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Not sure if by "commute" you mean by road or by flight.

If it's by flight then be aware ( if you weren't from previous posts here ) that the current management regime have got into the habit of on occasions running audits on the commuting patterns of those who travel to/from base by air.

They have paid particular interest to the days and timing of flights and time available for rest at base prior to duty.

Is it feasible to commute from central London using public transport on a junior SH roster at LHR? I don't have a car and wasn't planning on buying one.

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Originally Posted by Percula (Post 10627554)

Is it feasible to commute from central London using public transport on a junior SH roster at LHR? I don't have a car and wasn't planning on buying one.

Just use AddisonLee - most others do........

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Originally Posted by Barcli (Post 10627560)

Just use AddisonLee - most others do........

For every morning flight? That must add up.

It does seem, if the cost and time involved in the commute to Heathrow is factored in, the already underwhelming salary at the bottom rungs, looks even more uncompetitive.

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Originally Posted by Percula (Post 10627566)

For every morning flight? That must add up.

Peanuts when you have to " commute" from Chelsea

It's very straightforward to commute from Central London. Heathrow workers get a 50% (pretty sure it's 50% but either way it's heavily discounted) on the Heathrow Express. You've also got the tube and the "TFL Train" which used to be known as Heathrow Connect. Plenty of people do it on short and long haul.

I'm in Zone 1 so it's normally around an hour. The only issue is that none of the public transport is running in time to make the first SH report (which looks to be around 05:20).

I'll figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Percula (Post 10627782)

Bath road travelodge circa 32 quid a night with airline discount on the odd trip you get an early for... you can either then catch the airport shuttle for a few quid or have a walk up to the nearest bus stop where the company shuttle operates from. 👍

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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser (Post 10627596)

It does seem, if the cost and time involved in the commute to Heathrow is factored in, the already underwhelming salary at the bottom rungs, looks even more uncompetitive.

Bear in mind the rungs are about to get a 7.5% increase (along with allowances), but yes, they're still uncompetitive.

For anyone who spends any portion of their journey on the M25: double the non-traffic time and if the result is too unpalatable, I'd suggest you'll probably struggle. It's also worth considering that as a new joiner you'll have absolutely no rostering consistency - they'll gladly transition you from lates to earlies (or visa versa) as many times as they please throughout the month, often with only one "day off" inbetween. It's pretty hideous stuff, particularly from a commuting perspective.

If you have other options with similar pay I'd seriously consider them. If it were me I'd probably see BA short haul more as one of the last resorts now.

Does anyone know what the part-time options are in BA? Are they quite easy to get or does one have to wait a few years. Cheers!

Getting one of the "Aspirational" Part Time contracts ( as in simply wanting like more time off/doing less work) seems recently to have become increasingly difficult, if not almost impossible to get . There are two versions of Aspirational - either 58%, which very roughly speaking a full time month, followed by a part time month in which you need to do enough work to keep recency, or 72% where you do two full time months followed by a part time month....

Getting "Right to Request" (where I think you supposedly need a case for going part time, such as helping to care for dependents) - don't know about availability and I think there are a lot of variations in the pattern so I'll leave somebody more familiar with that to fill in the details.

Right to request (RTR) part time is either 75% or 50% and works 3 weeks on then one week off, or two weeks on and two weeks off.

Several years ago, it was determined to be illegal to discriminate between someone just wanting more time off for whatever reason, and someone wanting more time off for childcare or what have you. BA have indeed given right to request part time to people who have no childcare or other caring roles, and the reason for the request was given as “I’m working too hard”. Saying that, part time is considered on an order of application basis, and granted or rejected case by case. There is often a long wait of about a year from date of request to actually working part time, in order to fit in around the needs of the business. Requests are often rejected outright, and some requests for RTR part time are granted on a purely temporary basis.

At the moment, you can get back from a trip on the last day of your available days, and the industrial or EASA required days off are within your unpaid part time days off. (The cabin crew have to have their industrial/EASA days off contained within their available to work days for both part time and leave, whereas the pilots have never had that). Pilots do have wrap days attached to leave, which may have been designed to account for that, but they do not currently exist attached to part time days off). BALPA have apparently compared part time rosters and full time rosters and determined that typically, part time pilots are working harder than their adjusted full time equivalents. ie a 75%RTR pilot is doing more than 75% of a full time pilot’s workload. However recent legal findings elsewhere suggest this might need to change.

With all of the above in mind, a request for part time does not require seniority, and your request will not be rejected simply because you are junior. That being said, whether junior or senior, you cannot assume your request will be granted.

Numbers are randomly allocated.

It it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory.

Two TC friends recent simulator,one has 350 and the other 777 in February

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Originally Posted by Jwscud (Post 10632394)

it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory.

Totally agree Jwscud, now the older people are being discriminated against when they end up junior to someone X years younger than them who will thus be ahead of them in career progression for the entirety of their career however, if the roles were reversed, the younger pilot would have X years not even worrying about the older guy because they’ve retired from the MSL. If it’s a discrimination issue I fail to see how that’s not been raised.

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Originally Posted by Jwscud (Post 10632394)

Numbers are randomly allocated.

It it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory.

Names out of a hat. Done by the recruitment team prior to joining. I thought it would be more fun to do it when you arrived day one at Waterside!

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Names out of a hat. Done by the recruitment team prior to joining. I thought it would be more fun to do it when you arrived day one at Waterside!

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Would you be able to know who was higher?

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Originally Posted by Phantom4 (Post 10632906)

Two TC friends recent simulator,one has 350 and the other 777 in February

That’s promising! Does anyone else have more updates on start dates? 🏊*♂️

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Originally Posted by anson harris (Post 10627754)

Having commuted from central london for 8 years on shorthaul i'd definitely not recommend it. Really starts to piss you off as for the earliest reports you can't get to T5 unless you either get a taxi or 18,000 buses!