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Jumbo2 21st October 2019 06:19

Hi Xavier999,
There are lots of non UK nationals flying for BA. The experience they had when they joined ranged from straight out of flight school to training captains elsewhere before they joined and everything in between.

I would personally strongly advise against joining Cityflyer in order to join BA. You waste 2 years at least while there is absolutely not advantage of applying from Cityflyer to BA. The only benefit is that from Cityflyer you get a guaranteed invitation if you apply vs you have to put in some effort to answer the application (give an example of...) questions properly, but other then that it doesn't really increase your changes of getting in dramatically.

hans brinker 21st October 2019 06:27


Originally Posted by Xavier999 (Post 10599379)


Yes, all of them. I have an EASA one of course. I have still slots available for the direct entry on the mainline.

I would like to know if they like profiles like mine, foreign pilot with not so much experience

Thank to everyone that will answer.
BA it’s my dream

Good for you, sorry, shouldn't have assumed you didn't know basic requirements. Go for it, hope it works (I will stay at NK).

BitMoreRightRudder 22nd October 2019 07:31


BA it’s my dream
Haven’t heard that for a long time.

VJW 22nd October 2019 08:00


Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder (Post 10600406)


Haven’t heard that for a long time.

Don’t work in their recruitment I see ;)

Granzer291 22nd October 2019 17:11

Hello guys,

From the latest rumour (which I am sure would be discussed here)...
Maybe start dates for the 1st quarter of 2020 for people in the pool
I don't know if this means starting in Q1 or physically getting a date to turn up in Q1...
Any insight on how these last few months work at BA before the sudden rush to hunt Pilots would be nice? :)

Cheers!

Jwscud 22nd October 2019 20:15

Every year they run a number of antiquated and tetchy computer programs to determine how many pilots each fleet and seat needs, and process expected retirements, and internal bids for fleet and seat moves. Every time they think they have a solution, somebody changes the flying plan for next year. This requires a complete re-run, re-plan &c. Once the plan is complete, it needs approval. Finance may elect to trim the plan again, requiring another cycle or two of the above.

Only once this merry go round has ended do they have a plan for what is required, and the pilots get annual bid results. They also know how many new recruits they need, and in what fleets. They may have enough of an inkling before this is all over to make some offers for Jan/Feb but the vast majority of offers are likely to be held back until this process is complete. Last year it was late November...

3Greens 22nd October 2019 21:21


Originally Posted by Jwscud (Post 10600941)
Every year they run a number of antiquated and tetchy computer programs to determine how many pilots each fleet and seat needs, and process expected retirements, and internal bids for fleet and seat moves. Every time they think they have a solution, somebody changes the flying plan for next year. This requires a complete re-run, re-plan &c. Once the plan is complete, it needs approval. Finance may elect to trim the plan again, requiring another cycle or two of the above.

Only once this merry go round has ended do they have a plan for what is required, and the pilots get annual bid results. They also know how many new recruits they need, and in what fleets. They may have enough of an inkling before this is all over to make some offers for Jan/Feb but the vast majority of offers are likely to be held back until this process is complete. Last year it was late November...

not helped by the constant over promising and under delivering nature of the head of manpower planning. Seems to be a tad out of his depth.

bylgw 23rd October 2019 09:20

The only surety is the result is never correct/enough

Safety_ 23rd October 2019 09:30


Originally Posted by Jwscud (Post 10600941)
Every year they run a number of antiquated and tetchy computer programs to determine how many pilots each fleet and seat needs, and process expected retirements, and internal bids for fleet and seat moves. Every time they think they have a solution, somebody changes the flying plan for next year. This requires a complete re-run, re-plan &c. Once the plan is complete, it needs approval. Finance may elect to trim the plan again, requiring another cycle or two of the above.

Only once this merry go round has ended do they have a plan for what is required, and the pilots get annual bid results. They also know how many new recruits they need, and in what fleets. They may have enough of an inkling before this is all over to make some offers for Jan/Feb but the vast majority of offers are likely to be held back until this process is complete. Last year it was late November...


Thanks for the Info!
So I guess Pilots finding out results of their Bidding approvals is an indication that there will be some movement in the Pool? I presume they must give at least 3 months notice (or whichever one is required)... Nov end info would make it... March end start? Or am I wrong to say that? Any insight as to how many Pilots they need? (Similar to last year?)

Twiglet1 23rd October 2019 14:23


Originally Posted by Jwscud (Post 10600941)
Every year they run a number of antiquated and tetchy computer programs to determine how many pilots each fleet and seat needs, and process expected retirements, and internal bids for fleet and seat moves. Every time they think they have a solution, somebody changes the flying plan for next year. This requires a complete re-run, re-plan &c. Once the plan is complete, it needs approval. Finance may elect to trim the plan again, requiring another cycle or two of the above.

Only once this merry go round has ended do they have a plan for what is required, and the pilots get annual bid results. They also know how many new recruits they need, and in what fleets. They may have enough of an inkling before this is all over to make some offers for Jan/Feb but the vast majority of offers are likely to be held back until this process is complete. Last year it was late November...



You missed the final and most important ingredient - the finger in the air to see which the wind is blowing.....I last got budgeted crew numbers in 1992. You Nigel's are an expensive commodity so any tweaks that can be done will be done - probably not in 1992 - but these days - unlucky

DelhiBound 23rd October 2019 23:45

Anyone through to Stage 3 and hoping to get in a bit of sim practice, preferably South of England, but happy to travel if needed?
Still waiting for release of slot dates, but hoping to get some prep in sooner than later.
Please PM me. Looking to share the cost, as well as buddy up with someone on this.

Percula 1st November 2019 13:13

Has anyone in the hold pool been called for a start date yet?

SissySkinner 4th November 2019 10:24


Originally Posted by Percula (Post 10608309)
Has anyone in the hold pool been called for a start date yet?


Nope and I haven’t heard of anyone else getting one either. All seems very quiet still

Jock Trapped 4th November 2019 11:22

Bizarrely it’s reassuring to know that other swimmers aren’t hearing anything either.

Nothing here, likewise for a colleague at my current place on a similar timeline. We’re both required to give 3 months notice which I guess is industry standard. It’d be nice to at least get a generic “we haven’t forgotten about you” a bit more often!!

Barcli 4th November 2019 11:39


Originally Posted by Jock Trapped (Post 10610511)
Bizarrely it’s reassuring to know that other swimmers aren’t hearing anything either.

Nothing here, likewise for a colleague at my current place on a similar timeline. We’re both required to give 3 months notice which I guess is industry standard. It’d be nice to at least get a generic “we haven’t forgotten about you” a bit more often!!

What , like a personal touch ?

Jock Trapped 4th November 2019 11:52


Originally Posted by Barcli (Post 10610530)
What , like a personal touch ?

Fair enough, perhaps that’s a bit too optimistic!

Jwscud 4th November 2019 19:16

Given that the manpower planning team have been pretty much under emcon internally for weeks, no great surprise I’m afraid.

Granzer291 5th November 2019 18:06

Pool
 
Well, let's hope we hear soon!

thetimesreader84 6th November 2019 06:53

I’ve heard from a pretty good source BA are planning to take 300-450 next year (the high number is what P&P need to make the plan work, the low number is what finance will pay for). 2/3rds of them will be Shorthaul, the balance (about 80-100 depending on which number you use) will be longhaul. Also potentially a resumption of FPP too.

Good luck, swimmers. It’s not all bad when you get here, despite what some might have you believe.


TheAirMission 6th November 2019 07:39

They just accepted a bunch from Oxford academy this week. Interview/Maths/Verbal/Group Ex all last week in one day, acceptance emails out this week.


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