Roster optimisation has never worked anywhere else. Easy will be no different.

Expect a year of misery.... at least.

And the winner is......CTC CADETS
 

From pmail ezy:"

Recruitment holding pools
Given that we are not planning any permanent recruitment for our Summer 2009 flying programme we
have taken the opportunity to review our procedures with regards to the recruitment holding pools. We
have with immediate effect enacted the following changes:

• Each pilot application in the recruitment holding pool has been reviewed and their status
confirmed. To remain in the recruitment holding pool pilots have been reminded that all details
must be up to date and that it is their responsibility to do so.

• All pilot details will be held on our database for a period of 24 months after the assessment date,
thereafter, their details will be deleted from the system.

• Whilst the validity period to remain in the holding pool has been restricted to a rolling 24 month
period a pilot may, once removed re apply for consideration again.

Please be aware that we are not currently recruitment for pilots into the hold pool and as such all pilot
recruitment activity has ceased.
AND THE TOP OF THE PMAIL:"
First Officer requirements for Summer 2009
Summary:
Whilst there is currently no permanent external recruitment of pilots planned to meet our 2009
requirements we are still seeking low cost ways of ensuring we have sufficient pilots to meet our summer
peak. Our objective is to minimise cost by aligning future base pilot establishment to winter numbers.
Therefore the additional pilots that are required for this Summer (FO’s) will enter through a modified CTC
cadet scheme or through other approved suppliers on a flexible contract basis.

Timescale:
We have accepted the first 22 cadets for the Summer programme on a Flexi-Crew contract scheme. They
will not be employees of easyJet. We are still finalising the other requirements with our suppliers.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:DLIKE THE OTHERS AIRLINES BUT IN MORE RUDE

I told you !! I told you, guys !!!!
Low cost are the worst place to be.
2009 will reduce ryanair and easyjet's fleet by half.

As I said before: GET OUT OF THAT !!!! ! :D

Guillaume (AF)

JPHIL68

Might be an idea to keep our pmail news on our own forum otherwise you will almost certainly attract more rubbish like the above post!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Too bad there were not more own ezy FOs with a CPI date earlier than nov 2007- now they all have to wait another year for their upgrade :(

pmail is unrestricted information within a company. But outside its regarded as restricted, or even classified. Please keep this info, whatever it might be and in exact words, within you own company. For your own sake, and your employers sake.

JPHIL68


Forgive me if you were being sarcastic but I can assure that CTC cadets don't feel like they have won anything.

A320TR - YES, 400-500hrs on type - YES, unemployment after 6 months with no means of paying back 70-80k of debt - YES

Nobody wins

The few that have made it into Aer Lingus have won something and fair play to them too!

Your telling me that if after 6 months with easyJet, if they loose that job and CTC dont find them any other work, they still have to cough up 60-70K to CTC

Not CTC, but (in the vast majority of cases) HSBC.

Yep, its an unsecured loan with HSBC. You can ask HSBC to defer the repayments for 6 months or so but usually no longer than that

No, CTC write it off as a bad debt and HBOS cover it willingly. :ugh:

Bla bla bla bla bla bla but the worst point for us it s the poor comunication regarding peoples in the pool...it s a shame ....w

refuse a job with 70-80k bedt in the curent climate??? get real

Bit of an update for those interested...

I have heard from a very reliable source that easyJet will be taking on a number of their former ATP Scheme pilots over the Summer on temporary contracts. As many of will be aware, EasyJet disposed of 22 'unwanted' CTC cadets at the end of last Summer - a number of those now have employment elsewhere. All those that do not have jobs, and who came up to scratch, will be offered temporary summer contracts. In addition to those, there are around 70 CTC cadets finishing training who will also be given 6 months with us and then dumped unceremoniously in September.

The more interesting bit concerns a number of pilots, who were trained under the pay-to-fly ATP Scheme last year. Apparently under an organisation called 'Sigma', they are being re-employed as salary-earning pilots for Summer 2009. That is most definitely not what was envisioned last year when this scheme came into being. We were assured that no jobs would be given to the likes of Flying Clara - it would appear 'she' knew more than we thought! Interesting times indeed.

Temporary contracts, temporary commands, lower pay, working longer hours: Low-Cost, the McDonaldization of aviation.

"Is that type rating for here, or to go?" :=

blablabla....in fact easyjet or ryanair look to be the same .......and for us in the holdingpool it s a nightmare

thank s a lot easyjet board... poor communication no respectand more and more.........:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::m ad::mad:

Capt Clarence

Just talk to some of those who were 'Dumped' last summer. They were all told a similar story to you by CTC and then got shafted.

Hold Pool
 

Received the email from Ezy to say that my details will held for 24 months from the time of assessment and there will be no external F/O's taken on in 2009 from the Hold Pool.

Reading between the lines I think we are watching the whole pilot recruitment process changing in front of our eyes. So much for all of us with Jet time and a bit of life experience! It all comes down to money and not the best person for the job! It's all about the bare minimum in terms of experience and criteria; and as long as those basics are met, why pay for an experienced guy, who would want a permanent contract and a half decent salary?

The attitude is take or leave it! If you've got a mortgage, wife and children, forget it! What the airlines want is guys paying for their own line training, type rating, etc and being paid peanuts, whilst living in a bedsit, or sleeping in their cars in the staff car park, as they don't have the money to have a decent standard of living. Most of them will be single, with little or no commitments, and that is perfect for the airlines.

Will BALPA step in and try to negotiate some kind of middle ground between experienced pilots and CTC/Cadet/ATP scheme type people is anyones guess. I think BALPA are powerless, if the airlines are working within the EU employment guidelines, and therefore they could employ whoever and do whatever they want.

I have been flying for an airline for only a few years, but already, all I have seen, are negatives. This global recession, is perfect ammunition for the airlines, to say that all these cut backs are necessary, and if the T's & C's are not eroded even further, that will be it and we will all be out of a job etc etc. The same with the oil prices in July 2008 etc. The airlines have seen a fantastic decade of economic growth since 1998 and apart from 9/11 which really only affected the medium/long haul carriers for a while, we have all seen as a casual observer, how much air travel has boomed. I don't seem remember all the T's & C's reflecting all the good times that we have experienced since the late nineties.

The managers continue to take their bonuses, and no matter what happens to the company, they move on to another airline and assist in messing that up for everyone concerned, whilst they continue to take their golden hand shakes and the rest of us (Pilots) scrap for a contract in eastern Europe or Africa to pay for a mortgage for our families, back home.

Maybe I'm old fashioned and I'm expecting too much from my current and future employers. Gordon Brown and all his cronies want us to work and get an education or training to keep us in employment, for all the obvious reasons, etc, however, when the training costs and personal sacrifices that we have all made are out weighed by the benefits, how are we meant to live in a modern Britain. I'm sure that I speak for the vast majority of us, that we all want to better ourselves, whether it be a nice house, car, or just a better standard of living for our familes or at least ourselves as individuals. We all have ambitions to move up the ladder of life, but if the Lo-co's and if the other airlines who follow their lead, in eroding everything that we have worked for; how do we move onwards and upwards, if all we get at the end of it, is a seasonal contract or we are replaced by guys who are willing to work for nothing, at any cost?

If, this is the future of aviation, well, where we all go from here, I just don't know? What really worries me though, is the MOL's of this world simply don't care about you and I. If, you like it you know what you can do etc. Great! We are just an inconvenience expense, who requires paying every month and training every 6 months. Call me cynical, but I really hope I'm wrong, and you can all right your threads in the future, and tell me how great the world of aviation is, and how I got it completely wrong.

S.

Oh please. They obvioulsy attained the standard, otherwise they wouldnt be given this chance so why the grip? The news that jobs are available should be encouraging and not the opportunity to have a moan.

Just because they put the effort in and are now being offered this opportunity you want to critisize them? I really thought you were above that Fletch. :=

JPHIL68
The difference (for the moment at least :hmm: ) between Ryan & Easy is at least following your training @ Ryanair you are given an open ended contract not merely seasonal.
Unfortunately, you will in all liklehood only be employed as "a contractor" , which throws up (:yuk: ) a whole lot of other problems, and if this year is a foretaste of things to come, you will probably spend a month ( or several ) next winter with no pay. Same sh1t different flavor I hear you say, and indeed who am I to contradict such an erudite observation. :rolleyes:

solo si 2

Unfortunately, try as I might, I cannot contradict your cynical but entirely accurate assesment of this profession in 2009. It is finished. :{

ed boy

It's not about operator standards its about the reduction of our T&C's. What do you think easyJet F/O's are doing while the pay to fly guys are flying the line? earning sector pay? :ugh:

Well unless something drastic happens, in a positive way, I cant see any of us TRSS lads getting a start within two years.

As Capt. Darling said:- Wrote a note in my diary. Simply says, "Bugger".

ATP have moved on to BMi so I believe EZY T&C's unaffected and as no-one is paying to fly the line then sector pay aint affected either. Now at BMi, that's a different story, but this thread is not about BMi... :ugh: to you too mate :E

I can confirm what NSF says. I have met an ex ATPer who has been given a 6 month contract. At the end of the day chaps, anyone who knows the EZY operation and SOPs is going to be high on the priority list regardless of where they hail from.

Captain Clarence - I can give you a cast-iron guarantee that your CTC contract will only be temporary at easyJet this year. You will NOT be offered a permanent contract in September. CTC knows that to be true and should not pretend otherwise.

easyjet=ryanair
Broofield=Flexi crew CTC
low cost= !!!! future
Cheap ryanair wannabes= cheap easyjet wannabes

Put your trouser down and smile (be aware of penetration without vaseline) ;)

and balpa=my ass

Well its not only the CTC cadetts that has a tough part in this.

easyJet has lots of SFOs that have been waiting for their upgrade since last summer but never got them because the airline hired DEC from.... CTC.

And yes, they will come back flying this summer too on their contracts keeping the SFOs still in the RHS, looking after some of them... Happy summer 2009 :{

CaptainClarenceOver - Right now I would say there is zero possibility of the summer contracts being extended into the winter. That could change but it does not look likely at the moment. I am not a recruiter, but I spoke to one last week who emphasised that there will be no permanent contracts for new pilots this year. Regarding taking on 400hr pilots, we are taking that experience level and lower right now - if you have a type-rating and are willing to accept a temporary contract for the summer. The new 'Sigma' scheme, for example, will take people with 150 hours of line training with easyJet under last year's ATP 'pay-to-fly' scheme, and pay them some sort of daily rate as required. In other words, it is a shocking rip-off, and yet one which you cannot afford to turn down if you are a low-houred pilot. I wish it was brighter but that is the deal right now.

seasexsun - Thanks for your fascinating insight into our world. Probably best keep to remain silent and be thought a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt. If you will not join BALPA, you are part of the problem and can never be part of the solution. Not to join is your right, but never, ever, ever complain when the terms and conditions of the airlines you fly for go downhill. The only reason why we have yet to plumb the hideous depths that Ryanair have in employee treatment is due to the presence of a 70%+ BALPA membership at easyJet. If that were 95%+, we would not be having this thread right now, as there would be no temporary contracts at all. Don't complain about any aspect of Ryanair or easyJet unless you are willing to stand in line, pay your 1% and fight with other BALPA members to stop the rot.

Norman, seasexsun is spot on. As I said a few posts ago, low-cost is the McDonaldization of aviation.

BALPA have absolutely squandered their credibility and high % of membership that they had a few years ago (remember that a lot of pilots joined when they offered us that lousy pay deal in 2005?) by rolling over trying to appease management.

IMHO, the introduction of local contracts in MAD was the thin edge of the wedge that started the beginning of the end for BALPA in easyJet. Most continental based pilots are left to fend for themselves (just look at DTM & SXF!) and as the number of continental based pilots gets bigger and bigger, BALPA's membership (and leverage!) gets proportionately smaller and smaller.

As the saying goes: "one has to strike when the iron is hot," and BALPA absolutely failed to do so during the economic boom years.

Across in Ryanair, BALPA are also in grave danger of losing all credibility if something isn't offered in response to the recent pay "deals":hmm: being "offered" ;) .
Like Ryanair, your problems with union representation are only just beginning as you open more continental bases.
The setting up of REPA as a communication medium was a step in the right direction as far as a common goal is concerned. Rather more difficult is finding a way for several European unions to act together in harmony. Eurocockpit were supposed to have made progress here, but I see no evidence of it.
As usual in the European environment, harmonisation is bulldozed through in areas where there is money to be collected from individuals, but in areas like harmonisation of social/medical rights it is woefully stone age.
Union representation is in a similar epoque, and until it progresses, companies like Ryanair, and now Easy Jet ,will continue to make hay whilst the sun shines and profit from the lack of cohesive response from their geographically scattered ( and contractually divided) employee groups. Lets be frank, we would be surprised if they didn't. :*

FC

You better get used to hearing the words " I HAVE CONTROL ". :E:E

Clara,

I hope you never see the crew room

Doug the Head - I do not accept your characterisation of BALPA's role in easyJet. Nor do I accept the view of catplaystation that there is a lack of cohesive response by BALPA to easyJet's plans. We have in excess of 70% membership and that is enough to fight a powerful rearguard action, but not enough to take on the company head-on over issues like seasonality. It is no coincidence that at Virgin and BA (95%+ membership?) these issues are simply not up for discussion. At Ryanair and Jet2, who have no effective union representation, absolutely anything is up for discussion! We are somewhere in the middle and - surprise, surprise - have a mediocre set of terms and conditions. There is a direct correlation between union represenation and achieving good terms and conditons.

To clear up a few myths - at easyJet BALPA are not in the pocket of the company. BALPA is, at the end of the day, a group of pilots chosen by their peers to go and fight on our behalf in the presence of our management. They are only as powerful as the mandate they are given. Also, BALPA has not squandereed all credibility with the workforce - they have won battle after battle that goes sadly un-noticed. The bottom line is this - if you do not join BALPA and fight with your colleagues you have lost the right to speak or raise a word of complaint about a single issue affecting your terms and conditions. When you decide to stand with your colleagues in a collective manner that helps them rather than hinders them, then you have a voice.

There is much that is right about easyJet and we should rejoice at that without resting on our laurels. Our union reps are fighting tooth and nail in a vicious fight with short-termist, bonus-hunting managers who have no real interest in the long-term viability of the airline. We simply must give them the ammunition to win that fight by joining BALPA.

Norman, by lack of cohesive response I was thinking in European terms i.e with the right percentage of UK pilots as members, you are able to respond to the company effectively in respect of UK contracted bods ( something that could be easily achieved within Ryanair too , if BALPA and the UK based pilots would only bite the bullet.)
However, like Ryanair, the more you expand in Europe, the more difficult it is to present a unified response to the company representing all pilots ( as has been proven by the pushing through of Ryanairesque different conditions in Madrid & Germany) Happily for your europilots, the collapse of the pound has left them probably better off than if they had originally been contracted in Sterling, but I am led to believe that their contract is not so favourable in other respects. It is not the fault of BALPA, or indeed your Easy BALPA reps, it is a Europe wide problem that is of course exploited by any company with this mindset. As usual, when it is only a loss to the menial employee, the Eurocrats seem in no hurry to introduce any beneficial legislation. These differing contracts are the foot in the door to "divide & conquer", look at the RYR situation to see where it can go. All the new terms & conditions being proposed to new (fixed period ) hires are just the logical extension of this "sucessful" policy, look to the yellow & blue team to see the ultimate expression of the art.

What planet is he/she on

I would like to point out that he/she has to pass an LPC/OPC to the required standard and, given the experiences I had last year of trying to train some of these people, that is very far from a foregone conclusion. Some of them were good, the majority were mediocre and some, frankly, had no business being on the flight deck of an airliner. As NSF said, interesting times. We shall see.

Unfortunately wingswinger , like the dutch guys who were recruited 2 years ago without the ezy interview or sim ride ,; some of these people will make the line and then its us poor line caps that have to deal with them day in day out .

Clara, honestly, what will you do after summer? You must be at least slightly disappointed not having been offered a normal contract? No?

I guess she'll go back to being some easyJet training captains plaything:yuk:

Hello,

Being F/O on A320 with more than 2000 hours on type, where or with wich agency I 've to apply in order to get a summer contract with Easyjet.
Is it with Parc or CTC? have they already started their recruitment?
With an Easyjet summer contract would it possible to be based in mainland in europe(france, spain, Italie, Geneva...)

Thank you for all informations.