BA777; Can't really give you an example of how RJ100 came to a sum of £400 per month for flight pay. It depends on how much you work. We get £1.90/hr duty pay so the more you are at work the more you get! I would have said that £400 was an average before its taxed. Working day off and disruption payments are on top.

Thanks towser, is it taxed at the lower or higher rate?

Again that would depend on your income. Up to year 5 f/o (IIRC) you are looking at 20% tax.

B777, your calculations are correct.

As towser said. Most of the f/o's have started straight from flying school. At present more and more are hitting the 2500hrs mark and going to senior f/o. (3 stripe & doesn't purely depend on hrs) Surely some will be considered for command with these 2 new E190's coming.

gilbertmchris. You are right in stating that most new f/o's should (and are as well) very glad with this job. It's a great experience, initially with the RJ and now the E-Jet, going into an airport like LCY daily. If you're straight out of flight school, or coming from a turboprop to this than it's a really good step forward and a great job. But I think that someone with more exprience on jets at bigger airlines in particular would think twice.

First of all, thanks to the chaps who have posted useful things on this thread. Been flying in some of the more darker places south of the med for a while, but she who must be obeyed is making VERY loud noises about me returning to the UK. This will probably be with lots of kicking and screaming from myself. At the mo i am flying a PC12, into somalia, which has its own benefits and excitement ($$$ and low level combat approachs), but i may be getting a bit old for that these days! Now i'm not expecting either of these things at BACY, but am keen to return to sunny blighty. 2500hrs+, multi turbo command etc. I understand that the place seems to be a nice place to work, good people etc, but the usual mgt probs. But what about the future? Why it is not used as a feeder of crew for big brother, al'a Dragon air and Cathay. Will it expand much more re aircraft, crew, routes? I know LCY is limited in aircraft types, but this list seems to be getting bigger. Before i post my application (cant find my bloody NI card), i would like to hear from people there. What is the lifestyle like? Touring sounds good, nitestops always fun, but can this fit in with family life? Does the company understand this, and try to accomadate family people? I am keen to cross the med and come back to the civilized world, and to keep the memshaib quiet, but is this the right time, or company? I hope so, but we shall see?

CathayBrat

Quite a few posts from BACF pilots already with much of the info you ask about - have a quick read!:p

£26000? I thought the year 1 FO salary was about £34k??

CathayBrat. Reading you're applying then for command I would say, expect to be worked like a dog. (not meant negative but you''re gonna be one busy puppy.)

Does it fit in with family life? Hmmm...it depends if you can stand the touring lifestyle and if the misses (and maybe kids) at home can/will put up with you being constantly away or getting loads of changes. Looking forward, it will get a wee bit better due to some changes (in pilots favour) of our schedueling agreement. Giving us more time off after 6 day trip, no rostered single days off. The company looks in good shape, expanding, promotions, new pilots and backing from big brother. Loads are very healthy and although company moral is low, social moral is high. There's no diference between mr.family guy and mr.single guy as far as rostering goes. You can request minimum nightstops if you want that but absolutely no guarantee you will get it. Also loads of charters for next s11 season so no more weekends off I suspect.

Don't expect us to have anything to do with big BA in terms of carreer progression. All you get is a guaranteed interview with BA and that's it. But as atreyu already stated, why would they consider us if they then have to train 2 pilots iso just 1. I know, it's crazy that there's no future for any of us into mainline. Both from a flying as from a financial point of view.

Not quite sure you've got your numbers right there guys. On the scales listed on PPJN, no F/Os should be paying higher rate tax (based solely on the basic pay). £6.5k tax free allowance, next £37.5k at 20%, thereafter 40%. So you have to earn circa £44k before you hit the 40% bracket, and then only on any amount over £44k. £26k for the first year is a bit of a shocker though :ugh:

The 4 new f/o's that were in the holdpool for a long time have just been hired. So the expansion is definitely happening.

Any idea about, crews they are going to need and roughly, applications (matching the minimums requirements) they are going to receive :hmm:

A birdy tells me 15-20 crew and as for your second question: :mad: loads!

DutchBird-757

Thanks for your vote of confidance, but not applying for command, always belived u have to start at the bottom and work your way up! No problem with touring trips, day aways, last min changes, African flying has nothing on that, but the wife wants me back in uk. I dont want to climb the greasy pole up the list, i just want to fly and be rewarded for it. I admit the BA name swings me more than sleazy jet or o'learys mob. I dont have debts from flying, (ex mob), just want to fly. But also dont want to vanish into a hold pool for the next 3 yrs. From what i have read, it seems like a good place to work, but not if u want to be a widebody capt. Suits me, long haul is crap, the old man did it for 20 yrs, no flying, just pushing buttons. Application will be on its way soon.

Any chances for a french currently working in Africa ? 2900TT UK JAA ATPL 1600 JAR25 ... I did send an application but being so far away... :confused:

Would agree with everything posted by all.

I personally enjoy it, great crew, good training department and a varied roster. Yes there are problems; discussing them with some crew today but I'm sure all companies have problems in this day and age.

Having said that, the problems could be fixed if tackled in the right manner I believe. Communication seems to be a big one from management to the coalface.

Money is a biggy, f/c and c/c but hey, Im happy with my lot at the moment. The future looks promising and Im happy to see what happens over the next year or two.

Im having problems with the Jobs section on the application not loading up properly and therefore can not enter any of my previous job details. All the other section work fine. I have sent them a couple of email yet still no response. Does anyone have any other ways of contacting them?

Tried a different browser? A different internet connection?

Yep both, and tried a different PC as well.

A few unanswered questions / comments......

Firstly; DB757..... "Don't expect us to have anything to do with big BA in terms of carreer progression. (correct) All you get is a guaranteed interview with BA and that's it." (pretty sure that’s incorrect)

Secondly, i think the figure of 26k per year has been mentioned due to year one, non type rated FOs being placed on some sort of cadet pay scale. I hope this is not the case and that you get the full 35k(ish). A few people may ask why FOs two years ago joined on 25k however!!!

Anyway, good luck to anyone applying but please read this thread carefully as there is a lot of truth in comments from employees.

I had an issue so withdraw the first application. Changed the email address associated with the original one and then registered again with my original address. Was fine the second time around but be sure to save details from the old one as .mht file first. I'm realistic about finding someone bothered enough to investigate an IT problem for me when there's no financial gain :ok:

@ RJ_Rantster.
As far as I know I am correct in saying that all you get is an invitation for a interview with BA. But I might be wrong, I haven't applied myself. Just hearsay.

Expect 26K for year 1 and then normal F/O scales. You are right in saying it doens't make sense that f/o's a couple years ago were bonded for 2 years on 24k and 28k.

26K a year?:eek:

This must be a joke!!! I might hope it is after tax.

Nope. It's before tax and now also our Flight Duty Pay gets taxed. I know, it's a shocker BUT it was even worse only a couple of years ago. (24k in year 1 and 28K in year 2 and all before tax) Try living in London with that!

As RJ_Rantster already said, it's something to do with the capet pay scales. It's supposedly only for 1 year and then onto 35.5K before tax thereafter. (still bad I know)

Still waiting on official confirmation so hang tight...

i think this pay thing needs to be clarified, This is just what i am led to understand and could be very wrong but the pay DB is quoting was the cadet pay. For a direct entry F/O not out of training college that has flown a commercial type, the pay should be full year one and not the cadet rate for the first two years.

So in theory the cadets in the holding pool will be on the cadet pay as per there agreement and other direct entry will be on full pay.

Bond will be two years in all cases.

Superpilot

Thank you for the information. Did as you said an worked ok.:ok:

Has anyone been able to contact HR regarding these anomalies with the application form? I submitted my app before these new sections appeared on the form re Education, etc. I can't withdraw and resubmit the system tells me :ugh:

I sent an email but no response...

Wodka...

What email address have you used? I too applied before these new sections appeared and now cannot alter or resubmit the application so need to get in touch with them also.

Cheers

2W2R :ok:

Wodka and 2 reds 2 white, Im in the same boat as you, I've tried to contact them a couple times about it but no responses to my emails. any phone numbers we could use?

Hmmmm..... I've just emailed the generic email address for BACF HR.

My brother works for BA mainline, I'll see if he can dig out a number for them and go from there. Will let you know if I get anywhere.

Cheers

2W2R

Hello all of you,

I hope this will help some of you!
As I applied before the applications changed, I didn't have to write about my education and employment history.

So, when I noticed the changes, I called HR and they told me not to worry about that and that they will mostly look at our CV's.
Another thing, maybe the non-UK citizens couldn't change there countries in the application, UK seems to be the default one and one can't change it.
I talked to them about that as well and told me the problem was known and not an issue at all, once again, the CV is the main element they look at apparently.

Hope this helps you!

Take care, good luck to all of you (and me :) ) and fly safe.

Garba.

CW,

You and the others should look and read carefully the FAQ as there is the direct HR number. If it is not in the FAQ, then it is somewhere in their website.

Once, before the recruitment opened, I called BA Mainline in order to get a number I could join BACF with. They told me that only one number was available to them and this one was internal.

Once again, read the BACF website FAQ and you should probably get the HR number on it.

Regards,

Garba.

Found the number, its on the guidance notes

A quick search on google: United Kingdom: BA CityFlyer

Call the number and simply ask for HR.

EDIT - Just spotted this is the same google page as CW. See hown simple it is...

Dutch Bird
 

Re: the BA interview. Way back when we were CitiExpress we were indeed guaranteed and interview and supposedly escaped the group exercises, however everyone I knew who applied did the group ex. Now as BA Cityflyer that agreement is no longer in place so our applications are treated just like anyone else's.:ouch: No longer any special treatment, even though we have aligned our interview process to more like mainlines.

RJ.

Online Application
 

Chaps,

Has anybody else noticed that when reviewing the application before submitting, it omits your NI number details that you originally inputted? When you go back to the personal details section to re-insert, its no longer there to amend?

Any solution, or is it just a case of hitting the submit button?

:ok:

When I went through and checked the form before hitting 'submit', my NI number was present. But after I had submitted I printed a copy to PDF format for my own records the NI number had vanished. So I went through my profile on the BACF careers site any my NI number was still in there. Thus I'm not too concerned as they do have it on record.

I'm only in my mid-20's so am by no means a 'tecnhophobe' but there seems to be an awful lot of problems with online applications to airlines as a whole. Jet 2 being another one that many people (including me) had problems with.

Bring back the paper and pen I say!!!!

Evening All

2W2R :ok:

Before I submitted my application, I could not see a section for completing this information, was this the same for everyone else?

Also, regarding the NI number, mine did not show up in the review section either, but it was definately listed in the main personal details section of the website when I went back and checked.

I agree with the above, paper and pen is the way forward!

The BACF application is the same one from 2004/2005 (yep, I was a wannabe back then too! :{). I doubt very much it gets maintained by the IT department and besides what would they know about it's shortcomings unless someone from HR/recruitment told them? For that to happen the recruiter would've had to go through the entire process themselves in order to realise (I doubt very much they did that). Clearly, they're not interested in making it the perfect application form (I'd be lieing if I said I ever saw one!), so it's safe to assume all they're interested in is capturing the most important details. Name, address, license, credit ca.. (wait wrong airline!)

Probably a little premature as we're still two days away from the closing date, but has anyone heard anything yet?

EDIT: Just received the email asking for a reply if unable to make one of the four dates in November.

I just got this:

Thank you for your recent application for First Officers E-Jet Series Aircraft with BA CityFlyer. We are currently in the process of shortlisting for the current vacancies.
Please be advised that those shortlisted will be invited to a one day Pilot Assessment Centre at Didsbury, Manchester on the following days:
-Monday 8th November
-Tuesday 9th November
-Wednesday 10th November
-Thursday 11th November 2010

Likewise! Fingers crossed. Good luck everyone.