Any information available as to how long you could expect to wait for upgrade from relief Capt to capt

Despite a purported system-wide Master Seniority List, upgrades on all fleets is entirely at the whim of Norwegian’s questionable management. Third-party, agency employed pilots, either individually or collectively, have neither an employment relationship nor recourse directly with Norwegian, whatsoever. Read the contract.

‘Morality’ and ‘correctness’ are not words I would associate with Norwegian’s labor model, nor, I imagine, would those staff on the receiving end of Norwegian’s oppressive style, regularly making headlines in the Scandinavian media:-

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post9326078

Kjos talks a good talk on how he values his staff at 2.00 minutes in the video below:-

“The number one criteria for success is all the fantastic people we have up in the air, in the offices, on the ground”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzAS...&nohtml5=False

If staff are indeed the number one asset, it follows, those same staff have a commodity with which they can decisively negotiate a positive change in their working terms and conditions. The Norwegian Pilot Group declares its goal to members:-

“To facilitate the effective collective representation for ALL Norwegian pilots regardless of country or base”

Rather than idly boast, system-wide collective representation, why not actually do something(?) - NPG: Norwegian’s Pitiful Group.

Apparently, Norwegian’s 787 pilots want to go their own way and have formed the Norwegian Long Haul Pilots Association, NLHPA. Their website states;

“NLHPA will seek its goals by establishing a constructive relationship with the employer”

Their “employer” is the third-party agency that rents them to Norwegian. Any “goals” sought directly with Norwegian require different methods. Let’s hope they can meet the challenge. If not, it is in danger of becoming the NLHPA - Norwegian’s Long Haul Pilot Apathy.

A group of sheep will soon have masters of wolves….....or one smiling rock-ape!

Maybe he did, but unfortunately he is always pretty much on the money with NAS/NAN/NAI/NUK or whatever flavour they are this month.

Dutyplan
 

Hi fellow chaps,

is there noone that can provide a dutyplan, 787 based in Gatwick?

Come on guys, share please! :ok: Also per PN if you like..

US airlines Norwegian Air International - Tech Insider

Well, finally they got the tentative approval.... at least some glimmer of hope for the 787 crews and with Ryanair feeding PAX to them they may do well after all..

Ryanair in talks to feed passengers to Norwegian carrier - Independent.ie

Nothing to do with Obama's visit to UK then!

Gents, there is not much about NLH on this forum because honestly, any info with at least a touch of validity is a scarce commodity

What s the use for instance of publishing the rosters if they constantly change? Be ready for just about anything, sometimes you ll have five days off in a row, but then 20 days away as well. You ll be commuting between bases, never knowing for sure your next day or week. Of course a positive change is "just around the corner", its only hard to say which one. If you think about it realistically, the plan is to open destinations on all five continents, which means with the low budget mentality, the chaos is to be expected for years to come.

As far as the recruitment process goes, streight foward, after prior online psycho tests a small presentation with little info (or enthusiasm) provided, an interview with who you are, what do you expect, with one or two general tech questions and the sim.

The sim is on a 737 and you are basically expected to go through a rushed 45 minutes OPC, including an engine out at vr and single engine np approach with all of the relevant checklists. And that with no prior explanations nor help. Needles to say, if you re 737 type rated, its an easy task, otherwise you may feel like an idiot in a plane you have never touched before.

Adding this to the fact that the company does not even deem it necessary as a gesture of respect to pay even for a single night of hotel accomodation for you in Oslo, you will leave with the feeling of knowing fairly well of what you are getting into. A low budget airline with a very blurred future and questionable employee treatment, but, if thats your ultimate goal, you can fly a dreamliner.

Love how they are pimping flying the 787 as some sort of super awesome once in a career privilege. After 1000 hours on the thing, I can tell you it's just another airliner that goes far. The only thing that is a little nicer then others is the bunk. I really hope that's not worth the damage this horrid contract does to our profession.

As above
 

Good post geronimoapache. There you have it gentlemen.

Since I am an American pilot I will only say that for the incredibly low pay and a training bond, how can any of you be even considering this horrible deal at NAI? At the company I work for at 8 years seniority I take-home about 14,000 Euro a month. And I work for about 20% less than some of the other airlines. In addition I have 18+ days off monthly, unlimited travel, retirement and profit-sharing about 35,000 Euro yearly.
Why is it that you all seem to value your skills and knowledge so little as to crawl over to NAI to fly internationally on a widebody for what my copilot on an A320 makes? I must be seriously missing some great benefit or extra pay that has not been mentioned yet. PLEASE tell me why you are even thinking about calling Rishworth?
I guess I don't understand how flying in Europe works. I'm not trying flame anyone or brag, I just don't understand.

Combination of erectile dysfunction & over-exposure to Dubai. . . . .

That will do it!

Because, the industry in the Europe is in the toilet. Just like it was in the US for a long time, just few short years ago.

It's easy to succumb to a bit of tall poppy syndrome, until you realise that it's swings and roundabouts.

Exchange rates are also subject to change. Your legacy guys with 35+ years seniority were hovering around $200/hr. 100,000GBP a year, or 115,000 Euros at the time. It was the laughing stock of the developed world's aviation market.

It comes and goes, and while I'm not for a moment defending this hideous contract, it's just a manifestation of the current market forces in the EU. As was the joke of a decade in the US.

Guys any update on the selection process? I've applied last summer and did the online test. After several months I've got an email telling me to wait (approx xmas).
Then another email few months ago telling me again to wait cause the application process is still in progress.

WTF almost 1 year and I still don't have the result of my online test or any news about the next step of the assessment.

As far as I am aware, all recruitment and employment will eventually transfer to Orient Ship Management, OSM (aviation division).
Why don't you contact them ?

Don't you have some warning bells going off in your head. If they treat you this way during the recruitment process, and you still are interested in joining them. Some people really can't be helped.

M.H. :ooh: what company do you work for? What a/c type are you flying? Are they recruiting? Also non-typerated? I think we all want to send our C.V.!

Plenty of decent money jobs out there working for airlines that don't feed from the bottom.

I'm an 11 year F/O on a package of 24,000 USD per month, clearing 20,000 after tax. 747 for a legacy well to the east.

I wouldn't get out of bed for less.

Unfortunately in the EU any idiot with 250 hours and type rating can get to a linee cockpit..paying for it in the range of 150K euro so that he'll be able to post a picture of him self in the cockpit on his FB page and to feel super cool. Pax will pay soon the price of this lack of background and wisdom.

roster net salary
 

hi guys

anybody has finally a roster of lgw based capt and a net salary for uk non resident

appreciate

If you are recruited, best open a Skype account, pack washing powder, pot noodles, and delay any major purchases - at least until you can secure permanent employment with an airline, rather than fragile employment with Orient Ship Management, OSM, or other agency broom cupboard affiliate.

US presidential candidate Bernie Sanders believes;

“Norwegian International’s attempt to undermine international labor laws is unacceptable“

“We must do everything we can to prevent a global race to the bottom in the airline industry”

https://berniesanders.com/issues/pre...line-industry/

http://e24.no/naeringsliv/norwegian-...-skje/23677670

The Sanders announcement is surprising given that Kjos has worked hard to gain approval of politicians in his unique, diplomatic style:

“Norwegian CEO Bjorn Kjos believes American politicians who criticize him are bought and paid for”

http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/...kjpt-og-betalt

The NLH roadshow in the Middle East has been a failure. Now they are trying to sell their poor contracts to the Martinair pilots.

Out of curiousity, do you have to be a EU citizen to work for NLH if based in the EU?

Do NLH have any EU bases now, as opposed to BKK?

I see that Rishworth are offering employment with NLH now via a "UK Employment Contract with a UK Company" whatever that means?

I presume that for this contract, you must be a EU citizen?

They are only offering the LGW base.

Theres a quote on Rishworth site from a very happy chappie who says NLH is the best thing going .
Is this guy quoted for real?

Now NLH have their approval , frequencies from LGW will increase. Good news ?

Lots of pilots in the sandpit looking to get out and the roadshow was a failure. It gives an idea about the offer by NLH...

Online test done. Anyone knows how long can I expect to wait for a reply?

NAI does not have us dot approval, NAI only has been granted tentative approval.

The fat lady has yet to sing.

Correct – she just ordered another very large pizza…

The Irish Examiner reports today:-

“32 US Congressmen have now written to Mr. Obama urging his administration to reconsider the US Department of Transportation’s (DoT) tentative decision to grant a foreign air carrier permit to Irish-based airline, Norwegian Air International (NAI)”

“The Congressmen said the opportunities created by Open Skies are not intended to undermine labor standards or the labor related rights and principles contained in EU or US laws”

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ts-400296.html

NAI pilots and cabin crews are employed by various worldwide agencies. The flight crews have neither labor rights nor labor principles with NAI directly.

At the end of the day do we legally have to have unionisation within an employer ? Doesnt happen at Goldmansachs right.? Korean Air happily operate to the US with contractual non unionised labour.
If a pilot accepts a contract that is deemed to be a bit of a pi$$ take then so be it?

If NLH cant get sufficient guys then they will increas their rates. Just because its low pay low cost shouldn't have an impact on their rights to open skies ?

With the plunge in demand for trans atlantic tourism it will be interesting to see how the next year or two pans out regarding how secure those UK Crewing contracts are.

At the end of the day Goldman Sachs and Korean Air have no association whatsoever with a negotiated trade agreement between the US and Europe. Included in that agreement are stipulated conditions to which both parties agreed (Article 17 bis – social element). If NAI wish to obtain a US foreign air carrier permit they must comply with the agreed conditions, simple as that. Apparently, the smiling rock ape group believes they are an exception.

In addition to Bernie Sanders, Democrat candidate for President, frontrunner Hillary Clinton, is also urging the Obama administration not to move forward with final approval of the NAI permit. In a statement to The Hill political website, Clinton campaign director Nikki Budzinski said:-

“Too many questions have been raised about NAI’s practices and plans”

http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...m-flying-to-us

"Company circumvention of Norway rules cited as reason for discontent"

http://e24.no/utenriks/hillary-clint...egian/23690146

The contentious issues have more to do with labor rights and labor principles rather than rates of pay. A search of this website and the Norway media will reveal some of Norwegian's unsavory labor practices.

.....or if you're a shorthaul captain looking for a change in to long haul you can now apply to as DEC on the 777 with EK. Same workload (?), no union there either, more money. :E

Just received the latest updates with a general email:

The purpose of this email is to give you a brief update of the recruitment to Norwegian’s Boeing 787 fleet, and the status of your application for a flight crew position on the same fleet.

We continue to screen candidates with high intensity. During this summer we plan to screen 250 candidates for courses starting in autumn and winter. Screenings will also continue throughout the year and the years to come.

We continue to expand our Boeing 787 fleet. Today was announced that we have signed an agreement to lease two new Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners to be delivered in spring 2018. With this new agreement, our long-haul fleet will consist of 42 Dreamliners by 2020. As of today, we have 10 Dreamliners delivered.

So the future will keep us busy, and we need many new pilots.

In 2015, Norwegian was voted the most fuel-efficient transatlantic airline by renowned International Council on Clean Transportation.

Your application is still active. We will contact you further if you fail any step along the selection process, if we need more information from you, or if you progress to the step (being invited to screening).

We do send out emails like this one on a frequent basis, but we have no possibility to give individual updates to the thousands of applicants we have. If you have any questions in the meantime, please don’t hesitate to contact us via this email. Due to heavy workload from time to time, answers may take up to a few days to deliver.

In the meantime, please check that your application in Webcruiter is complete. To assist you, you will find attached a guide to Webcruiter. For contractual issues, please contact Rishworth Aviation.

Almost one year of waiting and they just send these ridicolous emails. Bah...

Same here... Did the online test in October and still waiting if it was successfull or not...

Had an application in for 3 years heard nothing other than your application is still active. Don't hold your breath.

Your treatment, prior to entering a company, is a a "free", and very important "heads-up", of how you may expect to be treated if you choose to enter . . . . please, dear colleagues, bear this in mind. :hmm:

Capt. PlayStation and direct bondi what is the obsession you have with Norwegian ? Do you not have anything better to do ? Advice is one thing. Revenge / bitterness / not having a life is quite another. You've made your million points. Bore off now.

The only thing I find annoying is the nasty invective used by some. This thread is there to bring out positive/negative aspects of life with NAS and I for one am intrigued at what the future holds here. If NAS are so great I would love to see positive rebuttal of the accusations against them - but it never seems to happen.

so Crossbones. What is your problem with Cpt Playstation and Direct Bondi's posts? I think they are spot on and brings valuable info.
Hard to accept reality?

Hear, hear........

As Jaxofmarlow said, if NAS/NAI are such a great employer then where are the hundreds of employees jumping on here to defend them.........

My last response was deleted by the Mods, seems - - - - is now a swear word ;)

At the end of the day, no-one is forced to read this thread, and everyone has the right of response.

As long as a company that I invested a few years of my time & efforts into continues to become a worse employer with the passage of each season, I will vent my spleen here.

The Fornebu honchos (now ably aided & abetted by OSM/NAI ) are trying to reinvent a particularly blue/yellow wheel, just as the instigators of these ideas are softening somewhat (to both clients & employees) as the realisation dawns that they cannot alienate their customers, nor lose the percentage of employees that they do, whilst simultaneously continuing their rampant expansion.

In spite of one of the most buoyant seasons for employment recently enjoyed this last 12 mths, NAS seem to think that we are so stupid that they can tread all over market forces & still be overrun with hapless hopefuls, I am here to help disprove this theory.
Sharing knowledge & pre-warning my colleagues in the industry is not some "cause celebre" on my part, I just want to have a clear conscience that I contribute to anyone joining doing so with full knowledge of what they are signing up for, and the fact that the reality may differ somewhat.

If anyone does't wish to hear ? well bury your head in the sand, but when you come on here bleating 9mths later as you face a Winter of unrequested, unexpected (if your head was that deeply buried) unpaid leave, don't expect that I will couch my "Told you so" in cotton wool sympathetic tones . . . . .