easySwiss is a different company with different Flight OPS and training management. Same SOPs tough as UK flight OPS is trying to get in slowly streamlined with their operating standards since years. No official base transfer between other countries established, only for FOs via LGW. This is not applicable for CAPTs. easySwiss operated under less restrive FTL many years before UK mainline introduced EASA.

Keep an eye on the easyJet pages. There will be a large requirement of crews (FO / CP) in Berlin and once they've interviewed the AB guys, recruitment will be opening up for all external applicants apparently.

Just checked today
They opened for dec based in berlin but only type rated

By their fruit you will recognize them
 

Air Berlin pilots were given interviews quickly. In the organization of subsequent simulator slots I could not detect any logical pattern, but in the early stages First Officers only had to complete a personality questionnaire in addition to the above to receive a job offer. I assume the success rate was too high so they changed the rules of the game on-the-fly and introduced some more online tests.

Here's to fair and equal treatment.

Hi all,
I'm in the talent pool since august, after interviews in July. I've not been called for any offer yet, but colleagues from the same selection have.
Do you guys know of anyone that has never been called during the allocated 12 months and his application for dismissed ?
If there was no direct entry on any of our 3 selected bases, would they propose an other base before our time runs out ? Merry Christmas to all

Can I presume you’re a FO?

I’ve been in the pool since end of sept for DEC. Two guys on my day got called a month or so before I did having found out they passed two weeks after me. Another guy got called a week before me having passed a month after. I’m not sure of the logic or order, but what I will say is they are always extremely friendly if you call. My advice is call them for an update. I imagine they’re simply processing Captains first at the moment and air Berlin and monarch have slowed things down for us non rated people. Give them a call and tell them about your flexibility around base preferences.

Training/recruitment are in the middle of the biggest recruitment drive in the history of the company.
They were supposed to recruit about 400 pilots for the year, which was already a record, and now with AB the number went up to 800.

Patience is the key.

When I joined a few years ago I passed the recruitment process in the August, and apart from being offered a Euro base that I didn’t want, I didn’t get a start date until the following February. Hang on in there as mentioned above the recruitment team are incredibly busy.

Another LCC scam
 

Is this a joke? Because it made me laugh and made me feel much better about my job even though I’m away for Christmas. Translation we can’t find enough rated Captains so we are going to try our luck with naive FR pilots who are used to being short changed. Offering to take 30k out of your “net” salary and act like they are doing you a favour, even some of the worlds worst airlines give you a 3-5 year bond for the type rating. I thought Ryanair were bad. Don’t forget after 3 years you won’t be 737 rated anymore under EASAs new rules and will have to pay another 30k to go back to your 737 job. Unless you want to spend time and money keeping current every year. I think I’ll get into the TRTO business like Easyjet if experienced pilots are now this stupid. Very insulting!The race to the bottom continues

https://careers.easyjet.com/reclaimi...o-type-rating/

As a FR captain shortly to be joining Easy via this method, I can confirm that even with this amount coming out of my net salary, the pay at Easy is so significantly better than FR - I’ll be getting paid at least what I make at FR while these repayments are being made. My TOTAL pay at FR (prior to these naff short term pay increases) is about £10k gross a year less than EasyJet’s BASIC salary...

Additionally, I’ve been in the BA holdpool for over a year. Firstly they won’t call me any time soon, and even if they did the will only pay me if I’m lucky £70k total for the first year. Around £50k less than EasyJet will pay me in the first year - a company who has actually called me from the holdpool. Does it matter to me if EasyJet take £7k/year net from me for 3 years? BA would give me a ‘free type rating’ with a total of £150k less earnings in those three years.

Captain Jim needs to crunch some numbers a bit more I think before he calls any FR Captains naive for going to EasyJet.

Suggesting even remotely that FR is better than Easy has me thinking you need to lay off the mulled wine.

VJW,

Whether or not eJ pay more than Ryanair isn’t the point. You’re an experienced captain moving to a huge airline that could easily pay for your rating and bond you.

There is a serious shortage of quality captains currently, yet paying for a rating - either up front, or through wages being docked - is still alive and well. It surprises me that people think it’s acceptable.

This “deal” isn’t a demonstration of how good terms and conditions at eJ may be, rather one of just how dire Ryanair is in my mind.

It is the point I’m afraid, and luckily us naive FR pilots don’t need to ask pprune memebers prior to making our decision.

You’re correct my point isn’t trying to say that EasyJet is amazing, of course there’s better out there. However wanting to be based in LGW and going as a DEC I’d be interested in hearing what other options I have.

Again paying for the rating is obviously something no one wants to do, but I reiterate, I’m not going to China/Middle East just to get a free one, when I won’t even notice I’ve paid for one here...

Most of the companies paying for rating, in the US as well, have a 1st year salary that is very low compared to year 2.
Officially you don't pay for the rating, but in real terms you do.

Example?

Very rough numbers: Southwest pay a 1st year FO 79 dollars per hour. Lets make 75 guaranteed hours per month times 12: 71100.
Second year is 115 usd per hour, for a total of 103500. Difference of 32400 usd.

Same for many other. Who pays for the rating then?

VJW,

Did you have to pay for your rating at Ryanair and at easy? That in itself is a major problem, as it perpetuates an acceptable norm.

I suppose you wouldn’t pay your rating at BA. And you’d get your Gatwick base - albeit it as an FO. But you probably know that already.

Anyhow, if you think it’s worth doing, that’s up to you. I suspect that it’s not - neither short, nor long term.

So everytime you move Airlines in your career you just accept to pay for a new type and lose your previous ratings?

easy pay more but also work more as they don’t have 5/4 in most bases as I understand. However a stby duty sitting at home isn’t a big deal to be fair if that’s the case.

Good point about SWA except a 12 year Captain there gets paid at least 50% more than EasyJet with a lot less tax and better benefits.

Job Knockey - yes I explained in my post above why I wouldn’t go to BA now as a FO even though they would offer a free rating.

Ratings in RYR are free are they? The basic salary is reduced by £5k a year for 5 years - least the rating is ‘free’ though :/

In EasyJet I’m not having to pay upfront for a rating and the pay there has gone up by £7k gross a year in the time since I applied.

All I hear is the same old arguments.

People think free type ratings is the most important thing when making decisions.

Two cadets join the industry. One a BA cadet who has to go through CTC to join. The other (myself) went modular and self studied and funded their studies while working full time. At the end of their courses they both had the same licence printed. One owed Mum and Dad £120k and joined BA with a free type rating, the other spent their own £45k on the modular route and then had to fund a £30k type rating- as the same opportunities weren’t available to the modular student.

What world are we living in where you only judge how good an airline is on whether they pay form the type rating or not.

What’s naive is assuming someone like myself isn’t making the best possible decision for my family and I when an opportunity presents itself.

VJW

It wasn’t personal and I wish you all the best. Im just trying to point out that over a potential 30-40 year Euro LCC career that these little things really start to add up if you change carriers a few times and EASA has left us little wiggle room with regards keeping our previous ratings current. I think we’ve met before btw.

Just curious I don’t suppose Easyjet have ID90s on other airlines? Do you get full basic salary during training?

Jim- yes we may well have met, the name rings a bell :)

While it might not have meant to be personal, it certainly felt it when reading your comment and realised that along with many friends of mine, you were also talking about me at this very juncture in my career. I'm not planning on moving again after this move, and to be honest why does someone in EJ need to worry about an expiring 737 rating?

I'm aware of what you're pointing out too, but having a go a FR Captains trying to better themselves (from day one at Easy my net pay (with the type rating fee deducted) along with a far nicer company culture and much improved T&C's is so much better than FR) - why would I sit and wait in FR until a better offer comes along. As I've said I've been in the BA pool for well over a year too. I personally don't see any better DEC jobs in London happening any time soon, do you? - with Monarch and Air Berlin going bankrupt while I waited the outcome of my assessment, I count myself somewhat fortunate they're still calling NTR people.

I don't believe Easy have access to ID90's in other airlines, but I've been on a friends Easyjet staff travel for a few years and used it to commute to my previous base. It was an excellent perk, one FR could provide but don't. I get as a FR direct employee - 6 SBY tickets a year, contractors which make up 50% of the workforce get nothing. EJ you have 4 names on your list where you can change them up to 20 times a year and these people can book and unlimited amount of discounted confirmed tickets that are on staff travel. And yes we get full basic pay during type rating and overnight allowance. I know someone currently on their type rating making the same salary on that course with EJ as I'm making flying for FR...

Although you can, occasionally, book confirmed staff travel tickets, you will be offloaded if the flight gets overbooked.
When I was a new captain, I was on 90% basic for the first year, I don’t think that has changed.

It has changed, have had that confirmed in writing, full pay from the get go. Would be hard even for me to argue that one on here- pay for the rating through your salary AND take 90% salary for first 6 months...90% salary is only for internal upgrades, can I assume that's what you were? It's full pay for DEC's.

What you say about the Staff travel tickets is correct. Two years commuting with EJ on a weekly basis this never happened to me though, saying that I was taking a route which had between 3-5 daily flights.