Thanks for the info, much appreciated!
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It took a few weeks after the assessment day to get offered a course for my first choice of base. FYI non type rated FOs are being offered 75% contracts if they don’t have any previous Boeing or Airbus experience.
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Originally Posted by go-around flap 15
(Post 11528522)
My input - as someone that lives just on the border of the 1:30 commute time allowable by the company but chooses to rent a bolthole nearby for consecutive days of flying. Some crew commute 1:30 each way every day. I don't believe this is feasible long term as the fatigue effects on the body are unsustainable in peak summer roster periods (in my opinion having attempted it previously!)
Peak summer: (late June/July/August/early September) I generally manage 60% of the nights in a month in my own bed by driving up to start the run of duties day 1, and driving home after landing the final day. [~15 days a month of flying not incl. standbys] Spring/Autumn: 80% of nights in my own bed a month. [~8 days of flying per month not incl. standbys] Winter: 95% of nights per month in my own bed [~3-5 days of flying per month not incl. standbys] Hope that helps. A word of advice though is that the company has been keen to make sure that those that live on the cusp of/outside the commutable distance as per the contract have made arrangements to stay closer to the airport before a flying/standby duty. There have been instances this year of delays due to crew pushing the limits on the 60 mile / 90 minute rule. |
Originally Posted by flyboy146
(Post 11530858)
It is not legally enforceable for a company to determine where an employee resides. Even in if it’s in the contract.
So you can choose to live as far away as you want but you’d better not have travelled more than 90 mins to work if something goes wrong that day. That’s why the rule is there. |
Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
(Post 11530862)
Maybe not, but it is perfectly legal to require a crew member to be no more than 90 minutes travel time to the airport for rest reasons. Ask the CAA.
So you can choose to live as far away as you want but you’d better have not have travelled more than 90 mins to work if something goes wrong that day. That’s why the rule is there. |
Originally Posted by flyboy146
(Post 11530867)
No doubt it is a legal requirement to be well rested for your duty. That judgement is on the crew member only. The 90 minutes is moot and not enforceable.What is the 90 mins based on? One could easily get stuck in traffic on a 60 minute journey which could then take 91 minutes - so what? You call fatigued because it’s “not legal”? Of course not. The CAA would say its based on the judgement of the crew member as it has always been and that’s why it is on the crew member to judge fatigue levels in a non punitive fashion.
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What you’re both missing is where is “work”? For jet2 it’s the crew room. So if you’re Manchester based and in staff south you can actually only live about 45 mins from the airport for the 90 mins to work.
The whole thing isn’t legally enforceable, but that doesn’t really matter if you want a peaceful existence. |
Originally Posted by Jonty
(Post 11531008)
What you’re both missing is where is “work”? For jet2 it’s the crew room. So if you’re Manchester based and in staff south you can actually only live about 45 mins from the airport for the 90 mins to work.
The whole thing isn’t legally enforceable, but that doesn’t really matter if you want a peaceful existence. When you actually have to leave home to get to the crew room in order not to be late for your report, is a separate matter. Which obviously varies on report time, day of the week, road works, security queues etc etc etc Not sure what you mean by "legally enforceable" but if your place of rest doesn't meet the contractual requirements (which you signed). Then you would be in breach of contract, which could lead to disciplinary actions. |
Not sure what the 90 minutes is all about? My contract says, live within 60 miles or 75 mins of base. That’s a duty of care for fatigue purposes. Standby callout is 2 hours.
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Originally Posted by 737 Jockey
(Post 11531557)
Not sure what the 90 minutes is all about? My contract says, live within 60 miles or 75 mins of base. That’s a duty of care for fatigue purposes. Standby callout is 2 hours.
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It's nothing to do with contracts, it's to comply with this FTL guidance material:
GM1 CS FTL.1.200 Home base TRAVELLING TIME Crew members should consider making arrangements for temporary accommodation closer to their home base if the travelling time from their residence to their home base usually exceeds 90 minutes. (My underlining) Of course different contracts may have more restrictive rules and mine certainly did when I joined - whether those are enforceable is debatable. To paraphrase Mr Good Cat, live wherever you want but if you have an incident then it would be wise to have proof that you didn't drive in that day from your house that's 2 hours away. I've had a letter from Jet2 asking me to consider my accommodation arrangements, as the permanent address they held for me was 5 hours travel time from my base, so they must audit it occasionally. As ever, it's unlikely to be a problem until other factors make it a problem. I honestly don't know where it's defined, but I've always been under the impression that the staff car park is the place that matters, not the crew room (as it's so variable by airline and base). Hence why standby callout is 2 hours to the car park. i.e. 30 minutes to get out of the house and your 90 minutes travel time. |
Originally Posted by k737
(Post 11531615)
It's nothing to do with contracts, it's to comply with this FTL guidance material:
GM1 CS FTL.1.200 Home base TRAVELLING TIME Crew members should consider making arrangements for temporary accommodation closer to their home base if the travelling time from their residence to their home base usually exceeds 90 minutes. (My underlining) Of course different contracts may have more restrictive rules and mine certainly did when I joined - whether those are enforceable is debatable. To paraphrase Mr Good Cat, live wherever you want but if you have an incident then it would be wise to have proof that you didn't drive in that day from your house that's 2 hours away. I've had a letter from Jet2 asking me to consider my accommodation arrangements, as the permanent address they held for me was 5 hours travel time from my base, so they must audit it occasionally. As ever, it's unlikely to be a problem until other factors make it a problem. I honestly don't know where it's defined, but I've always been under the impression that the staff car park is the place that matters, not the crew room (as it's so variable by airline and base). Hence why standby callout is 2 hours to the car park. i.e. 30 minutes to get out of the house and your 90 minutes travel time. The reason it's stipulated in the employment contracts, is because of the fatigue management scheme, which is based on the guidance issued from EASA you quoted. Anyway that's enough thread drift from me |
EZY to J2
Has anyone here gone from EZY to J2 who can share their opinions for fellow colleagues weighing up options and life considerations for potential ship jumping, before they give up all hope entirely and just take up pig farming or become a local dog walking alcoholic.
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Originally Posted by dhc1180
(Post 11532282)
Has anyone here gone from EZY to J2 who can share their opinions for fellow colleagues weighing up options and life considerations for potential ship jumping, before they give up all hope entirely and just take up pig farming or become a local dog walking alcoholic.
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Goof handful of exEzy at my base. All are happy and looking forward to the 'Bus.
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Sorry if it's been mentioned already. What chance for the Airbus at STN in the next year?
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Originally Posted by CW247
(Post 11533067)
Sorry if it's been mentioned already. What chance for the Airbus at STN in the next year?
Think it has been mentioned above. 2026 is the earliest date for the bus at STN unfortunately. EDI is set to receive 3 next year I believe. With the 4/5 hour sectors of our bread & butter Canaries/Turkey/Greek routes, the 321 will be a very welcome work environment going forward. |
GLA is next for the bus after EDI I believe.
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I have an assessment coming up for DEC.
Where could I go to find out about the simulator profile? Anything special for the interview day itself, group exercises or quizzes to be done? What are the chances of a BRS basing? Thanks in advance.. |
Just trying to gauge how long NTR FO have been swimming recently following successful assessment? Thanks for any info.
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Originally Posted by Oasis
(Post 11533190)
I have an assessment coming up for DEC.
Where could I go to find out about the simulator profile? Anything special for the interview day itself, group exercises or quizzes to be done? What are the chances of a BRS basing? Thanks in advance.. |
Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
(Post 11533331)
Can't help with the sim or interview but BRS is short in both seats so probably a fair chance.
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BRS base
BRS in the rhs has a small waiting list I think. A few apprentices who wanted BRS as first officers are having to go elsewhere and put their names on the transfer list.
in the LHS they are very short in BRS so don’t think you’d have any issue getting that base
Originally Posted by Oasis
(Post 11533190)
I have an assessment coming up for DEC.
Where could I go to find out about the simulator profile? Anything special for the interview day itself, group exercises or quizzes to be done? What are the chances of a BRS basing? Thanks in advance.. |
Thanks a lot, that looks promising!
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Any timescales on the BUS being based at EMA?
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Originally Posted by dhc1180
(Post 11533718)
Any timescales on the BUS being based at EMA?
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Are there many non TR DEC going to selection or have they enough existing 737/320 folk trying to get in ?
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Plenty of TR awaiting start dates/ contracts for the Airbus according to a “friend”.
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but I doubt it'll be within the next 5 years, if ever. |
Ooh, I do hope so!
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Originally Posted by TheFiddler
(Post 11534595)
J2 will be all Airbus within 10 years, maybe even 5.
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Originally Posted by Big Tudor
(Post 11534974)
34 of the B737-800’s are less than 8 years old and were some of the last of the NG aircraft off the production line. Can’t see Jet2 offloading these before they have had a return on the investment, certainly not in the next 5 years.
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Originally Posted by TheFiddler
(Post 11534595)
J2 will be all Airbus within 10 years, maybe even 5.
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Originally Posted by byrdstrike
(Post 11530312)
It took a few weeks after the assessment day to get offered a course for my first choice of base. FYI non type rated FOs are being offered 75% contracts if they don’t have any previous Boeing or Airbus experience.
Thanks |
Originally Posted by Sharklet7
(Post 11536345)
Can anyone explain the 75% contract? Is this a 25% reduced salary to allow company to recoup type rating and training costs or is it something else?
Thanks |
Originally Posted by Sharklet7
(Post 11536345)
Can anyone explain the 75% contract? Is this a 25% reduced salary to allow company to recoup type rating and training costs or is it something else?
Thanks |
Originally Posted by TheFiddler
(Post 11534595)
J2 will be all Airbus within 10 years, maybe even 5.
There also said they want to be a 200 airframe operation within 10 years (2 years ago they said that anyway) which means 146 Aibus on order plus 50-plus older 737s. Makes sense to me. |
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone (current J2 pilots / colleagues etc) might have any info on the next iteration of the Pilot Apprentice Scheme? Been looking on their webpage daily for months! Cheers! |
Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
(Post 11537254)
Jet2 have announced they are retrofitting 50 737s (ish?) with split scimitar winglets, at significant cost. I doubt they'll be moving those 50 on very soon.
All the talk in the two training centres from senior management currently would indicate the Boeings days are numbered way quicker than people think.... |
Just to go off on a tangent, the big question for Boeing is what's next after the 737MAX? Airbus have the 321XLR and a constant improvement program. What do Boeing have?
I think a lot of senior airline management are asking that question right now. |
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