"Get put on a Brookfield contract with no benefits and zero security if unable to work. Ignore it, it'll be fine. (Until you lose your medical for a year and have to sell your house like one of our colleagues)."

That's why permanent and/or temporary loss of licence insurance exist.
But then you have to deduct this cost from your available income of course... Security has a price, always, and this is a personal choice...
If the guy prefered to save the money of the insurance to have a bigger house, why should I be sorry for him ?
On the other hand, I agree this brookfield contract is sh$t.

Only in Ryanair (and others of their ilk), many airlines pay for this and other employee benefits such as permanent loss of licence. My last airline covered me for £150,000 for LOL, cost to me - NOTHING !

@adolf

I didn't and I have never said pax have a barrel of laughs on FR flights. Never was cattle class a more apt description. If you read my post again you willl see that I sympathised but said that young children rarely get separated from their parents in my experience.

Moreover, if you read my posts on pprune and elsewhere you will see that I am not comfortable at FR. I'm doing my job to a good standard of professionalisn and have no shame in admitting that I enjoy certain aspects of it, however I fully understand the reasons for the 'exodus'.

As for the hours issue, it is very rare that I fly a full week of earlies and that is in the context of a maximum hours per month of 80 over the last year. I am doing more hours this 'summer' but my max of 90 per month so far includes a standby every week. It's tiring, but Captains flying a full roster do have a much harder and more tiring time.

All gone a bit quiet....

Jumpseating to XXX recently, I've been told 330 pilots working their notice, another 110 to follow, most to EK. Rygge base down to 1 FO from 12 due to leavers, EK, Norwegian etc. Liverpool FO's applying to Jet2. Chief Pilot RC visited Emirates to ask "stop t'ievin' our feckin poiluts, you feckers" and to top it off, Chief Pilots' brother off to head up Fly Dubai...

Dung flung....please discuss/confirm/deny

BTW - Not even a glimmer of confirmation of any of the above from HR, but then why would they?

:ugh:

Amazing how history repeats itself - recall in the 1980s the Chief Pilot (designate) of Orion Airways contacting Cathay Pacific asking them not to take our pilots - they fell off the end of the phone laughing!

The light switch is on the wall near the door, will ya turn it off on ya way out, sure it will save us a few quid.

Monarch leasing?
 

Can anyone confirm that that FR are leasing off Monarch out of STN. Apparently no crew to fly some of the rotations? Great business model MOL ... or is this a cost FR are prepared to bear to get to the relief winter provides and then try to sort out their crewing issues.

Jet Airways Road Show in STN LTN DUB LGW next week. Details on the Jet Airways Web Site. Set location to UK.

Commuting contract.

what kind of money are they talking? i love to see more and more jobs for the 737, it can only mean one thing EXODUS!!

$9,500 per month net of all taxes once on reporing for training:eek:. That's right folks... $9,500 per month.

Nice hotels too. No 6 legged roomates either.

Check out the Jet Airways Web site, UK Geographic Location, Careers page for schedule of the Road Show.

Spread the word... Who knows some may want a new adventure in aviation with a commuting contract too no less.

I heard a similar rumour about three or four months ago. RYR wanted to strike some kind of deal to control the number leaving to EK or mitigate the losses in some way - although its very hard to imagine what RYR have to bargain with.
And presumably its highly unlikely that EK would want to get into bed in any way with RYR and for what possible reason? - better just to carry on taking the best of their pilots - trained, tested, experienced, thanks very much - and leave RYR with the ones they don't want, like BA and others are doing.

I also heard recently, from a senior RYR trainer, that the quality of new cadets has dropped noticeably. Furthermore, i'm lead to believe that the numbers going into fATPL training with the flying schools are at long last starting to fall too - so the good ones will be in more demand and will obviously go to the better airlines, now they're hiring.

So......if the best people out of RYR's current pilots are being taken by BA, EK and others - then, not only can they not replace like-for-like in terms of experience and command upgrade potential, but the underlying quality of their current and future pilot workforce is being eroded. Other issues could result from the fact that the airline will have a constant and abnormally high proportion of flights being for training.

However, dont despair, i'm sure they know what they're doing - otherwise they wouldn't have had the nerve to treat their workforce (i cant use the word 'employees', because they aren't) with the contempt they have over the last 2 -3 years.

leeroy great post,From my end looks like the trickle is continous it hasn't stopped,
At the start of this thread i wasn't quite sure wether an Exodus was the proper word but now i can definitely say it is the correct word to use.
I think this will only get worse ...Tip of the iceberg comes to mind..

Slightly off topic... How "safe" is the REPA website? At the end of the day, you need to identify yourself to the administrators....

Its safe as houses (structurally, that is). I would encourage anyone to join. Don't be afraid, sign up!

Oh Bugger! That's why I didn't get the job!!;):}

Fancy,

It has been tested in law, and won. Safe as safe can be.

Lots of interesting stuff on there, much more focussed discussion than we get here.

Wally.

So it seems with the FR insurrection and our own rift with management here at flybe, we've plenty in common over the coming months.

As much as I hate the tosser you have at the top, I can only wish you guys well. It's good for the industry to see you standing up and being counted. :ok:

BoeingBoy. that's priceless!!

22 resignations from lpl recently

That's rather a lot!

At least 2 more CPs in the last 10 days leaving DUB.

Morale increases with factual news like this - especially in DUB where one will see the authors of decades of disgracful Ts&Cs walk by on a daily basis.

Rumours that MOL wants to open new bases. No pilots to 'man' the new bases. MOL does NOT want to hear this. MOL despises pilots and claims there is enough! :yuk:

Rumoured recently to have thrown a briefcase at other management at some Monday meeting when being told of the scale of leavers & inadequate pilots for new bases! :ouch: Ever the Bully boy MOL!

Good riddens :D