airport standby in UK when all aircraft are on the deck in the canaries or turkey on turnaround could become frustrating I guess. |
Nowhere is perfect. In Ryanair I had 4 days off every 'week' which was great, but I spent at least 1, sometimes more of those commuting to my under-crewed home base which they wouldn't give me. In Jet2 I have a random roster, I work not far off half the number of hours a year, I get tired during the summer in between leave, I spend most of the winter on standby which because I live within 20 mins of the crew room means I can do pretty much anything I would do on a day off apart from hit the beers.
One will suit some and the other will suit others. The roster isn't everything - that applies to both. |
As a BA 787 SFO I average about £5300 / month net on pay point 7 and I get 13/14 days off roughly every month.
The big advantage of Jet2 for me would be living up north, which I would vastly prefer for many reasons but not least because its so much cheaper from a cost of living perspective. Trouble is, it sounds like a lot less days off and not that much more money to sit in the LHS. |
As an SFO on the 757, flying 400 hours a year (which is 100 hours more than the last two years!): matching the companies 8% pension contribution expect about £3500-3700 a month take home in the winter flying 2 days a month, flying 10 days a month in the summer taking home £4100. Normal FO salary is approx £6000 less off your gross annual salary so deduct about £250 a month from the above figures, however if you join on the 737 expect to fly double the above averaged out over the year and probably about another £300 a month in sector/duty pay (this is a guess as obviously i don't fly it)
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Originally Posted by whitemonk
(Post 10219823)
As an SFO on the 757, flying 400 hours a year (which is 100 hours more than the last two years!): matching the companies 8% pension contribution expect about £3500-3700 a month take home in the winter flying 2 days a month, flying 10 days a month in the summer taking home £4100. Normal FO salary is approx £6000 less off your gross annual salary so deduct about £250 a month from the above figures, however if you join on the 737 expect to fly double the above averaged out over the year and probably about another £300 a month in sector/duty pay (this is a guess as obviously i don't fly it)
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I note from PPJN there is talk of "a possible merger with Airtanker and ongoing negotiations with TUI group" Jet2.com pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools Is anyone able to elaborate on this? Is a TUI buyout on the cards or is this nonsense? Thanks |
Originally Posted by Sallytraffic
(Post 10221764)
I note from PPJN there is talk of "a possible merger with Airtanker and ongoing negotiations with TUI group" Jet2.com pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools Is anyone able to elaborate on this? Is a TUI buyout on the cards or is this nonsense? Thanks |
The latest 6th August updates to the Jet2 page on PPJN are highly suspect, with some possible plonker-pulling as Chesty points out. I am doubtful about the AirTanker thing but don't have enough knowledge to confirm or deny this. The 757s will certainly go beyond 2020 and there definitely wouldn't be a 5 year bond for anyone transferring to the 737!
Someone with the know-how (or login) should edit the PPJN info and get rid of that BS. |
Jet2 seem to be hiring more DEC. 2 Captains are leaving from my base (Ryanair). Is the lifestyle at Jet2 that good? I know there are options for unpaid leave in winter. What’s the BOGOFF deal? Don’t know any pilots at Jet2 but I know a couple of Cabin Crew who say it’s a nice company to work for. Just a shame they don’t pay a little more for Captains. |
Originally Posted by fastidious bob
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option 2 sounds good. 90%. Obviously this is on top of your leave? |
Leave is abated by the rate at which it is accrued (ie you lose 3 days/mth) arbitrary really if you take a month off in which you would otherwise have taken leave. |
Originally Posted by SCINHead
(Post 10228162)
Leave is abated by the rate at which it is accrued (ie you lose 3 days/mth) arbitrary really if you take a month off in which you would otherwise have taken leave. So if you take 2 months off, you lose 1 month of pay and 1 month of leave (3 days unless you are in a leave bonus year). Depending on individual circumstances these options also have the benefit of getting some/all of your tax free allowance back. So the net effect is even better than at first sight. |
Have BALPA negotiated any pay deals for April 2019? |
Originally Posted by fastidious bob
(Post 10229150)
Have BALPA negotiated any pay deals for April 2019? |
Having said that there has been a decent pay rise every year since I’ve been here. |
Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
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Having said that there has been a decent pay rise every year since I’ve been here. |
Hi Chaps
Jumping into this forum as it seems to be the most appropriate; hoping for some advice please. Just been offered Stansted FO on the ubiquitous 75% contract starting in the next three months. It's a pretty big step down from current role in terms of pay and seat but I need more time at home so content to take the pain for a couple or three years. That said, the commute is going to be challenging as I am an hour or so away from Stansted. Can anyone tell me what the Jet2 standby rules are? And are there any facilities at the base to shower and change? If so I might be able to commute by motorbike during the summer months which would make the A14 a whole lot easier to negotiate. I'm assuming that there is free staff parking? Thanks in advance for any help. |
Jet 2 captain position alicante spanish contract
Hi everybody, I’m looking for information about the salary, terms and condition of JET2, spanish contract, Alicante base. TIA |
Standby callout is 2 hrs. The rule is you need to be 1.5hrs away max. Staff parking is included. Not seen any showers around when I last visited STN.
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Dave - If you want time at home then the 75% contract would be an ideal starter, the format is:
Jan & Feb - Off completely. Mar to May - 50% = 10 working days per month Jun to Sep - 100% Oct to Dec - 50 % You'll more than likely be offered 100% after 1 year from date of joining; you can either stay on 75% or go 100% and apply for one of the Winter Leave options, assuming they're offered next year. You'll work hard in the Summer. Being 1 hour away isn't an issue for standbys, but in Summer you'll struggle to do much more than work and sleep. |
RAFAT, RVF750, thanks very much. That's good to know.
Aye, the summer will be busy but I have family in Essex so maybe I can kip overnight there if the commute gets too much. Are there many 'Go Now!' callouts on standby or do you tend to get a bit more notice? I'm coming over from corporate (17 on/12 off) so this is all a bit new to me. |
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