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Wouldn't flying be more interesting if there where more pilots like fivegreenlights. I have control and let us do a manual non briefed apporach!!
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What the heck. They changed the RWY, so what let us do a visual.

Surely nothing can go wrong. Come on Guys. :=

Happy Landings

Of course you could negate all of that by including a visual brief when you're briefing the approach.

That, is simples.

Of course you could but there again you could brief for the non-precision approach in case the ILS fails! Are you saying that you always accept a late runway change when offered by atc? In an ideal world we would anticipate all eventualities but it's down to the Captain to decide whether that is acceptable or not and besides how do you know they are not training and the guy under training is flying his first line sector?

Depends what you mean by late.

If it is more commercial and efficient and can be achieved without rushing, yes. It will have been briefed beforehand.

Obviously if the weather is cack and staying cack there's no point briefing for it.

Like you say,
Obviously I don't. I'm just speaking more generally and not commenting specifically on these instances.

In that case, LSM, I forgive you!

Just peeves me when threads turn into a bashing of XYZ airline when we all do more or less the same thing - there seem to be quite a few people around who delight in "flying" other people's aircraft rather than their own.

Nope, not Ryanair bashing (this time;))

Vexed- as an FO I do (subject to Captains objection) request visuals on every approach, and if denied, I'll fly manual raw data on 90% of my landings, as soon as I pass the IAF (don't want to hold raw data- too much effort). The only captains that deny it, don't blame the OFDM, they try to cover up the fact that they can't do it themselves, so don't let an FO do it!

VJW,

I think you'll find that Captains are deciding whether or not you can do it and what the risk change is if you do. The risk change may also be affected by other factors that are connected to your request, but not directly. Different Captains will perceive different risk, and it may well be the case that those who deny are in fact the more perceptive.

After a few years in the left seat, you'll see.

Quote:" Different Captains will perceive different risk, and it may well be the case that those who deny are in fact the more perceptive.

After a few years in the left seat, you'll see. "

I totally agree with the above. At the end the pic is responsible for the A/c even if he is not at the controls. Maybe the F/O is good but not that good ....

Agree with the above, by flying manual you are effectively removing one pilot from the flight deck, as the PM now needs to monitor the PF instead of the PF monitoring the automatics, leaving the PM with more capacity for general situational awareness.
That said if the situation permits ie VMC and uncongested airspace manual flying keeps handling skills up to standard.
But if I was on an ILS and the PF disconnects the automatics in IMC and turns off the flight directors that would take me out my comfort zone.

Serious thread drift...
so any new news on numbers leaving/left or other related rumours ?

Why? You're already on the ILS. What can possibly go wrong?
That is just basic flying skills and what you are (under)paid for.

What do you do if you're flying into an airport IMC where its so turbulent the autopilot is rubbish and flight directors and auto throttle are too slow to respond? That, my friend, does happen!

Are you lot on a bonus for dragging this thread so far off track?

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Heard 20 or so FO's handed in their notice to go work at Arkefly. (TUI)

4 dutchies in my base off to Arkefly, although all fairly low hour FO's so not gona hurt the company. Captains are busy but seems to be enough of them ...just

VJW - You are an obnoxious little sod. Wind you neck in.

Jet fule addict - same for you too old fruit.

I know your type, you both come and go, always the gob!!!!e in the crew room or ramp talking bollocks about something amazing you did.

If you disconnected the autopilot and removed the FD's in IMC on an ILS you would find yourself immediately as the PNF and a call into the base TRE to discuss your inappropriate behaviour.

The arrogance displayed by you both is shocking and unaccpetable.

In 11 years and many many flying hours, I have never been in a situation where the autopilot is unable to maintain an acceptable flight path. If you have then I put it to you that you were somewhere you should not have been thus opening further questions.

You have no rebuttal, take some unfriendly advice and think about the way you go to work.

I am appalled.

I hear that the management are now deserting the ship. JD in DUB (the one MoL threw a chair at or something) and PB in STN are both allegedly off to the sandpit to count beans for FD and EK respectively.

Anybody know more?

The thread about manual flying can be found in the Tech Log section here

With regards to management leaving. I too have heard about the briefcase incident but as usual I would take that with a grain of salt.

Rumours about JDO leaving to Flybai have been persistent for some time now so I would gauge them as rather correct. Haven't heard about PB going for Emirates yet except on the web here.

I cannot believe that in 11 years of flying you have not been in a situation where it would be better to disconnect rather than trying to let the autopilot "cope" with the situation. Do we not fly the same equipment?

I don't claim to be an excellent pilot, nor will I ever disconnect AP, AT on an approach (whether its IMC or VMC) without the approval of the PNF. As many have already mentioned there is a time and a place to do this. I'm no idiot.
Bottom line is though that flying an ILS is a pretty basic flying skill.
I would be terribly ashamed if I would not be able to do this.

Also, please don't call me arrogant. :=

Copy pasted into the other forum if you want to keep the discussion going.

This the most hilarious crap I have ever read on pprune. Seriously.

ZBMAN je pense qu'il est grand temps d'aller chez AF.....:O