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Originally Posted by Chief Willy
(Post 11177312)
Many in BA would argue that you are the entitled one, wanting a direct spot on a nice new 787 rather than “doing your time” on the 320 fleet like those who have given years of service to BA already.
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
(Post 11177132)
so why didn’t this work for all the non Seniority airlines out there? Afaik in the U.K., only Virgin and BA are legacy seniority airlines; why isn’t your hypothesis playing out between wizz Ryan and easy?
RYR do pay poor yes but they have jumped on the pay and offer a chance to go FO SFI that pays, surprise surprise £104k a year. |
Originally Posted by Chief Willy
(Post 11177312)
The BACC did try and save everyone. And every BA pilot I spoke to would have happily paid more to save everyone. You need to vent your anger at BA. BA seemed to want forced redundancies for reasons I will never understand.
I think the goals of the BACC (protect T&C) and the views of the community (happy to take a pay cut to an extent to protect jobs) may differ slightly… Despite the time of my posts, I have only positive feelings towards the community as a general, I do however have 0 trust in the BACC and do not agree with how the consultation was handled. |
Originally Posted by Plastic787
(Post 11177314)
says the guy wanting to skip the queue of over 200 FOs who’ve done their time on SH and been patiently waiting 6+ years. It sucks that you got made redundant I’d never tell you otherwise but that does not give you the right to trample all over my career aspirations and disadvantage me and plenty of others on your way back in. You can backfill my seat on SH thanks and if you don’t want it then you can’t be that desperate for a job after all.
the more PRP that skip the airbus FO’s with the attitude you have and who only just scraped past the cutoff, onto long haul, the better as far as I’m concerned. |
Originally Posted by balpalover69
(Post 11177429)
I mean, I don’t see the issue here, whilst you’ve been ‘patiently wating’ most of us have been sat on him on comparatively little or in some cases 0 pay.
the more PRP that skip the airbus FO’s with the attitude you have and who only just scraped past the cutoff, onto long haul, the better as far as I’m concerned. |
Originally Posted by Plastic787
(Post 11177432)
Scraped past the cutoff despite having close to 1000 people below me. That’s like Usain Bolt scraping to victory in the 2008 mens 100m final. I have every sympathy for your situation, everybody wants you back, including me but just because you have suffered the horrible injustice of redundancy you do not deserve to have Long Haul seats ahead of those more senior pilots to you with valid bids. That’s the issue here. Surely if your situation has been so bad you’d be happy filling ANY seat, not promoting jumping past the seniority system. That speaks volumes as to your real intentions here. I’ll leave it there because I’m frankly getting pretty sick of it now. As others (not just me) have pointed out, there is only one viewpoint coming across as entitled here.
I don’t know if you’re missing my point on purpose or not, but my point is your attitude comes off as rather entitled when people have clearly suffered much worse than you, and I’d sooner see PRP jump airbus FO’s with the same views. I don’t care what fleet I go back on, A380 or the Dash-8 if they had it, I want to get back to flying. 1000 below you is quite different from your sympathy narrative earlier if you’re ‘restless nights’ sue to being at risk of redundancy… There has always been DEP LH recruitment at BA, I don’t know why the airbus FO’s seem to be piping up about it now specifically. I’d have thought getting people (your old colleagues by the way) back to where they want would be higher up the agenda. |
You can't reason with somebody like Plastic. His tone speaks volumes. He feels hard done by. He feels entitled. He despises anybody who dares to take his LH job. Earlier, Plastic was telling us how he feared for his job. Now Plastic tells us he's 1,000 places up the Seniority list. The thing is with people like Plastic, they fail to see the realities of life outside of BA.
I wish you all the best in your pursuit for LH happiness, Plastic. Let's hope you find yourself on the right fleet. |
Originally Posted by Plastic787
(Post 11177479)
in which case you should have no issue with internal bidders being allowed to move and you backfilling our seats. If that’s the case I can’t even see why we’re having this discussion. A vacancy is a vacancy.
Guess where I was based and there’s your answer. We’ve been “piping up about it” for a long time now actually. It not only disadvantages the pilot concerned who is not able to move it then has a detrimental impact on every Airbus FO on the status list below that person as they are not able to move upwards on the status list and enjoy the benefits of better rostering (quite important in JSS). I am far from the only person concerned about this and Balpa are aware of this (not that it’ll make any difference as alluded to above). This really is my last post on the subject: we will never see eye to eye because you clearly (despite applying for an almost overwhelmingly seniority based airline) have no respect for seniority and want to bend things to your whim. Your attitude is contradictory at best and yet you and BAreject have the utter audacity to claim that I sound entitled. So ironic it’s almost spit out your tea with laughter territory. You keep falling back on ‘seniority based airlines’ and ‘you know you would have been made redundant first’, but neglecting the fact that we are also told ‘BA has never made a pilot redundant’ during both assessment days and inductions. I don’t think it’s just me and BA reject, you come from what was a technically redundant base, move into a seat where a colleague (who was not in a redundant seat) has been thrown out, and you’re here harping on about ‘your long haul move’ which isn’t materialising like you clearly wish it had. To me this smacks of entitlement. But what do I know? whilst I’m here, redundancy is generally a term for someone in a role which is ‘redundant’, I myself wasn’t in a technically redundant role so naturally don’t take kindly when someone who was technically redundant incessantly talks down on me. |
Seems a ridiculous back and forth when BA have been recruiting direct onto long haul for years. The reality is nobody wants to work SH at BA and to even get people in the door pre COVID they had to offer straight to LH, delaying the move for all of the SH pilots in the process. This isn't new.
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Just give it a year, there's a clause in the Pension scheme that expires in March next year. To take advantage of transferring the BAPP savings into NAPS AVCs and taking it as part of the tax free lump sum element, anyone who hasn't reached their NRD will need to leave BA.
The demographic in some departments is heavily weighted to p1ssed off over 55s who may well want to take advantage of this. |
Originally Posted by HOVIS
(Post 11177683)
Just give it a year, there's a clause in the Pension scheme that expires in March next year. To take advantage of transferring the BAPP savings into NAPS AVCs and taking it as part of the tax free lump sum element, anyone who hasn't reached their NRD will need to leave BA.
The demographic in some departments is heavily weighted to p1ssed off over 55s who may well want to take advantage of this. |
5% (more in some cases) bonus for all staff - sure that makes everyone who got the chop feel better...:ugh:
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Welcome to BA mate…..at least you’re getting an insight as to how the company works.
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Originally Posted by Busdriver01
(Post 11184286)
5% (more in some cases) bonus for all staff - sure that makes everyone who got the chop feel better...:ugh:
edit: satire before anyone becomes too upset |
Originally Posted by balpalover69
(Post 11184378)
‘In new turn of events, Balpa negotiates waiving bonus to bring back all 249 redundant pilots’
Also satire, but perhaps not too far from the truth... |
Originally Posted by Busdriver01
(Post 11184286)
5% (more in some cases) bonus for all staff - sure that makes everyone who got the chop feel better...:ugh:
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Cabin crew?
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Sorry to repeat myself, but it does remind me of that old joke I was told 30 odd years ago upon joining BA about the company offering a 5% pay rise but BALPA was holding out for 3%.
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Originally Posted by AdrianShaftsworthy
(Post 11184529)
Cabin crew?
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Anymore news about what's going on at BA regarding further recruitment? Rumours that there have been further heathrow courses behind the CRS. Anyone got insider information ... when will the recruitment faucet completely open?
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