Actually I was asked in my last interview which type I'd like to fly.

The Norwegian labor model is like the plot of a low budget horror movie. Except in this instance the victims are inexplicably running toward the monster.

Fixed-term, full time employment continues to be offered only by an agency for temporary work with Norwegian at LGW. The agency may or may not find you alternative work if Norwegian summarily dispenses with your services. Individual agency contracts may indemnify the agency from any obligation due to decisions taken by their client airline, Norwegian. If applying for a mortgage always be aware:

"Mortgage fraud is a crime in which the intent is to materially misrepresent or omit information on a mortgage loan application to obtain a loan, or obtain a larger loan, than would have not been obtained had the lender or borrower known the truth" - this includes failure to disclose liabilities, such as a training bond.

Kjos promised direct employment in his June 1 letter:

"It has and will continue to be our firm policy to offer all pilots and cabin crews employed through agencies, the opportunity to transfer their employment to a company in the Norwegian Group at the end of a transitional period"

In respect of direct employment at the end of any LGW transitional period, Kjos has, so far, failed to honor his promise. The Norwegian Pilot Group declares on its website that direct employment is a main objective. Given the Kjos labor relations record, there may be trouble ahead in achieving or even maintaining this objective. The Scandinavian pilot group and their direct employment contract renewal, will be the tester for any 100% Norwegian, pilot unity (not just a shiny red badge, but a way of life):

"The Norwegian Pilot Group believes that cooperation and unity of purpose are essential to protect our collective professional interests in Norwegian and are committed to working together"

Good news:- from November 15, new EU legislation is enacted and includes specific terminology to protect Norwegian's agency crew, and others, if reporting safety matters. Previous legislation, EU 2003/42/EC, protected only "employees". Norwegian has summarily dismissed agency crew, via their agency, after they raised safety issues. EU 376/2014 protects both "employees and contracted personnel" - Link: https://easa.europa.eu/document-libr...-eu-no-3762014

Pilots can now make full use of the initiatives described in the Norwegian OM A, 1.4.1 and 3.4.2 also, 7.5, without fear of retribution. Any crew fatigued due to positioning to/from flights, are encouraged to submit the applicable report.

Hi guy,
I have done the online tests 3 weeks ago and at the moment still no answer.

Do you know how long does it takes the procedure to get the invitation for the assessment?
And when?

Thank you

any news? No answers for me?

Why don't you ask rishworth ?

I hear you won't get any feedback in the process unless you fail any step. So, if you hear nothing after completing the online tests all should be fine and you await a possible invitation. Something like that it says in the email when you register the application.

It's an ongoing process. If you are current on Boeing it's a greater chance you'll get invited for interview and sim, less if Airbus rated, even less if rated on smaller aircraft. Heard it has to do with cost of training.

Hear they will recruit every month 2016. They just asked all pilots if anyone wanted to join the recruitment team. 30 B787-9 coming five years is a lot of pilots... :ok:

I understand they only interviewing B777 B787 guys predominantly from the gulf airlines. and Turkish . Will keep the recruitment people busy for a few months. No shortage of overqualified applicants both FO n DEC.

No idea how many guys have actually taken the leap of faith and left EK, QR and the unmentionable lot for NLH?

Most pilots from Ryanair, Primera, SunExpress, ex KLM, ex Martinair, SIA, Privatair, Jet time, Jet2, Cargolux, Silkway and Norwegian short haul. Also some from Emirates, Etihad and Qatar, but not that many yet.

For DEC, they are asking for 1000 hours min widebody. Presumanly those from narrow body are taken on as FO?

Boeing Operator,Highfive
 

Check your PM please.

Personally, I can't see the advantage of flying the "plastic fantastic" (jet-lag/no wifi / 8 ? or is it now 10 ? days off a month) in preference to the 738 (same money / wifi / if LGW based home most nights & contracted 12 OFF a month) am I missing something more relevant than penis size here :E ;)



How does wifi/no wifi come into the picture?

Yes you are missing something,
Not everyone lives near gatwick - they don't do all out and backs anyway.

The money's actually a tad better.

Also SH don't offer the ability for unrated DEC on 737,

Those with enough command experience on small planes join as ' relief captain '

WTF you going on about wifi for ?

How is a typical monthly roster? How many days off?

Minimum 10 days off per month, average is 11,5 days/month they say. Plus 28 days vacation per year. A few positioning days per month, a couple of blank days. If you live in Scandinavia or at LGW, for example, using your blank days and positioning days wise you end up with a few more days off per month.

They offer three choices; variable roster (variable amount of off-days, perhaps nice to them living close to LGW), two blocks of (minimum) 5 days off each, and one block of (minimum) 10 days off.

At the moment only direct entry CPT and FO, but hear they will open externally for RCA as well within days.

"Why wifi"

Take a guess

I was rather hoping he want implying whether the aircraft has wifi or not is a selling point for beings it's bloody pilot.

Modern generation

I kind of get why a Brit 777 Captain from a hot and sweaty part of the world might want to do be a NLH Captain ...

but I really can't conceive of why an experienced A320/737 Captain would be interested in the crushingly boring role of cruise pilot - (A role most EU airlines just use standard FOs for, provided they have an ATPL).

I am reliably informed that the older pilots are just as bad as their younger colleagues if not worse when it comes to the Norwegian wifi so stop kidding yourself.

" I am reliably informed that the older pilots are just as bad as their younger colleagues if not worse when it comes to the Norwegian wifi so stop kidding yourself."


You bet :ok:

Whilst it may not be a factor in your decision, it is nice to have (particularly if you are at a base with an average sector length of 4-5 hrs ) Amazing Boeing couldn't have sent the Screamliner out the door with it fitted as standard, so much for "modern". But, really, it is a sideshow to the main questions, which concern salary/employment model/rosters/duties/layovers/quality of hotels/quality of air. On that last note, I am jealous of your 6000ft cabin alt with no bleed air, and being able to hear yourself think without the 737 racket all the time, but, I still think the gig falls well short of what anyone could reasonably expect from a long haul contract, hence why I couldn't get excited about it in preference to a 737 contract with the same operator. (apart from at LGW base where the rosters seem to be useless on a magnitude possibly related to where they originate from )

Good to see UK AOC has now been approved. Will any 787 go on the G reg now that EASA FTL offers a level playing field

UK AOC
 

Eventually all 787 & 737's will be G reg opening up many new doors.....

Norwegian’s UK AOC:

Norwegian has made NO announcement of any date to employ pilots at LGW in 2016 or beyond.

Norwegian continues to source pilots on a temporary basis from various agency employers and may ‘return’ those pilots to the agency at any time, without reason, and without recourse. Any notice period is with the employer agency, not Norwegian. Additionally, contracts may contain a clause indemnifying the agency from any obligation, including a notice period, due to action by its client airline. This arrangement or scheme permits Norwegian to circumvent employment laws, labor rights and labor principles.

With the alleged expansion, now is the time for the Norwegian Pilot Group to be a force rather than a farce.

Unfortunately, in respect of pilot unity, it appears Norwegian’s long-haul pilots wish to separate from their short-haul colleagues. Compare the declarations from the respective websites:

https://nlhpa.org/public/news/pilot-association-founded-norwegian-long-haul-pilots

http://www.norwegianpilotgroup.com/

Apparently, the pilots are already divided, making any future conquering that much easier for Kjos.

I received an invite to do the online assessments again. Anyone else?

I understand that the deal is 3 years contract?
Then what ? Is Bondi correct in saying they return you to the agency ? Makes no sense. Or do you sign another 3 year deal?

I was asked to re submit the online tests. But once i told them i had already done them they , eventually, acknowledged that I didn't have to do again .

I applied 6 months ago lol . Jokers.

So far no one person has been offered a LGW contract. Period.

Highfive; I don't really understand. You write that no one got a LGW contract so far? About 150 Norwegian B787 pilots are on a LGW contract. The rest of them in BKK.

After three years you'll get offered a permanent contract with OSM Aviation.

It has been discussed here before if you must do the online tests twice. I suggest you read the invitation more careful where it should clearly say that if you have done the tests within a year you don't have to do them again. Quite simple.

The Norwegian guys employed are already in Norwegian. Im talking about new joining that are not currently employed by Norwegian wether Sh or LH.

Wonder what the reason is they dont send out the thanks but no thanks letter? Guess many are looking but not so serious as to leave EK when push comes to shove.

The layover hotels are only 3 Star. The crews are all asian gals. Good luck with those Asian night stops ;)

What the hell are you talking about ?
The crews are not all ' Asian gals '. We have crew bases in America and gatwick as well.

As for night stops in Asia ( that's just bkk ) , the bkk crew go home strangely enough.....

Time to command
 

Hi guys,
How long does it take to get in line for the CPT upgrade starting as FO with long haul experience in the past?

Thank you

Past experience, however relevant, seems largely irrelevant wrt speed of upgrade. If you join as an FO, you can bank on at least three years stuck as FO, then cruise capt for x more years. Yes, big expansion, but the limited training resources will be dedicated to feeding in direct entry Capts and PICCs. Terrible "bond" arrangement too. Best way in is to grab a handful of widebody command somewhere (eg A300 or 767) then join as a full Captain.

According latest info from ppjn, 787 typerating is now payed by norwegian but you are bonded two years..
Isn’t that diffrent from previous (ie bank guarantee produced by applicant and bond payed back after three years?)

No - I believe its worse than that (unless its changed very recently) - They expect you to take out a loan in your own account, for 30k(?) which you pay to them up front, and they pay back to you 10k every year for 3 years. So the interest is your loss.

I looked into this recently as a DECC and after 5mins on the phone my thoughts were F*** that!!!

The bond required was a pain in the hole going to the bank for. The pay less than I am on now. And the base not 100% as probably be in Norway a lot of the time. Plus cost of housing down there was another sod that.

Ill be giving it a big miss. Thanks but no thanks. Its an offer good enough to miss

Oh i guess let's say, 6 years at least to stay in the queue to have the upgrade.
I am considering Norwegian just to come back in Europe after period in Asia who maked me mad. at the same time I have maked my family.

I have also Ryanair to consider but I already know that in few years, even after getting cpt position, will be thirsty of long haul adventures.

The money is a bit less so I prefer the plastic dream.
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How long does the Type Rating course last, converting from the B757/767?

I thought they'd stopped recruiting cruise Captains but from the emails I've been receiving they've started again? I'd this because of the "big expansion"?

So what if..
 

So what if you join as a Relief Captain do you log the time as PIC or same as F/O PICUS..?:ooh:

Thats the question. Being stuck on the right seat for years while DEC etc are passing you all the time is probably the correct answer. Once they get you in i think nobody gives a smallest thought about your career progression after that. I am talking in general now. Too risky for the bananas they are offering.

Your not talking in general, your talking bollocks northern driver.

There has been massive upgrading of all ranks .period

With the large amount of aircraft coming everyone who is eligible will get their chance.

I don't understand the constant ' when will I get promoted ' lines. If you joined BA or virgin you'd have to wait decades. If you join and it's less than that you should be pleased.

I seriously hope our selection process is still working

fade "talking bollocks".......

Unlike BA or Virgin you do not "join' Norwegian, you join an employer agency. Your services are rented to Norwegian similar to contracted cleaning staff.

Although you may indeed wait years for upgrade at BA or Virgin, you will gain seniority, pension, benefits and, most importantly, have all the employment law, labor rights and labor principles of a direct employment relationship. Notwithstanding, union representation and collective agreement with your airline employer.

On upgrading: "everyone who is eligible will get their chance"

Does your agency employment contract provide for any seniority system with the lessee airline, Norwegian? - Answer: No it does not.

"I seriously hope our selection process is still working"

Is that the selection process which assesses if the applicant has enough funds to pay for their training?

Yes, bondi, we get it ( series of 1000).

We work for an agency, that's unlikely to change.

There is a seniority list in Norwegian, we are on it.

You'd be surprised the % that do not pass the selection .

I'm still trying to work out what your interest is, other than someone with too much time on their hands......please give it a rest. We' be heard you argue the same point dozens of times.