well crew night in crawley is always an eventful evening! Makes sense with the commuting links.
Well hopefully with all the expansion more spaces will open up and local guys may get a look in too!!

Heard a doubling of the base within the next year (not to mention the addition of the "plastic fantastic" ) so anyone looking to get tr@shed in Crawley (I remember my Summer contract with Excel in 2002 with some fondness ;) ) should have their wishes fulfilled sooner than later :ok:

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Sounds pretty good regarding gatwick! I hope to end up here myself after doing 6 months in BGO. It does seems like everybody is going to be based in TFS for at least a winter, so we will see.

Does anyone know what to expect on a K-contract Salary? And that's Gross and net both!

I have the figures from the contract, but another thing is reality (Actual Per diems etc.)

Personally speaking, and for most people I've spoken to, the 5/4 trial in LGW has been very successful. I hope that it will continue until a permanent fixed pattern is assigned.

:ok:

Any one knows how is the process when do you start as FO??

The onlything I know is starting on March 24 the OCC, after that no ideas what to expect....

What are the chances to be base in Spain???

Thanks a lot.

Liveview, Madrid is opening in early June so i would think there is a good chance of getting a Spanish base.

Hi guys!

I've seen ARPI is asking for 6000 hours whereas NAS asks for just 5000 on their website. Anybody knows why such a difference?

What u think the chances are to be hired with just 500 hours 737 PIC but over 5000 on type?

Thanks!

DC8 obviously the more experienced guys they can hire, the better for them (like anywhere) Initial application is made through Norwegian & each course is hired through one of 3 agencies, I would say the NAS requirements are what you have to believe, as you may be hired in any case through Confair/PARC.

liveview , we have bases in BCN/MAD/ALC/AGP/TFS/LPA + LGW/HEL for Contractors, so. . . . how would you assess your chances of a Spanish base :rolleyes:


You may find that most of your 1st 6mths in NAS is spent in Scandilands to cover OCC/Sim /L Tng but I would say the chance of a Spanish base at the end of it is "not unlikely".

Thanks for the reply... It is exactly what I have heard, but you never know, in my previous company with more bases in Spain I did not have any luck...

Good to know they tray to make people happy.

Thanks captps. I was wondering if anyone has been hired with minimum PIC time. I'm trying to make up my mind wether I should apply with just 500 hours or wait till I get close to 1000 PIC. Lets see... :)

DC-8

No harm in applying. They are flexible to some extent for the right candidates. Even if you don't have the exact hours now, by the time the assessment process takes place and you're allocated a conversion course etc. you'll be even closer to those hours anyway.

Good luck!

:ok:

Does anybody know the NET figures for a Captain based in Spain? From my calculations would be around 6000 net.

Could anyone confirm this?

Happy 2014!

Depends whether you pay the "Beckam tax" ( 24.75% AFAIK on all income for non residents ) or normal Spanish tax. In the latter case it will depend if you are married/kids etc etc. I believe most are taking around 7000€ after deductions including block hr payment etc.

Thanks for your reply captplaystation!

That 7000 would be without claiming kids/mortgage etc?

Well, according to the contract they've sent me.
Basic salary + flight allowance is taxeable
Flight pay + telephone is not

Can anyone confirm this? Also could you let me know how is the flight pay calculated. I understand is 17€ block hours but is it actual block hour flown or scheduled block hour. Are they generous? Do you get 1hour before flight as well?

As for LTC is an extra 22€ per hour but as I see it only when training. Is it correct?

Unfortunately the questions being asked about tax are repetitive. Sadly this is a Pilot forum not an accountant or tax advisor forum. Each country will be different and each individual will be different depending on family size/status etc etc etc. Tax is individual and costly if you have the incorrect advice.

My suggestion is go and pay the fees you need to get professional tax advice and don't make the same mistakes at NAS that were made by Ryanair Pilots which are now resulting in home raids and tax bills in various countries across Europe. Hopefully the large amount of guys moving across from Ryanair have learnt their mistakes and will do things correct this time, rather then sit around waiting for all the answers delivered on a plate while doing nothing to help themselves.

Sorry if that is overly blunt. The gross figures are no secret but we have no input into your net figures - some guys can't claim expenses, others have creative accountants, others are on non-resident tax schemes, some even claim they are sole traders despite what it being clearly stated in their contract their are employees. The point is everyone is different and information on this forum is either individual specific or complete guesswork.

If one really wants ball park figures there options. Take the gross figures, which are no secret and use the calculators online for each country which allow you to enter your gross earnings and family status. I have found and used good calculators for Spain and the UK.

This is a very useful thread for information about NAS. :) Don't let it derail into everyone asking what NET pay will you get in each base. If your already in the system talk with your agency.

Those weighing up moving from blue to red should also consider that money is not the only factor. You can not put a price on being treated like a human being.:ok:

jedy, think it is 25€/hr, and yes , only whilst training. Actual or scheduled ? appears to be scheduled, but some mths I cannot get it to add up, so seems (maybe ) if you take longer you get more ? but my calculator can't quite figure it out. No payment for 1hr before (report time) but 4 Blk Hrs paid per SBY.


widebody, I have tried to make the same point several times before, but no-one wants to believe me. . . we all have different circumstances & therefore the answer is "I have no idea".

Gross I know exactly , net ? you tell me.

Once again, Captplaystation many thanks for all your valuable information. I'm just trying to get all the possible information before making the right move. As we all said before everyone is different and have many different situations.
In my case it seems that I will loose a lot of money and the possibility of been based very far away from my family on a difficult roster to commute makes my personal decision very complicated.

Widebody: I know what I need to do, don't you worry about that. But still difficult to calculate your earnings with your accountant when there are some elements in the contract not so clear.
This is a pilot forum. If we don't talk about terms and conditions what else can we talk about. Maybe you can call me and we can go on about flaps and landing gears ... :O:O
And also are you sure you are getting treated like a rock star in there because you sound a little bit bitter and please stop bragging about your contract because it is really not that impressive.

Calm down calm down
 

Jedy

I think the point being made is that very few will come out with the same nett, but everyone will get the same gross subject to rank/hours flown/agency

Of course you not treated like a rock star, but you are treated with respect ! & especially by the crewing department, who unlike in so many companies don't think they own your life and understand that you have one, for many that will be enough!!

It's not like working for a low cost airline ( or flying with one from a passenger experience ) we routinely night stop in hotels provided and paid for by the company, you are provide with all the company logo ed luggage to do that.

Rosters vary from base to base, but for most days off are in good block.

If your a skipper work 650-700 hours plus ( in my case a day bought a quarter) then it's around € 125k or so GROSS

More importantly it's a pleasant place to work and money can't buy that

Given that the current Berlin we use is a tiny wee airport, I suspect they are waiting for the Germans to fix the "white elephant" before opening a Berlin base.

Oh BTW, well said widebdy, an accurate summary of the current status. . . . . .except your post has vanished as I type . . WTF ?

DEC interview and sim
 

Hi all,

Last update on screening:
no more MAP personality online test apparently.
Sim screening exactly as announced and straightforward: T/O eng running on RWY with 15kt Xwind, return for ILS raw data and land.
T/O with severe damage at V1, return for VOR app with A/P, go around then ILS eng out with FD no A/P to land.

Interview 45 min with 2 persons 1 from HR, 1 pilot with basic tech questions (Vmcg, V1, RVSM requirements, 738 limitations on APU, alt, Nb of spoilers, LDG hyd syst and transfer unit etc) and basic HR questions about your carreer and you as well as personal CRM cases exemples.

Very nice and efficient overall.

Good Luck

Is this something new?

No. Better than applying through PARC (CRAP) though! :0)

Thank you very much

If you are a contract captain I undestand that they can offer only a Core FO position????

I read to that if you take a core FO position you can take a leave of absence and remain as a contract captain.

Buy you can remain a Contract captain as much as you want???

The agreement with the Union is max 2 years on "leave of absence".

Current bunch of "Core FO's" on LOA will have used 12mths of their 24 mths basket after they spend some time up North on temporary core Command this Summer.

Therefore, I doubt if anyone can reliably answer what the future will bring until Summer 2015 . . . . finally NAS need Capts in left seat (not right) so no doubt some "acommodation" will be negotiated.

We have Core FO's who have been on "Temporary Command" - in core bases, NOT as Contractors (usually for 6mths at a time) for 4 years or more, so . . . . . . NAS do wish to use you as a Commander .

Let say I get a contract as a captain in a new base like madrid, after 2 years what happens? They offer me a core FO position in the north and use the leave to remain as a captain in that base but still under contract until a slot as a core captain is available? Or to remain as a captain in madrid I still need to be as contract captain?

Sorry to bother you but I worked in companies with full seniority or no seniority, but never in companies with both.

No you will work 2 years with the agency and then permanent employment in
the same base in the same seat. You can apply for a core position(Norway, Denmark,Sweden) but if you get one you will go on the bottom of the seniority list and therefore move to the right hand seat.

According to rumour, Core vacancies will no longer be offered after the two year agency contract. Outside of Scandi bases, we will all (allegedly) be offered permanent positions with NAS UK, NAS Finland, NAS Spain etc. according to our base. So, if you're a MAD based Captain, that's how you'll remain, no core FO position, no LOA etc.

Good if you're in the right base. Not so good if you want a Scandi base. Hopefully some core positions will be created by any (limited) expansion within those bases.

If I remember when I joined, there was never an offer of "Core Position" after a specified time period, basically if vacancies arose, you could bid if you wished. There were (if I remember ) 50 such vacancies in 2012 & 36 in 2013, a small percentage compared to the 300+ contractors joining in the period.

There were a bunch of guys & gals given "Temporary K area contracts" when they joined last Spring, it appears some of these may have been extended, so these folk effectively have a core contract (out of seniority). The justification given was that most line training for new entrants takes place in Scandilands where more short sectors are available, this however doesn't really justify these individuals being used in an ongoing fashion. More of these "new entrant K area contracts" will take place this year + the company has recently advertised "temporary Core FO positions" (don't know how many ) for which many Contract Capts applied in the hope they would have "temporary Core Capt" for Summer. . .a ploy that will probably work, as NAS can ill afford to have Capts languishing in the RHS.

It is a very complicated situation, and the NAS seniority list is quite something to behold. The root cause, of course, is the Unions desire to have everything done according to seniority, however, so many variations have taken place that the list is a "dogs dinner of convenience" heavily modified to take account of the fact that NAS need Capts in the LHS not RHS.

I would imagine it will continue like this as long as the expansion continues, or until a common seniority exists as agreed with the Union last Autumn.

As posted above, don't contemplate a core position if you join now, as you are several hundred places down a list that is not shrinking appreciably. What you will (or at least should ) be offered is a permanent position with a "wholly owned NAS subsidiary at your base" after 2 years (but note "extendable in exceptional circumstances to 3" . . .and it was in HEL ) however, as I stated in my post #23 in the Norwegian A320NEO thread , lets wait till March & see what HEL crew are offered & exactly what constitutes a "wholly owned subsidiary company" :hmm:

Tks 737 and capt. Know I undestand. Best wishes.

Assessment
 

Post #302 ( just a few up from this, so I hope you prepare better for your assesment than you do reading a thread) has all the info you need,
Very relaxed and they are not to bothered what sops you use,

Good luck

When I joined there was no Sim assessment Phew ! :rolleyes: others have posted details here though. If I remember correctly it was eng failure V1 /raw data dep/ single engine FD NPA (or ILS , can't remember) In the past there was some raw data (or at least non LNAV ) hold entries, which I am led to believe screwed a few people. If you trawl through all the recent NAS threads on here there is more info , as the above is just from memory.

The emphasis appears to be on good CRM / multi crew ops , obviously a good standard of handling, & familiarity with your bird. I have heard no horror stories & it appears if you perform to the level of a reasonable PC there should be no problems at that stage.

FO's don't usually have a sim check. Unless things have changed?

Last I heard (I think ) was Sim for FO unless you are ex RYR & then "you are excused" as NAS has great faith in their initial & recurrent training it seems.

Two more ex-colleagues 'rescued' today! Brilliant news for them... Sorry about the summer wet leasing Mickey ;) ha ha! You shall reap what you sow! :mad:

Ryanair first officers only have to do an interview. First Officers from any other airline are sim checked.

So guys/girls if im based in say AGP and want to get to say LPL how does the commuting work? Am I positioning AGP to scandi land then down to LPL or can I use my ID90 on say an easyjet and if so are these limited? Thanks in advance been on the search for a 73 job back in europe for a while not had much luck (although some my own fault)

Commuting from Spain is no better no worse than the LGW guys living elsewhere in the UK have to contend with. You could fly free with NAS from AGP to LGW, but the train home would cost an arm & a leg, even if there was one running at the appropriate time, &. . . if not LGW based, you will not have a car park pass so will have to spend a fortune on parking if you choose to drive in the atrocious UK traffic. Most Spanish based guys living in central/N England appear to use Ryanair/Easy/Thompson or whoever they can find flying close to home. You have the roster on the 16th of the mth, so are booking flights from 2 - 6 weeks ahead. My commute is costing me around 400-500€ /mth in tickets for a 3 hr flt.

As always, commuting is a choice, which most of us do as the lesser of 2 evils , in an attempt to reconcile home life/work. It is easy /free on NAS, but the lack of routes N of LGW in the UK doesn't help. That "may" change at some stage if the (vague) rumour of MCR/LPL comes to pass, but it is not a frequently mooted one (apart from the guys living there :D )