euro's indeed and no possibility at all to move from Lisbon to London base. You will have to sit out your 2 year contract and at the end you may or may not get a new contract in LIS.(maybe then you will get the ability to bid for other bases)

Easyjet is upgrading 100SFO's this year into LGW. These courses have been filled and there is capacity for more courses in unforseen circumstances. Last course runs in May. They are not desperate for experienced captains it seems. These SFO's have more total hours than previous years as the growth in easyJet has slowed down over past years. Time to command is somewhere around 5,5 years now (starting as cadet) and rising quickly.
Easyjet hasn't taken experienced FO's for years so this number would be very correct.

Latest rumour I heard today is that easyJet has gotten rid of 23 trainers due to less training demand foreseen. However it then seems these trainers have been replaced by external consultants who are cheaper.

Adm should be able to shed more light on the latest.

Btw fleet size winter 2011/2012 = 204 aircraft vs winter 2012/2013 = 204 aircraft. So NO GROWTH.
Maybe over summer we have couple more airplanes to boost profit due to timing of delivery vs end of lease contracts.

Also easyJet has no aircraft orders beyond 2015 I believe. This year they will supposedly make a decision on new replacement orders, 737max a320neo or bombardier c-series. The airline is maturing.

I'm not sure why this thread is running but I don't see any potential for DE recruiting.

It's running because they intended to recruit DE last September... Then nothing happened apparently.

I wonder why they advertised openings for experienced FOs and then decided not to go through with it. Any ideas?

I believe we already filled the positions for experienced F/O's and the window then closed again. Nothing abnormal about this.

DEC outside LIS: Highly unlikely at the moment. With no growth, more F/O's will fullfill the requirements once (if) we start expanding again in the future, so they will be ready to fill required CMD positions from within at that time.

Probably because we have a queue of wannabes with a bank balance to pay for a position on random rostering.

Why would the management look at employing experience when you have people willing to pay to work???

No foreseeable DE Fo or Capts
 

Outside of Lisbon no recruiting of experienced pilots likely at EZY for the foreseeable.

They operate Cadet (soon to be MPL) and part time Flexi deal through CTC and PArc.

Flexi is poorly paid and often linked to a type rating deal - so really it's a form of P2F as no g-tee of a job at the end of it.

EZY have also had P2 Line Fly with people paying to fly their passengers for up to 100h then told to move along

If you are a US A320 pilot try Virgin America.

As CHIRP states, not a very happy place to be a Flexi pilot at present:

http://www.chirp.co.uk/Downloads/ATFB/ATFB101.pdf

Some Flexi pilots are better paid than others depending on total hours and the agency in question. Parc rates nudge £67/flying hour and £250+ for a standby / ground duty.

People are leaving for stable employment, not because they can't stand the big orange machine. I just wish EZY could see this.

flexy pilot direct entry
 

Im flex and direct entry.

first month pay over E5000,- net. don't know what you used to, but for me this is ok!

Yeah but no pension, a pathetic holiday pay, no expenses (and this is an expensive job to be in) and no security. All with zero respect. If working in the uk you may find your tax code will take time to adjust - 5000€ a month net is not a realistic expectation from flexicrew. A good month about £3500 and a bad month as low as £600 once all tax codes are sorted. But if you're happy then good for you and enjoy!

What I will add is that it IS an opportunity to get a permanent job.

I concur BlackandBrown, the figures you've quoted are much more realistic for take home pay over the medium term. Anyone who comes in on Parc and has paid for their type rating (£29k) their first year earnings will be inflated by the fact they can offset the cost of the type rating against tax. In effect having a tax free allowance of £36k. Yep, if your circumstances allow you to go to europe you can be out there in 6 to 9 months on a permanent contract and a fixed roster.

not possible...

you are either flexicrew ctc employed contractor OR

direct entry easyjet employed FO

I get the impression that he means 'experienced' Flexicrew rather than straight from the cadet scheme. Confusion of terminology.

ah yes... anyway this should clarify it for all those who think easyJet is taking DE pilots

flexy and direct
 

Yes I'm a direct entry F/O 1200+ on the A320 and on a flexy contract with parc..don't see the confusion.:ugh:

Then you are not a Direct Entry, that is the confusion.

A Direct entry means employed directly by the company on entering your employment, hence direct entry.

You are supplied to EasyJet as a contractor, hence cannot be direct entry.

Its pitiable flexman. How can you contribute when you do not even seem to have a clear idea what contract you are on.

Divide and Conquer.

WB has it sewn up.

We are all doomed .......

Also just to clarify, you are contracted by Parc which means you're self employed, which means that 5k euro figure is before tax and you have to file your taxes yourself.

i like tea, 6-7k AFTER tax in Paris last summer is impossible, because tax on last summers salary is not even paid! Take home in France is BEFORE tax, taxes are paid the following year.
These 7k are paid to your PLC this PLC will have to pay 40% of French social security as they employ a pilot based in France. So 4k left, minus 22% personal social security leaves 3k before tax. And no sick pay, holiday pay, bonuses, pension contributions, medical, insurance, uniform...

Plus Parc guys can offset their Type Rating against tax so get tax free pay for the first 4 or 5 months.

As long as Pilots like Flexman do not even understand what a Direct Entry (DE) pilot is they remain part of the problem, and Easyjet will continue to take advantage of them.
As mentioned above large numbers of Self Employed contract FOs have been off setting the costs of their Type Rating against their tax bill. Most have off set it over a 12 month period which has now finished and the reality of what they will actually take home each month is starting to emerge.
Also, the fact that under the Merlin offer they would be circa £50k worse off due to the clause which zeros captain loyalty bonus when they swap seats means the penny is finally dropping for even the most short sighted contractor.

6-7k is ridiculously impossible. This isnt a big dick contest, it's meant to help people make informed decisions, understand the reality and manage their expectations.

French flexi contracts had a guaranteed 85 hours a month I believe - £43x 85 = £3655. Say 6 standbys a month that you aren't called off? 6 x £150= £900

Therefore total monthly pay on an extremely good month = £4555 BEFORE TAX.

Into euros at 1.21 to the £ = 5511 Euros before tax. How did someone get 7K?

I'm not trying to have a go but come off it.

BlackAndBrown,

You think that anyone on a Paris flexi contract is from ctc, and on the 500 hour ctc pay scale you used?

You think that a parc flexi gets the same as a parc, 'temp out of base', flexi? Which there are not many of, I should add.

Since your estimate only comes 500 euros short of his bracketed claim, you can start to see how it is possible to actually take home much more than that in this specific case he is talking about, over summer.

So about 6400euro before tax if on the £52 rate which kicks in above 1250 factored hours on CTC Ts and Cs? How is it 6 or even 7k AFTER TAX as has been claimed. Please do an example sum demonstrating it to me. No response will be conclusive.

Wow, just read my post again please. This is not anything to do with ctc. :ugh:

If you haven't even grasped the fundamentals of parc, who is on them, how they vary, hourly scales, and the various tax arrangements available then I'm certainly not going to publish the details of these 'select' contracts which would only become misleading headline figures.

It is important to say that you can't keep that level of pay for much over a year. And it obviously varies depending on rosters given.

You're right about one thing; this isn't a willy waving contest, so take it or leave it. I was only standing up for the guy you claimed to be ridiculous.

Regards

I´m on the highest rate as a Flexicrew with Parc (67 pounds/h) in UK.

Last summer salaries were around 5000/5500 pounds/month net, but that was just for June, July, August and September. The rest has been extremely quiet for me and my colleagues flying as little as 20/30 hours per month, earning an average of 2000/2500 pounds when in our joining day they told us to expect around 67 hours/month in winter...I guess we are very expensive for the company thus they use cadets as much as possible during these months...really frustrating to see 1800 pounds in your payslip after been flying your ass off in Middle East and some other places for 5 years but hey, orange spirit forever!

Resuming for me its an average of 3500 pounds/month throughout the year.

Regards

I like tea.

You seem to think this is a my cock is bigger than yours situation ( purely in a French domestic bird way ). What you should realise is that you are bottom of the feeding chain. You will be paid well when you are needed and badly when you are not. Given there is no real expansion planned over the next couple of years I would hate to be in your situation. A third class citizen regardless of CTC or PARC pedigree.

You are not an employee you are a disposable unit. While you are cost effective you will work, when you are not bye bye. Save while you can. I have a feeling that the EURO,s days are numbered. When that chicken comes home to roost you are very low on the feeding chain and your goose will be cooked.

Apologies for all the fowl references.

Shouldn't it be Coq

The hours have dropped noticeably from last year to this year, but it was inevitable after the recruitment drive. No problem.

The main worry for Flexicrew now is if they continue to recruit in significant numbers next season. It isn't needed, especially given the halting of expansion. However a large proportion of Flexicrew will be on the highest pay scale by then.

If they do it's a rather negative indicator for the current batch, who's hours will only diminish beyond affordability as Jumbito is now finding. Now why would they propose to introduce a gaurantee of such a low yearly hour total...?

I must say that I'm completly lost with all that. The way to get into Easy nowaday seems very complicated.

Regarding experienced A320 FO willing to join, from what I understood, you are on a contract from Parc or CTC for one year, flexible...
After one year you get the opportunity of a permanent Easyjet contract, the same as your colleague that join Easy 8 years ago? You are able to bid for the base of your choice?
If you meet the requirement (3000h TT ??) you are able to apply for command and join the queue...

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Talking about Parc, the flexi deal is offered for 2 years; it could be cancel at any time EZY needs permanent contracted FO´s :rolleyes:.

And yes, after you are offered a permanent contract, you have exactly the same rights than your colleagues, except the base bidding (usually the permantent contract came along with one year fixed at one base designated by EZY). Some of the PARC new joiners exceeds by far the 3000TT ;).

Cheers!

or constantly renew to keep only contracted FO's :eek: :ugh:.

Many thanks for your reply IAEdude :ok:

FlexiCrew is the pits. Only take it if you need to. It combined with easyJet really should be seen as a 'need' arrangement not a 'want' arrangement on your part. If you try and be clever with the flexicrew scheme in terms of using it as a way to bypass or 'get in' you may get your arse bitten. Any positive outcome is a happy coincidence, not by design. All of that said, easyJet is a great company to fly for in every respect and there have been permanent opportunities given in mainand europe as a result of being on flexicrew. In terms of whether ths will continue I'd advise you to heed the advice that the past is not the future particularly in this industry and to a large extent in this world in my opinion.

I like tea, sorry, I genuinely wasn't having a go. You came across well and didn't annoy me! That said, even in the unlikely event that flexcrewers netted 6-8k in a month it is spurious, erroneous (that is derived from error on easyJets part) from a financial planning perspective to any prospective flexicrewer. It was a one off, probably the result of clever tax accounting and poor crew planning and can not be expected. Not even half of it can be.

like in FR pilots fixate on 7,000 a month and neglect to tell people the earn less then half that in the winter. :ugh: