Oh dear, for all BALPAs bluster it looks like they will be strongly recommending the 2% after all. Oh but we'll keep our leave protection now. Ace.

Interesting
 

My interpretation of the BALPA newsletter is that the company have moved significantly re: scheduling and BALPA are recommending we accept the scheduling changes to resolve that 'failure to agree'.

We still have to negotiate a settlement for pay and the other failure to agree on pensions wasn't it?

I think BALPA are merely saying they are happy with the improvements in scheduling, not the other elements of the claim yet.

DP

Would we be voting if it was just one element? Or is this the whole package?

Despite BALPA's recommendation, if there's no improvement in the offered pay then my wax crayon mark will be going in the NO box.

So am I right in thinking the 'blue sky thinking' will end hereafter should this 'improvement' in the offer from the company goes through? (which is prob just the same with the return of the leave protection as flyingcamel suggested)
What a waste of time, effort and subs if this is the case!
Anything less than RPI from now on gets my 'no'

Good lord lighten up everyone and at least wait till you've heard the proposal! Having said that I'm still at a loss as to why we have to wait another week. Hopefully the company will have learned not to try and big it up with spin. Just give us the facts please.

Maybe as Flybe has made profits when others haven't, they might offer a bonus.
I'd settle for a John Lewis style 18%!!!! :ugh:

I thought we did have a bonus last year. I can't recall the figure off the top of my head, there is a percentage versus profit posted in the crew rooms around the bases. Yes, John Lewis have done very well and 18% or 9 weeks of pay, will go down well, and good on John Lewis, but we are two different industries. People have to buy, but they don't have to fly. Just a thought.

John Lewis is a highly respected employer!

They have to buy what Lord Molton Brown? Last I heard John Lewis didn't sell food (excluding Waitrose).

John Lewis has a food hall - at least here in civilisation they do...

Well regardless, I still can't afford to shop in Waitrose. Oh and the budget is imminent. I just hope back pay is going to be enough to stem the flow for a while. Maybe I'll even be able to afford a nice new shirt and shoes for all those interviews at the end of the year...........

Wishful thinking?

Regrettably as a year 4 F/O, I fall very much into the Netto demographic.

The point I seek to make, is that John Lewis purposefully shares the wealth and consequently enjoys an exceptionally stable workforce. I'm not suggesting we become some sort of East German workers' collective, we will also have shareholders to answer to, but is it too much to ask that we aspire to some workforce satisfaction?

The only way this workforce is going to get any satisfaction is to fight for it. Our leaders are not in the same ballpark as John Lewis.

Like others here if it's anything less than RPI it will be a NO from me.

Very different Management style
 

Flybe's mean spirited management are not even remotely similar to John Lewis

John Lewis Mgt
Pay their staff above market rate for the job
Share the profits of the business with them in generous bonuses

Flybe Mgt
Pay themselves more than the Executives at Major global airlines
Pay pilots significantly below market rate for the job
Share the profits of the business amongst only the top few executives
Offer pilots weekends half the length of other comparable low cost carriers (2 days late to early versus 4 days)

As others have said 81% of the BALPA members in Flybe are no longer prepared to accept this.

Having worked as both c/c for flybe and having been a partner in John Lewis, the two companies are POLES apart! On the whole, partners in JLP enjoying going to work as they are respected as valued members of the business, not just as meagre employees. Their thoughts, suggestions and ideas are encouraged. Their management believe in developing people and nuturing their skills and the ways they can help grow the business.

My recollection of offering any of the above to flybe 'management' met a brick wall. Flybe only want people who will do as they are told and if market comparison is anything to go by, for less than many of the other airlines out there.

Conditions are tough and times are hard and yes 'we should be grateful to have a job' at the end of the day but my happy memories of flybe lie tarnished by a company management that as Desk-Pilot says are more concerned with their own development and not that of the hard working flight deck, cabin crew and ground staff that turn up day after day after day and work hard to help build the airline into what it has become.

I hope you guys and gals manage to get what you're all after!!

Flybe have only kept my services for the foreseeable thanks to Virgin specifying Airbus or Boeing experience.
Let's see what BA have to say about it!

I say again!!! John Lewis is a respected employer!!!! Different world ;)

Dear Jim,

Please could you fix it for me to be able to no longer live hand to mouth and be able to see my friends and family more than once every two to three months. Please don't discard this letter out of your Aston Martin's window.

Yours

All Flybe FOs.

I never had any joy from Jimmy Savile either.

And we don't even want a medal!

Dear Jim,

Please could you fix it for me to be able to no longer live hand to mouth and be able to see my friends and family more than once every two to three months. Please don't discard this letter out of your Aston Martin's or Audi R8's window.

Yours

All Flybe FOs.