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Dit 15th March 2012 20:47


Originally Posted by saddest aviator
The sad truth is that the average FR fo with 3000 hrs right seat in the 73 in all honesty probably has only done 90 seconds hand flying for every 1 hour in the aeroplane

I think you'll find there's a lot of f/os (and captains) around the network who love to handfly the aircraft. Workload/airspace/weather/terrain/tiredness etc dependent, the A/P, A/T and regularly the F/Ds also will all be turned off for departure/descending out of FL245, as we know our hand flying skills are valuable and need to be maintained. This will be backed up with VNAV and an ILS if available as its both SOP and, in my opinion, sensible.

There are guys round the network that are scared of visuals, but I tend to find them in the minority.

On a side note, I was under the illusion you were allowd a 2.5nm level segment in a CDA and so, if flown accurately, an FR V/S NPA would count. May well be wrong though...

Mikehotel152 15th March 2012 20:49

Well, I am an FR FO and on average I hand fly more than the Captains with whom I fly. Most can't be bothered. Why the constant criticism of FOs when, in my experience at least, it is Captains who are less likely to exercise their greater skills...

eagerbeaver1 15th March 2012 21:00

Goodness, some of you are obnoxious.

Which one of you wallies claimed they hand-fly raw data in IMC? I will have a search.

VJW - It was you. Go and read various threads concerning EK pilots, many are worried their skills are diminishing due to a lack of hand flying.

737Jock 16th March 2012 08:37

What the hell is a vertical speed (v/s) approach?

Serious question, I know of non-precision approaches and precision approaches. But both of them require a vertical speed to eventually land the aircraft on a runway.

The method you use to achieve that vertical speed doesn't matter to my simple mind (handfly, glideslope, vnav, vertical speed all the same)

16024 16th March 2012 10:33

737 Jock.
I think most people would agree with you.
You wouldn't fit in at FR.

Al Murdoch 16th March 2012 11:08

A V/S NPA? As described by Boeing?

Kernow 101 16th March 2012 14:01


What the hell is a vertical speed (v/s) approach?

Serious question, I know of non-precision approaches and precision approaches. But both of them require a vertical speed to eventually land the aircraft on a runway.

The method you use to achieve that vertical speed doesn't matter to my simple mind (handfly, glideslope, vnav, vertical speed all the same)

A V/S NPA? As described by Boeing?
:ugh::ugh: Oh god............I really have to stop coming to this site:ugh::ugh:

FCTM 5.54 onwards

root 16th March 2012 18:36

The REPA website has been updated once again. It is now much more user friendly.

All RYR, BRK, SMC pilots that have not signed up with REPA yet are encourage to go and have a look.

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