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Flocks 31st Jan 2018 19:07

2017 Pilot earning
 
Hello all.

Following a thread I found on an other pilot forum with a really good success, but mostly about USA pilot. I thought it was a good idea to open same thread on PPrune, to share our salary and working condition we had in 2017. I believe it could been interesting and could open for career orientation for lot of us.

For clarity, please post like this :
1) Airline employer
2) Seat
3) Aircraft type
4) Years of Service with company
5) How many days you worked
6) How many overnights you had
7) How many hours you blocked
8) Gross income.
9) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.)
10) Total gross income.

I start :
1) Airline employer : Flybe
2) Seat : Captain
3) Aircraft type : Dash 8 Q400
4) Years of Service with company : 3 years, but year 1 as captain salary.
5) How many days you worked : 213 (does include day off worked and all standby, even if no call from my airline, on average let say 5/6 standby a months)
6) How many overnights you had : about 6 a months on average
7) How many hours you blocked : 688hr (in any case, max 750hr a year for all pilot)
8) Expected gross income : 67034£(basic) + 5700£(FDA) + 1800£ (25£ per night stop) + 1000£ (distruptions payment and 1 unscheduled night stop) + 4500£ (9 working days off payments) = 80034£
9) Extra Pay, 12pr cent retirement contribution from airline 9600£, premium medical insurance, lost of licence insurance, staff travel for most world wide major airline.
10) Total : 89634£.

Basic will increase to 70895£, 1st April.

I hope you ll find this post interresting and contribute.

EPST 31st Jan 2018 21:02

1) Orange carrier
2) 0A
3) A320
4) 7
5) 180
6) Dunno probably around 10 over the whole year, lots of adhoc nightstops off stby in other bases.
7) 600ish
8) €109.000 basic plus sector pay
9) Sector pay, positioning pay, nightstop allowance, bonus.
10) €144.000

iggle piggle 31st Jan 2018 21:39

Flybe pay 12% pension on Basic, FDA, overtime and disruption payments?

aerobatic_dude 1st Feb 2018 11:14

FO, Boeing, take home 5-5.5k average per month, fly 10 days a month, no overnights, living in the sun with small cost of living.

Redbird1 1st Feb 2018 11:26

Everyone working for cryptic airlines ? Assuming the Big company is BA ? 😂

Redbird1 1st Feb 2018 18:20

Just thought that being an Fo earning 80k is quite high

clamchowder 1st Feb 2018 22:05

1) UK Holiday/ Charter Airline
2) FO
3) Boeing
4) <1 year of service
5) 180 days a year (guess)
6) 2 night stops per month
7) 750 hours annually would be a high estimate
8) £83k (with duty pay, flight pay, allowances, couple day off payments)
9) £6k approx company contribution
10) £89k

Redbird1 2nd Feb 2018 05:45

Guessing clam chowder is Virgin , same as myself

Snapper5 2nd Feb 2018 05:51

I assume only the happy guys will participate in this , I agree that the number 1 point is to specify which airline you work for , far more useful than nothing

macdo 2nd Feb 2018 07:54


Originally Posted by Redbird1 (Post 10038945)
Just thought that being an Fo earning 80k is quite high

If I were a long service SFO with Big Airways, I'd be a bit disappointed with 80k GBP.
80k is a pretty standard gross for an FO with say 5 years service, especially if you factor in Duty/per diem/ pension contributions etc. so long as you are flying jets for a decent operator.

This type of thread crops up every year or so, and if you haven't read one before, it can be interesting. But, I'd be more interested to see a comparison between what people earned 5 or 10 years ago, versus today. How many of us have had significant pay rises not involving a promotion. I suspect that we are, in fact, all a bit poorer than we were since the financial crisis of 2008.

Enzo999 2nd Feb 2018 08:05

1) BA
2) RHS
3) 320
4) 2 (15 years industry experience)
5) Days worked) No idea too many.
6) Overnights) 3 to 5 a month
7) 550 (lots of sectors though)
8) P60 in April is looking likely to say £68k
9) PHC, LOL, Pension 12.6% of basic rising to 15.6% soon.
10) £68k all inclusive (58 basic 10k flight pay and duty pay).

Globally Challenged 2nd Feb 2018 08:15

BizJet FO

Living in UK crewing 2 aircraft based outside UK (type rating for this and all previous aircraft paid by employer)

£65k basic + DIS + LOL + up to 5% pension match + private medical (with small extra fee to include my kids) + healthy per diem system ... (based purely on claim with no receipts so unscrupulous could - if so inclined - use this an an extra income source as max average 'claim' is £85 per day which is paid free of tax)

Generous internal freelance rate when flying other company aircraft of £750 per day (I've had 7-8 days of this in the last tax year - although have been offered more I was busy with family etc - I send this all direct to my pension)

Takehome artificially low at £3031 as I have substantial salary sacrifice arrangements so £1558 per month going to pension (including employer contribution)

All expenses paid (except travel to/from the UK office) including nice taxi to/from UK airports before positioning, staying in Marriott / Hilton or better (airline and hotel points coming out of my ears so holidays are CHEAP!!)

Typically on standby for 3/4 of the month and actually away from home for around 10-14 days on average (usually only 2-3 days at a time)

Fly 200-250 hours a year around Europe and Asia with a nice bunch of guys and girls on well maintained & commercially operated aircraft with a very nice bunch of passengers.

Pretty happy with the above as I have a pretty good quality of life while saving for the future and get to spend loads of time with my young family in the UK.

Dualcouple 2nd Feb 2018 10:17

1) Nordic legacy carrier
2) Capt
3) A320
4) 13
5) 175
6) Averaging 1 per month
7) 450 (part time parental leave)
10) Around 97000 Ä taxable gross, take home around 4000 Ä / month. Working full time would increase gross about 20% and net 10%.

Enzo999 2nd Feb 2018 13:55

No full time. This is what happens when you spend 4 months a year on reserve and placed on permanent Blindlines. No one joins BA for the money anymore, thank god we have such a strong union hey!!! Good News is though thanks to P.P34 it will only take me 20 years to earn a decent living.

I have worked for quite a few companies in the U.K. including BA, Monarch and XL and I am always amazed at the salaries some claim to be earning because my experiences differ vastly.

I understand Jet2’s starting FO salary is £58k, I would be supprised if they are making more than 10k in sector pay.

In slight defence of BA please note I only did 550 hours last year, which is hardly busy.

JulietSierra6 2nd Feb 2018 16:17

Come down to the West Sussex flying club.

0-1 night stops a month, quiet winters (busy summers I grant you), and at least 5-7k more than your figure without the hassle of LHR.

Slightly in jest, LGW certainly has its issues but if you’ve got a few years left to do on the bus it’s worth a thought. Life is quite different to up the road.

4468 2nd Feb 2018 17:39


Are you part time?! £68K is terrible, jet2.com FOs get more than that.
I imagine one of Enzo’s previous employers, Monarch, may well have paid it’s FOs more too? Not that any Monarch pilots will derive any satisfaction from that.

Nobody joins BA for their earning potential in the first 5 years. Perhaps not even in the first 10? (Though recently we’ve had new joiners achieving Airbus commands in our annual bidding process!) If instant cash is your major driver, then it sounds like Jet 2, Easyjet, Ryanair or their like are absolutely wonderful.

However, if you are interested in a combination of career earnings, job security, variety and many other largely intangibles and opportunities, then perhaps, longer term, you’d be happier at BA? Though in the early years (especially in SH) you will likely spend more time in uniform than virtually any other professional pilot in the UK. Which is not good!

BA’s not for everyone. It never was! If it’s not for you, that’s absolutely fine. Enjoy what you do. But life is never ‘all about the money’!

akindofmagic 2nd Feb 2018 18:14

1) Orange
2) LHS
3) A320
4) 6
5) 190 (guess)
6) 0
7) 400
8) £130k (according to today's exchange rate)
9) Company contributes approx £2k per month to pension, £18k in bonus payments
10) £148k + £24k pension

Enzo999 2nd Feb 2018 18:17

Which base?

recall_checked 2nd Feb 2018 19:02

Further to DobblerChina's post...

For post 2012 joiners like myself, total gross £87k. Short haul. 2 years in the company. Pension 13.5% (10% company).

Happy. No plans to leave.

Snapper5 2nd Feb 2018 19:17

So is that TUI ? Or Thomas cook ? guys come on ! Why the secrecy

Snapper5 2nd Feb 2018 19:19

Windshearescape your a low seniority FO on the 747 at BA , as you have mentioned in your post history

Enzo999 2nd Feb 2018 19:29

recall_checked

My understanding is the basic FO salary at TUI is 62k, so do you seriously make 25k in additional pay? Once again I seem to have joined the wrong airline.

wheelie my boeing 2nd Feb 2018 19:41

1. Big Airways
2. RHS
3. Two decks and better looking than a 380.
4. 10
5. Too many. 16/17?
6. Too many. Every return flight overnight.
7. Too many. Bumping off 900 per year
8. £81,000
9. Roughly £1,500 per month allowances. Plus 12% employer pension contribution, and overtime of averaged out about £500 per month.
10. Around £105,000 gross per annum.

bex88 2nd Feb 2018 20:03

Are these gross pa figures people are talking about accounting for the deduction of their pension contributions or not? Gross on your pay slip is after pension contributions have been deducted. Some of these figures make me question if I really am even in the same airline because I am certainly not on the same pay. I am work shy though so that has a £2500 affect with less flight pay.

Enzo999 2nd Feb 2018 20:09

Interesting point and quite true I did not take that in to account, so you can add about 5k to my previous figures.

MaverickPrime 2nd Feb 2018 22:13

Bearing in mind the new pay deal at Ryanair; I think the writing is on the wall that BA doesn’t even pay as well as Ryanair unless you are a BA Captain with considerable seniority. Obviously a lot of other things need to change for the better at Ryanair, but let’s say BALPA can pull that of in the next few years, where does that leave BA?

BA was once the aspiration of every pilot, now it doesn’t look like such a sure career move in comparison to the EZYs and RYRs. Shame really as BA crews always came across as very professional and competent. However, the talent will follow the Ts&Cs, but Alex Cruz wouldn’t understand that!

I’m not insinuating that everyone is going to suddenly sign up with RYR, but it is heading in that direction.

g109 2nd Feb 2018 22:20

EK
CAPT
A380
abound 100h/month
around 900h/year
around 11 overnight/month
around 11000 GBP net/month
plus pension
plus Health ins
plus LoL
plus free house, all bills paid

still looking to leave.

Stocious 2nd Feb 2018 22:20

Plenty of talented people are banging on the door of BA every time they recruit. Perhaps some aren't but money is still pretty decent here and I have a lifestyle that some guys could only dream of getting!

Each to their own I suppose.

busybee123 2nd Feb 2018 23:25


Originally Posted by Snapper5 (Post 10040096)
So is that TUI ? Or Thomas cook ? guys come on ! Why the secrecy

Itís TUI/Thomson.
On the 757/76 since 2014. RHS.
Gross 62k basic + about 15-18k in duty/flight pay. (Depending on yearly hours, some bases busier than others).

In addition can earn alot more in overtime, maybe 10-15k but not set in stone.

On an interesting note of how good I could of had it if born 30 years earlier!!
Flew with an ex-Britannia LTC whoís been there since the late 80ís who grosses 170k (no overtime) and will soon retire on a final salary pension of 80/90k a year!!
Not bad for lolling around in pyjamas. Weíll never see those days again.

Pension- 3.5% from me, 15% from company.
Thatís now been reduced to 10% company for new starters.

Lets raise a glass to Ryanair pilots for getting Union recognition this year, and hoping that will eventually stop and reverse the ever descending Pay and Conditions for them and the rest of the industry.

oboema 3rd Feb 2018 01:35

-KLM
-F/O 737
-10yrs
-2017: €148.380
-LOL: get payed 70% of last salary till retirement age + 150k lump sum. Followed by decent pension.
-Pension: avg company contribution 46%. Retire at 58.
(One can stretch retirement to 62, but for that has to work part time to be “production neutral” for the younger guys’ career progression.
-Work 17/18 days/month max.
-680h/yr (2017)
-no flight/duty pay so constant income regardless of hours flown/ sickness etc (extra flying payed out in extra free days)
-free jumpseat and scheduling options to live anywhere (Spain/France/USA/Bonaire/Canada/Italy etc)
-98% union membership

Snapper5 3rd Feb 2018 05:44

Wow some pretty decent pay ! I guess you also have to factor in the lifestyle etc as well

We Tu Lo 7th Feb 2018 14:11

1) Airline employer - CityJet
2) Seat - LHS
3) Aircraft type -RJ85
4) Years of Service with company - 10
5) How many days you worked - 214 (6:3 pattern, 29 days leave)
6) How many overnights you had - 180
7) How many hours you blocked - 500
8) Gross income. - 64k basic taxed normally + 22k allowances, taxed at about 2.5%
9) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.) - 8k pension, loss of licence, income continuance, Zed staff travel.
10) Total gross income. - Take home around 5-5.5k/mth

Allowances high because overnights high and favourable tax treatment; most earn much less and are at home somewhat more; new joiners eligible for 5% pension, not 12%. Pay increase will be 1.5%pa going forward. 6:3 pattern and eligibility for fixed pattern are not universal. Also, pattern regularly changes, so planning days off is a no no, but better than nothing.

ChrisE 8th Feb 2018 00:50

1) Airline employer - Hearty UK charter company
2) Seat - RHS
3) Aircraft type -B757/767
4) Years of Service with company - 2 (Straight from flight school)
5) How many days you worked - Not many! Maybe 60 flying days per year plus 3 days/week sby
6) How many overnights you had - 15+
7) How many hours you blocked - 500-600 per year
8) Gross income. - £51k basic with approx £10k in FDA/DOP
9) Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.) - As above with loss of medical insurance, private healthcare, ID travel (coming soon) and a good incentive of £500/day £800/night day off payment.
10) Total gross income. - between £4500 and £5000 per month gross

Snapper5 8th Feb 2018 07:37

1) Virgin Atlantic
2) RHS
3) A330
4) Less than a year (November ex Mon)
5) 12
6) 5 I think
7) 40
8) around £73,000 and thatís with 750hrs limitation which I find amazing
9) pension is 15% , around $800 downroute pay , great staff Travel and other perks , crew actually have a good time and socialise
10) Including down route expenses itís around £4500pm ,

Iím happy and lucky , night flights are pretty difficult but I always found them hard !

Happy with the Job security MUCH better than Monarch anyway 😂

pilotman330 8th Feb 2018 10:38

1) Airline employer - Cargo Yellow and Red
2) Seat - RHS
3) Aircraft type - B757
4) Years of Service with company - 6
5) How many days you worked - 17 days/month average
6) How many overnights you had - 17 days away per month
7) How many hours you blocked - 230 hours in 2017.
8) Gross income - €87k
9) Extra Pay - loss of medical insurance, pension, sector pay, flight duty, time away pay.
10) Around €5K net/month

Happy, great atmosphere with the colleagues, airline making huge profit, short sectors and a lot of fun with the 757!

skyblue738 8th Mar 2018 17:51

1) Spanish IAG low cost
2) FO
3)A320
4)2 years
5) 220
6) 3-4
7- 899
8) 14k base
9) Around 10k
10) 24k

CaptainProp 9th Mar 2018 06:30

24000 net? Hell Iíll sign up for that right seat!!

CP

Edit (for clarification): 24k is not 2400.

Snapper5 9th Mar 2018 06:46

Ä2400 jeez !! Your BA colleagues basically do the same thing for £4K ? Looking at the way mr Cruz operates Iím sure that gap will be getting smaller (the wrong way)

Flocks 9th Mar 2018 09:22

24000 euro a year, it is 2000euro a month, I hope it is after tax and they didn't ask you to pay your type rating ... And you did 899hours (there are really good at rostering ...)
I know we all need to start, but on a A320, knowing the airline (we all recognise) is working quit well, I don't understand why Europe pilot accept this stuff ...

CaptainProp 9th Mar 2018 09:51

Ahh, per year.... :}

CP


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