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young1 18th June 2013 11:39

is it true you can use a calculator for the maths?

young1 18th June 2013 13:54

it gave you a an answer and you had to create the equation using the numbers given (between 1-9 ) each number can only be used once for example the easiest might have been:

_ x _- _=47 so answer 8 x 7 - 9 =47

Obviously as the test went on it increased in difficulty and weren't allowed to use calculator.

JStone 18th June 2013 14:01

Online tests
 
Is there a Missile game or anything similar in the tests?

Holyjoe 18th June 2013 15:20

Shamrock hiring
 
Has anyone done the tests yet? How many tests are there?

hobnobanyone 18th June 2013 16:25

I have to admit that I found this maths test easier to do. Although there was one question that totally threw me off guard.

The Tunnel was the same as the easyJet one.

The Spatial awareness made my brain turn to water.

young1 18th June 2013 17:17

hobnobanyone how was the verbal reasoning.. as hard as the EZY one? I found that the hardest of the lot!

hobnobanyone 18th June 2013 17:19

Verbal reasoning is pretty much exactly the same. 40 questions, timed and numerous tabs to read from. And impossible to complete unless you've got the brain of a computer...

Coupled_To_Me 18th June 2013 22:14

I've just finished the assessments. I found them more difficult than the easyJet ones. I'm through to the next stage with easy but would not be confident of getting through here.

I've spoken to a number of people who think it'll be a good idea to apply with false info/made up name initially and then video record themselves doing the assessments with a view to then applying with their correct details later on and being well prepared for the assessments.

Hangar6 18th June 2013 22:46

Public forum
 
Please remember that this forum and others is read and followed by the very same people you are sending in your applications , why take a chance ? And then risk being discovered, companies are wise to dubious applications and have te means and resources to check and double check applications.

Atilair 18th June 2013 22:54

I've heard that it's quite likely to get a new test, on site, if you're invited to Dublin.

johnysky 19th June 2013 05:18

why is maths so important, I have seen other assessment tests and they have all kinds of math tests like algebra geometry etc. Math is not my strongest area, as it's been a while since I left school !

I want to know how much maths is required in the actual job, do we need to make complex calculation any example would be helpful.

Love_joy 19th June 2013 15:06

There is more to this version of the CUT-E than EJ presented... and its not any easier the second time round.

Love_joy 19th June 2013 15:42


is it just me feeling like I am extremely inadequate?
You too???!?

This has to beg the question, what has this actually got to do with flying an aircraft? And what happened to the friendly chat to find out who the good eggs are?

I miss those days...

Coupled_To_Me 19th June 2013 15:48

Has anyone heard anything after completing the assessments?

Coupled_To_Me 19th June 2013 16:19

Received it too. I'm guessing a lack of coordination between Aer Lingus HR and their test partner.

johnysky 19th June 2013 16:29


"I want to know how much maths is required in the actual job" you wrote, to be able to apply for this job you should have your ATPL's done at least and have CPL / ME IR, so you should know what kind of maths is required in the job already.
If I knew about it, then I wouldn't have to ask in the first place !

hobnobanyone 19th June 2013 17:04

Due to a lack of coordination, can I take the tests again??

Like a few others, feeling a bit useless about all these aptitude tests at the moment.

Wodka 19th June 2013 17:14

Just done them... time is most def your enemy! eg- went to click an answer as the test shutdown... grrr!

Was ok but due to the time, i'm not holding out much hope of making it through this automated filter :{

I wonder how the pass point is defined - an overall score or min required passes in each test?

Swept 19th June 2013 17:23

There is a synch issue with AL and their online assessment provider. The provider is sending out the tests before AL send out their 'Welcome to the tests email. I got my "Here are your Tests email" 3 days ago and the "You're tests will be with you soon email" today.

I wouldn't worry if you've completed the tests and just got this. I'm impressed though! I haven't had time to complete the tests and am steeling myself for a quiet and sober 90 mins away from the anklebiters to apply myself to them!

Love_joy 19th June 2013 17:39


I wonder how the pass point is defined - an overall score or min required passes in each test?
Hopefully they'll just rank all us morons and draw a line where they need it. If they set a pass mark I'd be surprised if get many through...

eaglesnest1972 19th June 2013 17:44

Got the same email...
Lack of coordination or another set of tests?

I am done with all these psycho drama tests : )

hobnobanyone 19th June 2013 17:55

I hope that's the case - maybe we are all just as useless as each other.

That sound is the laughter coming from the HR department of Aer Lingus as they work out that I have no spatial awareness at all.

skylog 19th June 2013 19:57

This is for any of you guys feeling bad about your performance during the test:

I got the apple "spinning circle of death" during the mathematical section which instantly wiped out precious seconds :eek: & I managed to inadvertently get my screensaver activated during the tunnel flying:{:{:{:{

Good luck to all you gals & guys out there:ok:

flyhigh2fly 19th June 2013 20:39

Is the numerical reasoning the same as the verbal reasoning with tabs and look at a whole bunch of data and look for the right data?
Or is it similar to easyjet?

thanks guys

OhNoCB 19th June 2013 22:08

Not sure how the tests went for me really... Didnt complete all the verbal reasoning ones, would be surprised if many people did.

Maths, memory and reaction went good for me I think, especially maths.

Spatial one was awful. I am always bad at these despite having what I would consider to be good spatial awareness in practical terms.

McMax 20th June 2013 10:19

Is there any chance to fly the 330 as well after some time?
Or what's the deal about that?

Windshear23 20th June 2013 11:51

Taken from the the job offer:

"Initially you will be operating A320/321 aircraft on our short-haul network. Over time you may have the opportunity to move onto our A330 long-haul fleet, and ultimately command."

;)

2 Whites 2 Reds 20th June 2013 12:22

Well that's it....finished.

Generally went ok but like many others, Spatial Reasoning just isn't my thing and being a fairly average bloke I find these sort of tests quite tricky.

I passed the EJ online assessment so maybe there's hope but I'm not holding my breath.

Time will tell. Best of luck all.

Swept 21st June 2013 16:26

Done....... Through the tears from my rejection email from Easyjet today! Thought it was easier than the Easyjet tests and thought I did well so I'm expecting a "don't darken our doors again you idiot" email in the next 24 hours! :O

Enjoy.

Holyjoe 21st June 2013 17:16

Shamrock hiring
 
Just finished the tests...will be walking into revolving doors for the rest of the day!! Glad they're done...results within 4 weeks of closing date for applications which is 11th july I think.
the comments on here have made me chuckle and if I am lumped into the "nice but dim" category, I'll be in very good company.good luck to all.

Windshear23 23rd June 2013 17:46

Any update guys?

Holyjoe 24th June 2013 20:42

Shamrock hiring
 
Who knows...while there's a breath in O Leary's body, AL will never rest easy.think its sorted for now though.

sdryh 25th June 2013 12:39

Just completed the test, cannot believe I have spent the last 10 years flying passenger planes and been allowed to continue based on what they want you to complete. everything fine except the Maths. Not expecting any response from them.

What happened to the days when experience counted for things, not how you complete a sodding test!

Bloody HR departments.

harry-seaside 25th June 2013 14:14

Did anyone got a confirmation email saying they received your results?

Like so many, I'm feeling completely inadequate for the job after these tests.

I'm amazed my current boss even allows me to fly his planes :}

Swept 25th June 2013 18:00

No confirmation received. I think they were laughing too much!:):):)

Holyjoe 25th June 2013 20:06

Shamrock hiring
 
I did mine blindfolded and left-footed a la Daniel Day Lewis...think I'm in with a shot!!

Mungo Man 28th June 2013 09:51

Just done the tests. I'd say it was slightly easier than easyJet but I'm still amazed at the apparent lack of relevance of some of the questions. Conversion of obscure units of measurement, area and volume is not something I regularly use I work.

There was also an appalling and confusing misuse of commas and fullstops in numbers, i.e., '1.000 litres' instead of '1,000' and '1,5 kgs' instead of '1.5 kg'. At least I think it was wrong - I hardly know which way is up after the last 90 minutes! Can't wait to fly an airliner this afternoon - its going to seem a breeze now!

nrn 28th June 2013 09:53

just finished aswell...

Not expecting anything. I found the spacial orientation quite difficult as the math and verbar reasoning (eventhough I did it in my native language). I finished half of it

FO 3000 hours 737

hobnobanyone 28th June 2013 11:27

Might as well have been in a different language for all the sense it made to me!

12345wz 28th June 2013 21:53

Agree with hobnobanyone !
Probably completed just over half of the verbal reasoning... A load of :mad: !!


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