BOB,

Yes I know how substract. What I meant was no expansion for 35 aircrafts. The question then remains how many of the 85 aircraft will replace older aircrafts? Never the less, my whole point is the longer time passes by before the actual massive ekspansion how many SFO's will then be ready for DEC? Answer; More and more :)

You are absolutely right, DEC will come back but it will take time and it will never be in the same numbers as before.
Over & out.

Orangetree

wow, I had no idea you think so high of things that are so :mad: and hollow...

Anyway. The company agreed already last year they would stop with DEC. But nah... The union brought this matter to the attention to the company and agreed to agree on the statement from the company of "feeling ashamed and it will not happen again" :D Yes its amazing how much words and politics there are in this matter. The union achieved nothing (as I wrote in a post before but obviously you cant read) and that is really sad. Again, it ment nothing at all so the company will continue doing as they want. And costing money just to keep friends and politics happy. Its FUBAR :ouch:

The company totally missed the calculation of crew, yes. But telling lies and costing lots of extra money is not the way to keep a happy ship. I can only hope that top management starts cleaning up internally, so the politicians disappear. That would make the difference.

Management talks about thinking outside the box. Orangetree, have you even found that box yet? I suggest you do that before you submit a reply again. Take some time off, get your head around this and hope to talk to you when you can act as a adult.

Trying to cover up this is a huge misstake. Even thinking that it is perfectly normal managing this way. It makes me want to :yuk:

Sorry but I am standing my ground. And will never :oh:. Last orangetree, people burning out only happens in a very hot, dark place managed by Hades. And I am not the one ending up there since my conscious is clean...How is yours?

Good try E145, but you appear to have failed.

Thanks for all the input re DEC's guys and gals, didn't mean to touch a nerve though clearly I have. I agree the company should promote those already in the RHS with required experience etc, thats what career progression is all about and without which I'd still be an FO..... which would be great at the moment given what happened to my last employer! I know it's frustrating to hang around waiting for that first command especially when people like me come straight into the LHS but that seems to have been addressed and at least it seems easy are going in the right direction as a company on that score. Requirements for DEC's will always change with market conditions so hopefully after all you aspiring Captains have the correct seat there'll be a job for me. Now where was the job centre again...?

I wish my local served what the Viking chap's been drinking. Doesn't seem to very good for the blood pressure though.
Here's one for you Viking: Start watching the news, start reading what's sent to you and on other parts of this forum, then go give yourself a good shake.

Here I am again to take this thread to the first line !
I have heard on other forums about no hiring expected for EasyJet in 2009!!
Anyone can comment on that?
Thanks
Bubair

Consolidation...
 

Yep, obviously no physical growth of the EZY-fleet for 2009, some "old" 737s, A321s and A319s to leave, yet replaced by "new" A319s...

No recruitment plans for the foreseable future.

What about FOs in the Hold Pool? Or do you mean no more recruitment to fill the Hold Pool?

The latest missive from The orange hangar suggests that disposal of some 320's, 321s and 737s will be equal to the new 319 / 320 deliveries hence no growth. There might still be people leaving to go to pastures new but essentially, the number of people coming into the company will be significantly reduced over the next year.

and there will be about 20 'laid off' cadets to accomodate before they get near the hold pool.

737 course in December.

Over 100 in hold pool including trss and direct entry

Hi Carbheatin,

I hope you don't me asking, but where did you find out the information regarding the numbers in the Hold pool and the 737 course in December?

Do you know if the guys in the pool have any way of finding out what is happening. I believe that next year at EZY, they will struggle to break even, and they are selling several aircraft, so I just don't see when any of us are going to get called forward in the foreseeable future.

My assessment was back in July and that was to be based in MXP (Milan). I have heard nothing from the Easy recruitment team, and I was just wondering if you had any idea what may be going on?

Thanks mate. I'm just glad to have a job at the moment, but there is so much uncertainty within the industry. I just hope that there is not a time limit in the Hold Pool, where we may have to reapply, if a position does not become available.

Good luck and keep in touch mate.

Cheers,

Solo

Solo, yes selling aircraft and handing back leases, but getting new-built airframes from Finkenwerder, so the total number will be more or less the same as now.

As a sidenote, there is a very long, internal waiting list for MXP, but the base is also expanding a lot.

Reallyannoyed,

Many thanks for your reply mate. I guess I'm going to be sitting in the pool until way into next year.

Is it still the case that there will be a 737 course in December?

Just a case of sitting tight and holding on to our present jobs until things improve next year with Ezy

Many thanks once again.

Cheers,

Solo.

Its going to be a long wait. Taking on those GB guys has really slown it down.

And from what im hearing their not great!!

GB pilots not great?
 

Just for clarification, the correct phrase would be "they're not great"....

Perhaps you might like to clarify what awful things you have heard about us GB pilots tenth hand?:=

Fingers crossed they don't add an english test to the Easyjet joining process.... Smile....:ok:

Maybe Bahee was confusing the highly trained and professional GB crews and the ATP pay to fly guys?

Let's be absolutely clear, once and for all, about this. I am a current EZY pilot and trainer, and all our colleagues formally of GB, that I have met, are as professional and competant as any of our other pilots - highly so.

gbpilot74: How's your spanish?

You obviously don't appreciate that working in a multi lingual airline/industry will sometimes lead to such dreadful mis-spelling or grammatical errors!!

What a cheap shot at Bahee.

Hopefully BALPA can help you guys with your quarrel.

They have been so supportive and strong for us at EZY. Really made a difference..... :yuk:

I know you were tongue in cheek but..... the words BALPA and help in same sentence???

what's happening?
 

hi, considering moving to orange, i know you guys have a private forum where internal stuff is discussed more in detail but would be interesting for the likes of myself to understand what is happening.. rumours i heard is to make you pay transportation to sim and other "pay cuts", cost savings from management that do remind me of what's happening with another lo-co, what is really going on?

Management as always will try and save where they can, normally targeting crew, but I can assure you that those rumours you are hearing are all non starters as they would have to be voted on. The feeling I am getting is that they wouldnt pass in a million years.:ok:

and can you vote against redunduncy and financial crisis mate? :\

spanish lessons
 

Apoligies. My english is not to good. I hope you dont disgininate against Spanish pilots at easy.

I believe we will all be ok. Easy have plenty of money aside to get through this hard time.

You still grinding that axe cloudy? Ezy can't guarantee there will be no flight deck redundancies, which is a sobering thought when you consider how big and financially secure an airline it is. I'd spend more time and energy worrying about your own job security if I were you.

Bon chance, we will all need it.

thanks for your answer "Bite Mort", DB is waiting for some new CRJ1000s, which is good news. Anyway, I have joined the mainline now. I will try to follow your advices and worry a bit about my airline :}

Does this mean you won't be joining ezy?:eek:

I don't think so :}:}
...Unless I fail during the training in AF :O

Or unless I am fed up with AF and I want to do 4 sectors a day with 25 min turnaround, reporting extremely early in the night morning and to come back home very late in the afternoon or reporting at midday to come back very late after 01:00AM, in an A320 all my life, with MINIMUM FUEL (ALWAYS), flying with foreigners, with ugly hostesses... We never know :sad:

Enjoy Easyjet :oh: (good luck for dreaming BA, Virgin, Cathay, Qatar, Korean,....)

Maybe you will fail if you spend all of your time here instead of studying for your new position.

I don't see why you insist on dragging easyjet through the dirt on here and constantly putting people down who work for them, going on and on about big airlines being so great to work for.

Why don't you grow up a bit, you work for a large professional airline, so try acting like you do and not like a child who is always trying to get one over on his friends in the playground at school.

I'd hate to think of any of my friends or family being flown by somebody like you.

Im glad to see nuageblanc didnt add Air France to the list of dream airlines, at least he has got something right!;)

Top tip nuage, always be nice while climbing the greasy pole as you never know who you will meet on the way back down!:ok:

Hes right about the hosties though. :D

And the rest.

Just to correct a few inaccuracies that have arisen -

nuageblanc - your own personal inadequacies are allowing the truth to get in the way of a good story. EasyJet do not ALWAYS take minimum fuel. EasyJet policy is to carry Computerised Flight Plan (CFP) fuel - pilots should have a specific purpose to carry extra. Extra fuel is only carried if there is a strong possibility of it being used – ie thunderstorms in the vicintiy, destination weather at or near limits, an unscheduled runway closure due weather, x-wind, contaminated runways, ATC dep/arr delays, poss extra approaches at destination or forecast icing en-route. In practice that means if the Commander has a sensible reason for taking extra fuel he does so - I do it often for any of the above reasons and have never, ever had a single comment made of any kind. I see nothing unsafe or unreasonable in the above policy - it is just plain common sense.

Regarding the comments about GB pilots, I used to work for GB and came to easyJet nearly 5 years ago as a volunteer. I have worked for both companies for several years and have found both to be friendly, professional and hard-working. There have indeed been some teething problems in the integration process, but overall it has been a great success. The vast majority of GB pilots are glad to be at easyJet in the current climate and although some of the more senior (a relative handful) of their pilots have lost out financially, a whole lot more have done very well. Like any airline we have our pressures in the current climate, but overall it is a great place to be - not surprisingly there is a huge queue of pilots waiting to join us. It is the intention of all pilots at easyJet, from whatever background, to join together to ensure that the conditions we currently enjoy are not eroded due to ill-considered and precipitous action by over-zealous managers. Any pressures we currently face have had the effect of uniting all pilots together and that is being reflected in the growth of our union membership. I am personally delighted our ex-GB colleagues are with us and fully expect to have a long and happy career flying besides them. In a very short time, there will be no talk of GB Airways - just a larger group of easyJet pilots.

I hope that clarifies any doubts that may have been raised.

Well said, NSF, but I fear you have worn your typing finger to no good purpose. Big Chief White Cloud is a well-known troll.

Well said NSF, i agree. Forget about GB

Cloudy, they have hosties in microsoft flight sim these days? Amazing.

Anyway, :zzz:

Back to the thread. Good luck to those swimming, hope you get some positive news soon.

Nuageblanc, easyJet is full of pilots from these airlines (perhaps not Korean) and you can also add BMI, Emirates, Singapore, SAAF, USAF and the RAF to your 'dreaming' list :}

Plus I'd really like to be working for ezy for it is a nice work pattern most of the time to be home after your duty