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Toastal 4th Jul 2023 21:19

A321NEO
 
[QUOTE=Mr Good Cat;11438663]They can't get the Airbus to MAN and BHX as quick as they were planning, so STN unlikely until the deliveries ramp up in 2024. And even then they'll likely want to focus on MAN where they really need the bigger aircraft due to the stand shortage.[/QUOT

Any idea if or what the plan is to put NEOs up north in jockland? Surely it would make sense as EDI/GLA have the longest routes in the network! T

Table For 1 5th Jul 2023 19:18

[QUOTE=Toastal;11462004]

Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 11438663)
They can't get the Airbus to MAN and BHX as quick as they were planning, so STN unlikely until the deliveries ramp up in 2024. And even then they'll likely want to focus on MAN where they really need the bigger aircraft due to the stand shortage.[/QUOT

Any idea if or what the plan is to put NEOs up north in jockland? Surely it would make sense as EDI/GLA have the longest routes in the network! T

Now for all its plus points sometimes Jet2 doesn't think things through......I mean you would use your available SFP 737s at the most limiting field in the network (LBA) wouldn't you...........discuss. (Extra marks for showing your working!)

SpamCanDriver 6th Jul 2023 07:46

[QUOTE=Table For 1;11462538]

Originally Posted by Toastal (Post 11462004)

Now for all its plus points sometimes Jet2 doesn't think things through......I mean you would use your available SFP 737s at the most limiting field in the network (LBA) wouldn't you...........discuss. (Extra marks for showing your working!)

You've done a thorough cost analysis proving the SFP aircraft would generate more revenue out of LBA, than their current bases?

go-around flap 15 6th Jul 2023 08:06

Would one get marks in their working for correctly identifying there are a handful of destinations served downroute out of all Jet2 bases that also require a healthy contingent of SFP airframes, such as ACE, JSI, JTR etc?...

This seems like more of a discussion for the 'airlines/airports/routes' subforum rather than here though.

Mr Good Cat 6th Jul 2023 08:20

[QUOTE=Toastal;11462004]

Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 11438663)
They can't get the Airbus to MAN and BHX as quick as they were planning, so STN unlikely until the deliveries ramp up in 2024. And even then they'll likely want to focus on MAN where they really need the bigger aircraft due to the stand shortage.[/QUOT

Any idea if or what the plan is to put NEOs up north in jockland? Surely it would make sense as EDI/GLA have the longest routes in the network! T

With 146 NEOs likely to be delivered over the next 12 years, they will almost certainly be at every base. In the short term, they'll be at MAN followed by BHX. It wouldn't make sense to have one or two frames at different bases for obvious fleet support reasons. It will happen though, so sit tight.

excrab 6th Jul 2023 08:24

[QUOTE=Table For 1;11462538]

Originally Posted by Toastal (Post 11462004)

Now for all its plus points sometimes Jet2 doesn't think things through......I mean you would use your available SFP 737s at the most limiting field in the network (LBA) wouldn't you...........discuss. (Extra marks for showing your working!)

Can’t show my working, because I used J2s onboard performance tool, but in identical conditions and calm winds Bristol is actually more limiting than Leeds.

However, as shorter routes to the Med, mainland Spain and France don’t need so much fuel the standard wingletted 800s are ok on some routes, so a mix of standard and SFP airframes works, and at Leeds allows rotation of airframes if they need engineering attention.

Oasis 8th Jul 2023 07:49

What if you don't have a 737/ a320 type but you want to join jet2, can they do a training bond? I don't mind a bond, but I don't feel like doing a type rating without the assurance of a position.

737 Jockey 8th Jul 2023 08:24

Everyone gets a training bond at Jet2, TR or NTR.

Oasis 9th Jul 2023 12:10


Originally Posted by 737 Jockey (Post 11463865)
Everyone gets a training bond at Jet2, TR or NTR.

Thanks, I've not seen them advertise for ntr yet..

Mr Good Cat 9th Jul 2023 15:27


Originally Posted by Oasis (Post 11463846)
What if you don't have a 737/ a320 type but you want to join jet2, can they do a training bond? I don't mind a bond, but I don't feel like doing a type rating without the assurance of a position.

You don't need to be rated to join Jet2. However, if you are not rated, and you don't have the relevant hours on medium / large jets then you would require base training, which means you would likely be recruited over the winter season when there are spare airframes to do this.

If your time in HK is on heavy jets, you'll be fine. You'll just be bonded for 3 years for the cost of sim and line training.

Jonty 9th Jul 2023 15:50

For the Airbus fleet we really need ZFT candidates apparently

Oasis 10th Jul 2023 07:06


Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat;[url=tel:11464550
11464550[/url]]You don't need to be rated to join Jet2. However, if you are not rated, and you don't have the relevant hours on medium / large jets then you would require base training, which means you would likely be recruited over the winter season when there are spare airframes to do this.

If your time in HK is on heavy jets, you'll be fine. You'll just be bonded for 3 years for the cost of sim and line training.


thank you for that info!
what is time to command at Jet2, at the moment?

Mr Good Cat 10th Jul 2023 11:16


Originally Posted by Oasis (Post 11464794)
thank you for that info!
what is time to command at Jet2, at the moment?

That would depend on which fleet you are joining. It's currently very quick on both fleets, but the expansion will be all airbus which means the commands will slow down a bit on the Boeing. I think if you plan on about a year on the Airbus (providing you pass the assessments etc) then that would be about right.

skianyn vannin 10th Jul 2023 11:26


Originally Posted by Jonty (Post 11464560)
For the Airbus fleet we really need ZFT candidates apparently

So what is happening to everyone who made an application some 18 months ago? The only communication I've had stated that basically they hadn't binned my application.

10500TT, 6000 hrs on A320 5500 command

rotorwills 10th Jul 2023 11:34


Originally Posted by skianyn vannin (Post 11464920)
So what is happening to everyone who made an application some 18 months ago? The only communication I've had stated that basically they hadn't binned my application.

10500TT, 6000 hrs on A320 5500 command


I have heard that age sometimes comes into place with these guys. Not accusing them just that I have heard rumours.

Johnny F@rt Pants 10th Jul 2023 13:24


Originally Posted by rotorwills (Post 11464922)
I have heard that age sometimes comes into place with these guys. Not accusing them just that I have heard rumours.

Not sure what you are inferring, however I am currently completing LST’s for 2 new joiners, the FO is 53 and the Captain 55.

Big Tudor 10th Jul 2023 17:27


Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants (Post 11464982)
Not sure what you are inferring, however I am currently completing LST’s for 2 new joiners, the FO is 53 and the Captain 55.

Nice for us to have some pilots who are older than some of the aircraft. 😆😆

rotorwills 10th Jul 2023 19:09


Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants (Post 11464982)
Not sure what you are inferring, however I am currently completing LST’s for 2 new joiners, the FO is 53 and the Captain 55.


I am not inferring. I am passing on a rumour. After all this is a rumour network. Title!


Flyit Pointit Sortit 17th Jul 2023 20:10


Originally Posted by skianyn vannin (Post 11464920)
So what is happening to everyone who made an application some 18 months ago? The only communication I've had stated that basically they hadn't binned my application.

10500TT, 6000 hrs on A320 5500 command

Don't despair, I put an application in, a similar time ago to you and only had the sim 2 weeks ago. I haven't had the results yet but I'll let you know if I hear any more about things.

The difference between us though, is that I kept with the mob and renewed my rating after 2020's "fun". Have you renewed yours?

DCT_ELSIR 19th Jul 2023 14:05

Any thoughts on the potential for Airbus rated DEC recruitment for S24?

skydriver98 20th Jul 2023 11:23

Good day all,

Seeing as it started as a hold pool thread, I thought I would hop on the trend and post something unrelated and ask if anyone has some indirect feedback/tips for the A321 assessment? Anything to focus on other than the usual and important company info? Sim & Interview next week so any advice very much appreciated!

Whitemonk Returns 20th Jul 2023 15:23

Well it's been over 24 hours and nobody has mentioned it so you can tell the Profit Share announcement has been a complete dud. A disasterclass in how to take 3 or 4 years of goodwill and destroy it in a single email, 40% of the pie stolen by management after they spent 6 months running around telling people to expect more than 2 times monthly salary, they left out the part it was only themselves they were talking about. Chaotic rollout, part timers paid more than full timers, CC getting offered 4k then quickly rescinded as not eligible. There has been a nervous energy about the place since big PM stepped down a few weeks ago and now we know why, this is the future. Mass exits this winter would should be expected in all areas of the business, particularly FD and engineering. Shame.

Chesty Morgan 20th Jul 2023 15:42

I'm sure you'll be happier at Emirates.


goaroundnow 20th Jul 2023 15:58

This must be a wind-up! What a ridiculous post - and factually incorrect.


Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 11470832)
Well it's been over 24 hours and nobody has mentioned it so you can tell the Profit Share announcement has been a complete dud. A disasterclass in how to take 3 or 4 years of goodwill and destroy it in a single email, 40% of the pie stolen by management after they spent 6 months running around telling people to expect more than 2 times monthly salary, they left out the part it was only themselves they were talking about. Chaotic rollout, part timers paid more than full timers, CC getting offered 4k then quickly rescinded as not eligible. There has been a nervous energy about the place since big PM stepped down a few weeks ago and now we know why, this is the future. Mass exits this winter would should be expected in all areas of the business, particularly FD and engineering. Shame.


Whitemonk Returns 20th Jul 2023 16:03


Originally Posted by goaroundnow (Post 11470863)
This must be a wind-up! What a ridiculous post - and factually incorrect.

Ridiculous maybe, not factually incorrect however

goaroundnow 20th Jul 2023 16:06

It is because you’d know only too well that the management bonuses don’t come from the same pie and had no bearing whatsoever on the profit-share bonus.


Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 11470869)
Ridiculous maybe, not factually incorrect however


Rhodes13 20th Jul 2023 17:34


Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 11470832)
Well it's been over 24 hours and nobody has mentioned it so you can tell the Profit Share announcement has been a complete dud. A disasterclass in how to take 3 or 4 years of goodwill and destroy it in a single email, 40% of the pie stolen by management after they spent 6 months running around telling people to expect more than 2 times monthly salary, they left out the part it was only themselves they were talking about. Chaotic rollout, part timers paid more than full timers, CC getting offered 4k then quickly rescinded as not eligible. There has been a nervous energy about the place since big PM stepped down a few weeks ago and now we know why, this is the future. Mass exits this winter would should be expected in all areas of the business, particularly FD and engineering. Shame.

If you're upset at how you've been treated at Jet 2 you're in for a world of hurt should you venture to the sandpit. This type of stuff is just a normal Monday morning for those guys, they've made an artform out of screwing over their employees.

Whitemonk Returns 20th Jul 2023 18:07

It's funny how people quickly resort to personal attacks when someone merely points out what an utter shambles its been, its OK to like where you work (for the record I do, and have stuck uo for the company many times on this board) but you should also be honest when things don't go right. And for the posters above who think I am just upset, I'm not, it doesn't actually effect my pocket at the end of the day for separate reasons (apart from maybe the pension), but if you think things are going well or that was a success I suggest speaking to the next CC or Eng you come across and ask them. There are whole lines of ENG for example who have been given leave by their future employers to wait until next week until they resign. Now the other lot who were planning on staying will be dusting off their CVs I would imagine, it was a slap in the face in my opinion for the management to do that to everyone, and the 'oh but they do stuff like that all the time' in other places doesn't hold up when we have had to listen to their One Team nonsense in every other email for years. This was their chance to show us the way forward without PM and they blew it. Last post on it from me :suspect:

Chesty Morgan 20th Jul 2023 19:06

I'm curious. How exactly did they "blow it"?

Knightrider123 20th Jul 2023 19:10

Jet2 gets worse over the years. As the expansion continues the experience gets less. Not only on the ground but worryingly in the flight deck. Lots of bad blood in Manchester, which is the biggest base even before the profit share was announced. Based management not good enough to sort pilot issues out especially in bigger bases. Profit share has been a disaster considered it was whipped from them pre Covid. Sorry chaps, but now meeson has gone this is a red Ryanair.

Crewing Gimp 20th Jul 2023 19:21


Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 11470832)
Well it's been over 24 hours and nobody has mentioned it so you can tell the Profit Share announcement has been a complete dud. A disasterclass in how to take 3 or 4 years of goodwill and destroy it in a single email, 40% of the pie stolen by management after they spent 6 months running around telling people to expect more than 2 times monthly salary, they left out the part it was only themselves they were talking about. Chaotic rollout, part timers paid more than full timers, CC getting offered 4k then quickly rescinded as not eligible. There has been a nervous energy about the place since big PM stepped down a few weeks ago and now we know why, this is the future. Mass exits this winter would should be expected in all areas of the business, particularly FD and engineering. Shame.

wow that was quick! Was interested how it would go after Phillip let go of the reins.

Sadly was always going to happen with the management team now in place and the focus all on the holidays, without union recognition or support the future isn’t looking as rosy.



Mr Good Cat 20th Jul 2023 19:51


Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 11470929)
It's funny how people quickly resort to personal attacks when someone merely points out what an utter shambles its been, its OK to like where you work (for the record I do, and have stuck uo for the company many times on this board) but you should also be honest when things don't go right. And for the posters above who think I am just upset, I'm not, it doesn't actually effect my pocket at the end of the day for separate reasons (apart from maybe the pension), but if you think things are going well or that was a success I suggest speaking to the next CC or Eng you come across and ask them. There are whole lines of ENG for example who have been given leave by their future employers to wait until next week until they resign. Now the other lot who were planning on staying will be dusting off their CVs I would imagine, it was a slap in the face in my opinion for the management to do that to everyone, and the 'oh but they do stuff like that all the time' in other places doesn't hold up when we have had to listen to their One Team nonsense in every other email for years. This was their chance to show us the way forward without PM and they blew it. Last post on it from me :suspect:

Just out of interest, what was the pre-tax figure you were quoted as a Captain?

Flying Wild 20th Jul 2023 19:55


Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan (Post 11470959)
I'm curious. How exactly did they "blow it"?

Well, acknowledging that they've cocked things up for starters. 100% captains are receiving different amounts (only a £3-4 spread, but why the difference?). There are people recently returned from long term sick who are receiving several thousand pounds more. People who have had the same amount of optional leave have been told differing amounts too. It's a shambles. They need to reflect on the company Just Culture - open and honest. At the moment it's comms silence. They need to share their methodology, as if it's been left to the new HR system to calculate, there's no wonder its gone wrong.

Flying Wild 20th Jul 2023 19:56


Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 11470983)
Just out of interest, what was the pre-tax figure you were quoted as a Captain?

Around £14.7k for Captains and just under £10k for an SFO.

Chesty Morgan 21st Jul 2023 06:54


Originally Posted by Flying Wild (Post 11470985)
Well, acknowledging that they've cocked things up for starters. 100% captains are receiving different amounts (only a £3-4 spread, but why the difference?). There are people recently returned from long term sick who are receiving several thousand pounds more. People who have had the same amount of optional leave have been told differing amounts too. It's a shambles. They need to reflect on the company Just Culture - open and honest. At the moment it's comms silence. They need to share their methodology, as if it's been left to the new HR system to calculate, there's no wonder its gone wrong.

And how is all.of that caused by PM announcing he is stepping down in the future?!

Chesty Morgan 21st Jul 2023 08:06

You're talking like he's gone already. He hasn't!

Biffsticksuperhero 21st Jul 2023 08:28


Originally Posted by pug (Post 11471188)
We know he hasn’t yet, but the transition has started.

Still lots to be positive about so don’t take my previous comment as a negative, but quite important to try to understand why some in the company might have not taken it too well on this occasion.

Can actually feel the fizzing from the Jet2 die hard elite over these slanderous remarks. 🤣

Meeeeesooon forever ✌🏻

Flying Wild 21st Jul 2023 15:24


Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan (Post 11471181)
You're talking like he's gone already. He hasn't!

Yes, but it doesn't seem like anyone is owning this issue. Lack of transparancy regarding how the sums were arrived at is also an issue.

DCT_ELSIR 22nd Jul 2023 17:47


Originally Posted by DCT_ELSIR (Post 11470189)
Any thoughts on the potential for Airbus rated DEC recruitment for S24?

Just bumping this back to the top, would appreciate any insight.

737 Jockey 22nd Jul 2023 17:57


Originally Posted by DCT_ELSIR (Post 11472010)
Just bumping this back to the top, would appreciate any insight.


Once the bottleneck in Airbus deliveries reduces, I’d say there’s excellent potential. 5/9 on recent OCC were direct entry Airbus. Priority given to trainers of course. MAN and BHX are initial Airbus bases.


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