Hopefully soon Retrojet but the new flight ops manpower department seem to like saying they'll give updates which never turn up on time.

Min 30 Direct Entry onto the 787 this year.

80 new FPPs who have already started to filter into the training system
200DEPs to be recruited with airbus type ratings first.
No DE longhaul until airbus requirements filled or pool of type rated airbus drys up!
As for next year, it’s anyone’s guess, as with this year and with previous years its all reactionary. They do not seem plan for more than 12 months ahead.
However pilot numbers in 2019 are expected to exceed 5K. (Currently about 4100+) :ok:

TRE who did my recent sim said trainers had been told at a recent meeting we need to recruit at least 300 this year. This was without having factoring the Monarch LGW slots. Training managament had also advised we are becoming very short of F/o's on long haul. Factor in the announced expansion of long haul and the deployment of people later in the year for the arrival of the 350.... Seems like it's all about to kick off again!

I realise you could still make an argument for it being “mid January”, but has anyone had the promised update from recruitment?

Nope not yet I hope it is going to come next week, they were even talking about another web conference so will see

Who gave you that information?

They're waiting on an update from network planning regarding the Monarch slots and the 787 fiasco before announcing anything, but that doesn't mean to say any of the above is true.

Highly unlikely to be the case. Due...
Any internal bidders for RHS LH who are unfrozen, will likely be 'released' at some point in the training year, as fast as FPPs/recruits can replace them. That won't be sufficiently quickly to satisfy the LH training sausage machine.

Which is why...
(As long as they get the Tupperware jet fixed!) is quite likely to be an underestimate.

If 'today's' plan runs it's course!

There's already been 747 and 777 DEP recruitment over the last few weeks

777? We were told about 4 x 747s back in December has there been more since?..how many taken onto the 777?

Mate of mine who is probably on here somewhere was called for 777 couple days ago.

Yammer has just confirmed 10 777 offers so far! Glad to see things are beginning to move!

... and NO 787 DEP!

Was that expected?

Anyone know if any A320 LGW or LHR offers have been given yet?

Yes they have. LGW.

Great news....any idea how many?

Isn't it funny how PPRUNE is the last to know what is really going on:E

I presume the 320 offers mentioned above were to FPP cadets and not DEP.

There have been DEP offers as well as FPP’s onto the Airbus

I know people in low places and dark corners but PPrune seems to know before me and most of the time before BA too.

Bex88

The point I was making is that the offers etc had been out for a number of weeks but that those in the know had elected to keep stum. PPRUNE is not the font of all things aviation.

Does anyone know how many a320 offers went out.....any other offers made?

As was mentioned by others a few posts back, defo a handful of offers for the triple, and I think a few for the 744.

As someone on the 744 in BA, we're definitely short of FOs...loads of uncovered work and the caps are high!

As someone on the 320 in BA, we're definitely short of FOs...loads of uncovered work and the caps are high (5 hours above normal cap)!

60+ are leaving the fleet in the first quarter heading to long haul fleets and are in training at the moment.

FOs on long term sick, FOs dossing about giving power point presentations on JSS whilst the rest of us work our asses off, the CAPs will always be high.

Student88 😂 the JSS bit...love it so true

One in particular!

With a guess of around 600 FOs SH at LHR, a reduction of 7 FOs for JSS training brings a CAP of 90 hours to 91 hours. I can see why you're working a lot harder. Poor you!

I’ll admit to sometimes wondering about some of the reps time, but before chucking brickbats I suppose someone has to ask: have those doing the JSS training been pulled off line to do so or are they just doing the “job” in their normal BALPA days but are visible for once.

FWIW there’s at least one Longhaul C status list where CAP is well above normal and I somehow doubt that is down to individuals getting involved in JSS training.....

Basically everybody on a fleet with working engines seems to be pretty busy....:E

Actually the rosters for March are pretty :mad:. CAP is 93:11 for FO's on the Airbus. Out of 307 trip lines only 11 of them will be sufficient for me to reach CAP. If this is March, what's the summer going to look like.

Would be great to see new guys coming in.

Obviously it's not the 7(?) guys out of the 479 FO's leading to the high CAP. It's the many people being promoted to LH or Captain (fantastic news btw). If I would run the show I would start at the bottom and make sure we have enough FO's on the Airbus before people leave the fleet, but I guess the beancounters don't want to have 10 FO's too many on a fleet...

Edit: Reading Wiggy's post, everyone seems to be working hard. Hope they get the recruitment machine up and running to the maximum.

Err....right, nice in theory, ideal world etc, but be very careful with that thought.

The 7 JSS trainers do about half their CAPs with Ground Days, either writing material or doing presentations, etc. So in fact it's 3.5 FOs worth of available FOs that have been taken away from the 320. None of them are BALPA reps. Normal line FOs who applied for the job.

Ah OK, I haven’t been in a position to actually attend one of these sessions so far but I stupidly assumed (yes I know) they were reps so many thanks for clearing that up.

Writing material? Like stand up comedy?

Must be nice collecting all those Caffè Nerro stamps I guess.

Even a CAP increase of 1 hour can make the difference between having to pick up another day trip or not.

90 hours = 20 x 4.5 hr credit day trips, so 100-140 trips to be picked up by everyone else, so essentially 100-140 people with one or two less days off.

The only job for experienced pilots advertised on the BA website at the moment is for Cityflyer DECs.

:confused:

Err ...that’s no doubt true because of the FPPs arriving and the DEP hold pool

Expect some DEP 320 rated soon. They'll get as many 320 rated guys from the pool if possible to do a short typerating. Current holdpool non rated pilots might be surpassed by a new DEP round for rated guys/gals.

About 170 DEPs still in the holdpool. With the current plan all of those will get an offer in 2018. (Perhaps not on the position you have applied for (LH))

Horse's mouth