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FlyingGypsy 17th Mar 2018 15:03

Hello all,
First post on here hope your all well ! Fly safe !

1) Eastern Airways UK
2) Right Hand Seat
3) Jetstream 41
4) 2 Years
5) Only Get 7 Days Off PM As A Treat Sometimes 8, Max Duty Hours, 4/6 Some Times 7 Sectors Per Day
6) 15+ Night Stops Per Month Very Rarely At Home Base With Lots Of Days Off Out Station With Only Duty Pay For Your Troubles
7) 60/70hrs Per Month Average
8) Basic Salary £21,495 No Service Pay For FO's You Get Pay for TT and Hours On Type, Joined Company Min Hours So My Salary Is Just Under £23k
9) No Sector Pay, £1.30 Per Hour Duty Pay Roughly £3.5K Per Year 100% Taxed. Total Gross £26K Per Year Net £20,840 That's £1734.26 Net Per Month
10) Pension is 1% from Company 1% Employee, Day Off Payments Very Rare FO £200

geardown1 18th Mar 2018 09:42

1) Loganair
2) RHS
3) SF340
4) 1.5 years
5) Unsure total, off 9 days a month exc. leave.
6) Base dependant, some nil, about 4 or 5 per month for me.
7) 550-600 in a year.
8) £30K
9) £9 per report. £3 per sector. £23 per UK nightstop. Day Off pay £300. 20% pension (8% from me).
10) Averaging monthly gross £3100, net £2500. Rich in the flying I do.

LlamaFarmer 18th Mar 2018 12:05


Originally Posted by FlyingGypsy (Post 10087114)
Hello all,
First post on here hope your all well ! Fly safe !

1) Eastern Airways UK

And what's Eastern like these days??

mikehammer 18th Mar 2018 12:56


Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer (Post 10088004)
And what's Eastern like these days??

Great fun, good colleagues superb flying, terms and conditions accurately depicted above however. Money wise it's a hobby, if you can afford it.

jamestkirk 18th Mar 2018 13:09

Eastern
 
dont forget

11) £50 disruption payment if; its a tuesday, its raining, been an alien invasion, >4 hours delay thats not down to tech, weather, airport closing, global flood but will be paid if this time its a consequence of aforementioned alien invasion, if its not a tuesday. Please note that all disruption payments will be declined in the event you qualify for a disruption payment.

macdo 18th Mar 2018 15:00

By god, Eastern is shocking! My daughter makes more stacking shelves in London.

FlyingGypsy 18th Mar 2018 15:21

As said above the crew make this company, the people who we work with are amazing couldnít get through the day without them! Flying is amazing solid building block to move on to pastures new one day! After my 5 year bond, that is their ploy to hold on to crew, We have lots of crew departing to Jet2. As for rostering / crewing / management absolutely appalling I have nothing to compare with but the way Iím spoken to if I try to voice my opinion on changes to my roster etc which happen daily, and if you do moan next comes the punishment roster lol Iíve never had a roster yet thatís has stayed as published. On average I would say 95% of my roster changes. But Iím greatful for the Job !

a350pilots 18th Mar 2018 17:29


Originally Posted by CaptainProp (Post 10077826)
24000 net? Hell Iíll sign up for that right seat!!

CP

Edit (for clarification): 24k is not 2400.

That is VLG for in a year :eek::eek:

CaptainProp 18th Mar 2018 18:31


Originally Posted by a350pilots (Post 10088296)
That is VLG for in a year :eek::eek:

Apparently so, I thought it was per month! ;-)

Large private jet.
All in all Ä160.000 gross per year + about Ä10K tip or so.
Roughly 200-210 days on duty minus perhaps 15-20 maintenance days per year where I can go home.
Max 400 hours.

CP

El Capitano 18th Mar 2018 19:03

eastern, vlg, enter air, small planet earning
 

Originally Posted by macdo (Post 10088152)
By god, Eastern is shocking! My daughter makes more stacking shelves in London.

I really don,t understand that any pilot accepts these lousy salaries, pay for type rating and even pay for line training.
Please, please stop it! Don,t even go on assessment. Get those scam airlines on their knees.
If they can not or don,t want to pay decent salaries, then they will be due to lack of pilots forced to pay a market conform salary or simply have to stop their operations.

JOSHUA 19th Mar 2018 10:18


Originally Posted by El Capitano (Post 10088368)
I really don,t understand that any pilot accepts these lousy salaries, pay for type rating and even pay for line training.
Please, please stop it! Don,t even go on assessment. Get those scam airlines on their knees.
If they can not or don,t want to pay decent salaries, then they will be due to lack of pilots forced to pay a market conform salary or simply have to stop their operations.

So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......

Denti 19th Mar 2018 10:42


Originally Posted by JOSHUA (Post 10088967)
So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......

Early 2000s were not that bad, if you talk about the really early years. Got my first job in autumn 2000 after a six month job hunt right out of flight school. Could choose between two jobs, one with a Fokker 50 Typerating which i had to pay for, however, after 5 years in the company i would have gotten the money back including interest. And the second job was on a 737, type rating fully paid for by the company including accommodation, business travel to the training facility and back, hotel for the first four weeks at the base to give me time to house hunt, some small training pay and full per diems. And that was not the best job out there by far, Lufthansa hired several hundred ready entries that year, as did their regional Cityline and of course others like Hapag Lloyd (nowadays known as TUI-Fly). It went on into the next year and even continued for a few weeks after 9/11, but then came to a very hard stop.

Needless to say, i never paid for a type rating, always got paid for a job and don't think anybody should do that, but i know it is the accepted norm for many new-hires today. Which is why i do applaud ryanairs move to bond the cadet instead of let them pay, which i hope will put pressure on their competitors to do the same.

macdo 19th Mar 2018 16:48


Originally Posted by JOSHUA (Post 10088967)
So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......

I started a little earlier than that, but not much. Yes, there were good and bad years for recruitment, there was hardly anything in the mid 90's, , then late 90's it got lively and then died again in around 2001. Hey ho, that's capitalism red in tooth and claw. But the big difference was that the jobs, even with the bottom feeding turbo prop operators, came with a paid for type rating and a bond. The bond reduced with your service, or if you left early, you paid it off. I got paid pretty much the same in 97 as an Eastern FO does now, without the debt mountain round my neck. I think there are going to be a lot of very unhappy burnt out, debt laden pilots in the future, juggling training, mortgage and God forbid, divorce costs from a large headline salary, which leaves them with very little left to have fun with.

Northern Highflyer 20th Mar 2018 15:18

Is it true that you guys at Eastern are now having to work more and more weekends ? Probably one of it's best selling points (other than the great crews) was the fact it was largely Mon-Fri flying, except at Aberdeen with it's Sunday flights, and a few charters.

mikehammer 21st Mar 2018 14:02


Originally Posted by Northern Highflyer (Post 10090455)
Is it true that you guys at Eastern are now having to work more and more weekends ? Probably one of it's best selling points (other than the great crews) was the fact it was largely Mon-Fri flying, except at Aberdeen with it's Sunday flights, and a few charters.

Weekend schedules are here at my base, yes. I signed a contract agreeing to hours as required by the company. If i get to not liking that, I know my choices. It suits me, I enjoy the flying, have no interest in being a button pusher for hours on end with no landing and approach currency.

As I said, it's a hobby from a base (sometimes a gateway near you). But you have to be able to afford a job like this.

In spite of the above post re disruption payments, I can only speak of my own experience, and I've not had one denied. I know some who have though, but the rules are in black and white in the manuals.

It's ok here, management are approachable, never bother me, but I keep my nose clean and get on with my job, and for that I feel appreciated. As I say, that's my experience and I'm not exactly new here.

FightFireWithFire 15th Mar 2019 20:47

1) VLG
2) Rhs
3) A320
4) 8 months
5) 12 days off minimum
6) 25 in total more or less, and I've ask for that
7) 547
8) 23. 884Ä net (yes, I went through every single paycheck)

mansaloco 17th Mar 2019 09:08

1) Cargolux
2) Lhs
3) B744/748
4)17 years of service
5)~ 130 days away from home (80% partime scheme)
6)~11 night stops a month
7)~450 hours a year
8)140k a year gross + tax free per diem 100€/day

Reluctant Bus Driver 19th Mar 2019 17:46

AA
CA
A320
27 years
15-20 days a month
a lot
85-90 hours a month
315 000 usd
35000 401k (pension) contribution

El Capitano 19th Mar 2019 18:52

in Europe we do definitely something wrong! Even at the majors the yearly earnings are much lower than in the US. AND we pay much more tax on it. Question of establishment of much, much stronger pan-European pilot unions and every single pilot should not be afraid to fight for their own conditions and be solid air for other pilots concerned. And never, ever accept pay to fly again!QUOTE=Reluctant Bus Driver;10423856]AA
CA
A320
27 years
15-20 days a month
a lot
85-90 hours a month
315 000 usd
35000 401k (pension) contribution[/QUOTE]

Reluctant Bus Driver 19th Mar 2019 21:56

The pay has come back at the U.S. legacies after years of stagnation due to first deregulation then the aftermath of 911. Other than that we are still basically under a bankruptcy contract. Delta and United are doing better. Factor in their profit sharing and narrow body captain pay goes north of 400 000 if you work hard..


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