REMAX11 - I am not sure you have a wholly realistic view of what is achievable at easyJet. In my view it is a great job, but it does not offer all the benefits or protections of a national carrier. Among low cost companies, however, it is substantially better than any of the others to work for. The training standards are excellent and you fly well-maintained brand-new Airbuses around the place. The Rostering is pretty good and looks likely to get better. You will fly 900 hours a year, and that is hard work in anyone's book. The 'incremental pay' consists of a 5% of basic salary, payable each year after 2 years' service, rising to 10% after 5 years and 15% after 10 years.

The African Dude was right that no seniority exists as such - however, it effectively does for command selection. There are aspects of our command selection that are far from perfect. What gets you on the Command List is a 'CPI Date' - the date you get an interview with your pilot manager. That is dependent on when they can physically see you - normally that is only a couple of weeks' wait maximum. In the meantime, however, 4 other pilots can have seen their pilot managers at one of our 17 other bases and you have just lost those place in the queue. To be eligible to get on the Command List in the first place, you need 3,000 factored hours and must have had at least 2 acceptable sim rides in succession. You then approach your pilot manager to say you are ready to start the process and are allocated 3 training days with a Training Captain called 'Command Assessment Flights'. The wait for those flights can be many months due to Training Captain availability. Assuming they go ok, you are rostered a Command Assessment Simulator and associated interview. If you are going to fail the process, this is where you are likely to come unstuck. The sim is done over 4 hours with 2 candidates and consists of raw data flying, engine failures and a LOFT scenario. At the end, each candidate gets a 45-minute oral quiz/interview on anything that takes the TRE's fancy! It is pretty exhaustive, but once you are through it and have had your CPI interview, you go onto the Command List and wait your turn for a course in order of your place on the list. Once you get a Command Course (and passit, which is by no means guaranteed) you then have to go where the command slots are - usually Gatwick. As you might imagine, it can be a long wait to return to your home base (years in some cases), so you need to be aware of the way the system works. The transfer list, although transparent, is very contentious and there may be some changes to the system in the coming days.

Why tell everyone this? The whole reason for us recruiting high-houred FOs with Airbus experience is because we can see a time when we will run out of suitable command candidates with the correct experience. As I have tried to show, the command selection process at easyJet is rigorous, and inevitably there are failures. There is no certainty you will get the base you want initially as an FO, and if you do, you may have to wait a long time to return there once you are promoted. Also, command requirements can change very quickly. At the moment we can predict a big requirement for captains, but that may change if there is a big economic downturn. Coming to any new company is clearly a risk, and coming to easyJet is no exception. There are no absolute guarantees of anything, and all those on the outside looking in need to be aware of that. I genuinely believe easyJet is a top company, but it is not perfect and is unlikely to become so. We have a very good CEO, a real desire to engage with the pilots in a way that never previously happened here and as bright a future as any airline ever can. Offsetting that, our major shareholder Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannu (is that how you spell it?) is currently engaged in a tacky and damaging public confrontation with our Board, the prime purpose of which is the ending of our fleet expansion. If he succeeds, we may have a fraction of the number of commands we are currently planning for.

The essence of my long post is this - be sure you know what you are applying for, and make sure you have correctly assessed the risks versus the benefits. Here endeth the lesson.

A very accurate assessment Mr Meerkat.

My mate sent me this quote from the easyJet pilots' internal newspaper that came out today -

"With over 5 days remaining for A320 type rated pilots to apply on line I can advise that the response to this on line advert has been high. Almost 200 hundred pilots have already registered their interest so it is clear that there will be far more applicants than positions available. We have already started reviewing some of the applicants details and do not expect to have any difficulty in filling the number of places required. All successful pilots at application stage will be subject to the new easyJet 2 day assessment process.

Thomas Cook - Further to last week's announcement that Thomas Cook are removing 6 aircraft from their Fleet we are also in discussions with Thomas Cook management to see if we can offer any opportunities at easyJet for those pilots who will be displaced as a result of the A330s and A320s being removed from their fleet."

Interesting.

It was only ever for type rated pilots.

ADM has it spot on

I strongly disagree - I had high hopes and expectations of being an airline pilot and joining easyjet the job has surpassed them all. The job isn't for everyone and not everyone is for the job. What bad experience did you have and with which loco? When did you have it?

Ha ha ha ha. Too funny.

I work for a small AOC and have wanted to apply and join EZY for quite a few years. CTC / Oxford seems the only way in with their cadets and its a real shame those with a bit of experience like myself cannot get a crack at it and apply directly to them to get that break.

People I know have been waiting for years who are instructors, parachute dropping etc etc.

Its seems all about business relationships and a few of those larger cadet training organisations, protecting their products / business interest.

Turbine100 - I have every sympathy for your position and hope that one day soon there will be a sea-change at easyJet regarding recruitment. I personally feel embarrassed at our CTC/Oxford cartel which effectively prevents non-rated pilots, who were not trained by these schools, working for us. I came across an Oxford-trained pilot the other day who had a €195,000 debt after the type-rating - I don't know how they sleep in their bed at night! I have said that easyJet is a good company, and I stand by that view, but the whole 'flexicrew' issue is a disaster that BALPA should have been all over years ago. Whatever else comes out of 'Project Merlin', any proposals that permit the continued employment of contract Training Captains, and leave flexicrew pilots without permanent contracts, would invalidate the whole process for me. Time will tell.

any chance of a DEC with easy? (non type rated but 10000hrs TT with heavy Boeing time).

The demise of NSF's postings is proportional to the increase of Alexander the Meerkat's postings.

Is there something we should be told...!!!!;)

Pin head, no chance mate with so many capable Sfos waiting their chance..

€195,000!? How did they even spend that? They can sleep because it's probably not even their money to spend.

Pin Head - unfortunately not in the immediate future. Dependant on applications I guess for SFO positions over the next year or so.

I certainly don't see DEC at easyJet happening in the next couple of years at least.

As for those joining and expecting a quick command, it depends on your definition of quick! Certainly don't expect one within the next couple of years as there are presently over 250 SFO's who have at least started the command process which will most likely cover the LHS upgrades for 2012/2013. Some of those may decide to leave for BA etc but I doubt that would be more than 10%.

So, if 2 years for you is a quick upgrade (which I think it is) then come on over to the Orange side, if not then I think you will be disappointed.

Anyway, Good Luck to all those that do apply, I for one really like it here.

195,000 euros is indeed for the EPST guys/gals (essentially dutch), who send their cadets through Oxford+Type Rating. Close to what it would cost a normal Oxford student to get into easyJet under the OLD exchange rate.

Hi,
Eddie, just curious where you got the number of 250 waiting for command?
There are just over 70 on the waiting list as of 13th August and are there even 250 SFOs left in the company? At my medium size Uk base there are only 4 or 5 some of whom do not have the hours or do not wish to go for command.

FatFlyer, 70 on the command waiting list but they are the ones that have CPI'd, there are some 180 SFO's somwhere between pre-CPI and CPI.

Has anyone actually registered any interest? Did you get any confirmation they had received your email?

Any info regarding the assessment centre would be good as well! Thanks guys.

Sent the email to register last monday and got the confirmation email the day after.

If they only got 200 expressions of interest they will probably get even fewer actual applications, a significant number of which may not get through selection. Doesn't seem very many to me.

I registered a week ago and i got the answer one day later.

The only problem is that I applied event though i am not 320 rated.

I have 5500 hours A330/340

After the rated guys I hope to get the chance to be screened.........inshallah :ok:

Yes flareflyer, but you're a cpt with a very good experience and, as you know, 330/340 are very similar to a320, just a little bit more redundant in systems.

It should not be a factor for you

NG,

I really hope that EasyJet recruitment team thinks as you do!

:):D

hmm, I applied late Thurs evening and still haven't heard anything.....

ezy
 

Hiya guys,

I am one of those who swam in the easyjet pool for 2 years since 2008 and then been dumped by recruitment team "new policy".
Now I'd like to register my still current interest to this email address they are advertising but was wondering if could be a good or a bad idea to mention that I already successfully passed one of their interview in the past...
Any opinion about that?

my 2 cents
 

I would probably just play stupid and apply with a fresh sheet. When it comes to your previous assessment, which you have passed as you say, and they make a problem out of that (read: reject you), have they explain that in writing and then sue them for discrimination...

Why should it be a problem? I see it the contrary, you should have an advantage :)

AirbusPhp - I trust you are not applying to join us. Encouraging a future employee of easyJet to start litigation if he is unsuccessful really says a great deal about you, and indicates you are exactly who our selection process is trying to eliminate at the first hurdle.

airbuddy - First of all, may I strongly encourage you to reject the advice of AirbusPhp. Next, you are clearly someone who would appeal to easyJet or you would not have passed the previous selection. Whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened, that is history - move on and just see this as another opportunity to work for a company you would like to be with when it seemed like you were dead and buried. Like people who float around the BA hold pool, they have to go through the whole process again if they become 'time expired' - very frustrating, but it is what it is. I am not familiar with the latest application process, but if there is a bit somewhere that says, 'Why do you want to work for easyJet?', that could be a place to make reference to your previous success. What I would strongly recommend is that you show no sign of bitterness or annoyance at what is now spilt mik - no company wants employees with an axe to grind and we are no exception. What you need to remember is that you are in a completely different situation now and applying against different competition. We are clearly going to take the best people we can, and you have to be seen as that here and now - what you achieved in the past is all very good, but it is yesterday's news. I am sorry if I sound harsh, but I am just trying to prevent you from seeing your previous success as any sort of guide to what happens in the current process - it really is not and you should be fully aware this is a whole new deal. I hope that helps - very best of luck.

before i go
 

you think you know it all right?... I will not waste any more of my precious time reading this ignorant and assaulting bs you guys write here. My advice was serious. The company is acting against the law already in several areas of their employment strategies. The young guys just don't dare to drag them to court. They would win 100%, because their contracts are illegal in most countries. But anyway, before you attack me again personally... :yuk:

No, AirbusPhp, I most certainly do not know it all. I do, however, know all about easyJet - this would appear to put me at something of an advantage in this case. I would suggest my advice to airbuddy is the best I have - it is for him and the others reading this thread to know if my advice is worth taking on board. My discussions with you are not personal attacks - I know nothing about you. I do know that your advice is very poor to a potential employee and in the same way you are entitled to give it, I am entitled to say it is codswallop.

Regarding easyJet's employment practices, I am at a slight loss as to which illegal practices you are referring to - no, please do not tell me. I have made it clear that I do not like or agree with all that we do, but regarding the legalities I think you will find it is pretty water tight. Maybe you can get a job here and then sue us to find out if you were right or not?

A de M

What is your latest opinion/gut feeling regarding the opening up for non t/r'd guys? do you know numbers that have applied with tr and the leftover that will be required. I have an ATPL and I've been waiting for three years for easy to recruit.

Many thanks

BTW has anyone noticed that the advert says the cutoff is Friday the 21st but 21st is a Wednesday. Will they advertise non tr straight afterwards?

Kernowclown,

From internal ezy pilot mail:

"To recap, we are looking to select and assess pilots to create a holding pool of A320 type rated pilots that possess a full ATPL to support our growing command requirements as well as ensuring that we retain a diverse age and experience profile to meet our future pilot requirements."

And

"Parc Aviation experienced pilot assessments - On Tuesday and Wednesday this week we completed the first of the planned Parc experienced pilot assessment centres (Day 1 – non tech skills, Day 2 simulator). The Parc pilots reaching our assessment centres had already been through a rigorous selection process by Parc before being offered to us for assessment. I am pleased to say that the majority of pilots that met us this week went on to successfully pass both the behavioural and sim assessments. They will now be offered a Parc contract to fly for us as experienced FlexiCrew pilots in the New Year. Specific basings are yet to be determined and will be a result of internal base transfers and further FlexiCrew permanent job offers being assigned first.
easyJet permanent job offers – Further to FlexiCrew assessments last week a total of 9 permanent easyJet job offers were made and accepted for our FCO base."

As you can read there is no official plan to recruit experienced turboprop/non Airbus rated pilots for year 2012. They have received before deadline more than 200 applications for the ATPL and Airbus rating job offer. Does not sound like a lot, but it is more than double of positions available plus they take in the Parc experienced pilots too.
Sad story and I am sorry :uhoh:

Thanks for the info Mr Cokeman.

It's a funny old business eh? But no sadness here - I am very grateful for my current job and for the chance to work towards my command. I'd just like to put down roots and start a family so I need to figure out this type rating thingy really.

kernowclown - I think The Flying Cokeman is pretty accurate in his assessment. The option to recruit non-rated pilots was always there due to the possibility of there being insufficient rated pilots applying. I am not at all convinced that Parc have the ability to do the assessments, but that is the party line. There are some slightly conflicting unknowns in this. The first is that past experience shows that a significant number of the external rated candidates may fail the sim ride - if that is the case then the 'just under 200 pilots' may not actually turn out to be that many. Offsetting that, the likely lay-off of 60-70 Thomas Cook pilots, many of whom are Airbus rated, is going to provide us with a large pool of rated pilots free of charge just when we need them. A further unknown in the equation is how many pilots, particularly captains, we are likely to lose to BA once the hold pool empties - that will have an effect on our future recruitment that is as yet undetermined. As you can see, the dust has to settle a bit but on balance I think that the recruitment of non-rated pilots this year is unlikely. The honest truth is that until all these factors play out, no one really knows with absolute certainty the answer to your question.

In the immortal words of former US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 'There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.' Priceless.

Hi Alexander

looks like you are the most and best updated on Easyjet here...i got a question for you then..;)
The closing date to apply is today.Are they gonna stop reading those cv's before the deadline will expire since they got more than 200 applications or they will give a look to all bunch of applications to select then the "suitable guys" for an interview?Being called for an interview just to be put "on hold"for some time and ending up not to be called like they did in the past for other DEFo's wouldn't be nice...I know...take it or leave it but it's a matter of expectations

Hi Aviator3200. I am not on the recruitment team, but my understanding is that all applications will be looked at and 'graded' to assess suitability. When you put in your application is irrelevant as long as it is submitted by the deadline. We obviously cannot interview everyone, so the most 'suitable' will get the call and some will inevitably be unsuccessful.

I am not sure I fully understand your question, but clearly being called for an interview does not guarantee a job. The selection process will be fair, but will require you to also pass a simulator session. Like all such processes, you cannot be sure when a job vacancy will appear even if you pass it - some people will get offers earlier than others as we can only train a certain number of people at any one time. Clearly it is not desirable to be sat around a hold pool for a long time waiting, but like the BA hold pool there is no absolute guarantee a job will come out of it until you have the offer in your hand. I hope that makes sense.

Thank you very much about your quick reply Alexander,
Nice to hear!When you are on duty for some days it's quite hard to submit an application and for some airlines it's a matter of filling the seats for the interview as soon as the right number of applications(having considered a certain number of failures) comes in...no matter what the deadline is.
Well let's see what happens,the huge number of pilot laid off from Thomas Cook doesn't help but hopefully some years on the bus will be a help big enough to get called for an interview, of course you have to pass the sim but let's get called first:)
Many thanks man

Hi Alexander de Meerkat,

I have a question for you: i did apply online during the legal time. But infortunaltly, i am not full ATPL. I have 800 hours on type mostly. Do have a chance to get called, even no immediatly? As i claerly anderstand that Fully ATPL will have priority.
If i can't go with a direct entry pilot, i have the minimas for flexi crew? If i go to the sceening, is this the same selection process? I think it will be attended by EZY, won't it?

Thank you for these details.

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so naive .....:ooh:

Okkk, but may be more..??!