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Originally Posted by kendrick47247
(Post 10447129)
Once again, can you explain how it is a failing project Focus is very much on SAIL in the ongoing negotiations between SAS management and unions. |
Anybody heard galley fm about getting direct employment with SAS UK and SAS Spain?
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Originally Posted by kendrick47247
(Post 10447129)
Once again, can you explain how it is a failing project |
What about the SAS strike , how will this affect SAIL, when airlines are struggling as it is . They couldn’t have chosen a worst moment when everyone returning from Easter break? Perhaps beginning of the end ? This is going to hit the SAS mainline pockets hard. |
Originally Posted by ZAV
(Post 10456955)
What about the SAS strike , how will this affect SAIL, when airlines are struggling as it is . They couldn’t have chosen a worst moment when everyone returning from Easter break? Perhaps beginning of the end ? This is going to hit the SAS mainline pockets hard. ¨673 flights affected All members of the pilot unions have been called out on strike which means that most domestic, European and all long-haul flights have been canceled. The strike does not include flights operated by SAS external partners, which make up approximately 30 percent of all departures. External partners are Air Nostrum, CityJet, Flybe, Regional Jet/Nordica and Scandinavian Airlines Ireland and flights operated by these parnters during Friday equals to a total of 334.¨ |
ZAV
I think You are a little misinformed about SAS.
In 2012 ca late September if I am not mistaken, SAS was Bankrupt , for all practical purposes. That weekend all Unions and Management sat down and eventually agreed to a massive pay cut! The Pilots took the biggest one Long story,,,, Fast-forward to 2018. Biggest EVER profit in SAS history!! Now the pilots want a fair pay. But also a roster that is predictable as SAS runs the old fashion roster and the crew can not plan much on their time off. Also Union wants SAS Ireland culled. And a lot of other stuff, I suppose. SAS is one of the best run Airlines in Europe and is doing good, my friend. There is major issues for the Union with regards to SASIreland but they are solid. |
Don’t think so . Profits made in 2018 however granted https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-conte...nce-190227.pdf plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary , |
Thinking a bit highly of yourself there, don't ya? One thing is for certain; the Deputy CEO of SAS Group, one of the pilot group's pet peeve, was not kind in his words towards Cityjet and SAIL last summer. Their regularity sucked.. Yet SAS did a decent profit. Truth is, none of us here really knows much about the financials. Who is bleeding money and who isn't. SAIL is still dumping the social contract (i.e. Scandinavian Model) up north. We don't like it. |
Perhaps you should then, anyway mate just stating the obvious whomever is right or wrong the strike is going to cost |
If I was a SAIL pilot, I would be worried right now. It is payback time in The Real SAS. The acceptance is gone and SAS management will give in. I’ve been there, done that, and seen it all before. |
Originally Posted by ZAV
(Post 10457181)
Don’t think so . Profits made in 2018 however granted https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-conte...nce-190227.pdf plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary , I seem to recall stories of lots of SAIL flights having to be cancelled or replaced by mainland SAS. I am pretty sure that if the Union gets their way, they will go for the kill of SAIL, as I have very reliable sources on what they Union thinks of SAIL. And considering current circumstances, I can't disagree, and this is nothing personal, it's not the people working for SAIL that's at fault, it's just the structure and unscrupulous actions by SAS management who have created this unwanted airline as a part of SAS. But I would not be surprised if SAIL could become a casualty of the current war, or at least they will suffer slightly because of this current situation. |
Apparently it wasn’t all SAIL’s fault. Late airbus deliveries yada yada yada. 1st one was 3 months late and so on. But also coming from from a senior SAS Ops guy, SAS offloaded too much to SAIL as they had their own crewing issues especially in Stockholm. Then SAIL guys refused to work days off until their contracts improved. All made for a perfect storm. Good luck to SAS guys. |
Sorry Zunlimited why is it that SAIL would be the casualty out of all this , why not mainline SAS? As presume that SAIL is cost effective, |
So If SAIL has a better productivity and lower operating costs why SAS is not registering more of the new a320 neo deliveries in Republic of Ireland? |
Expansion at SAIL is controlled by union agreement. If SAIL adds more aircraft tomorrow without union agreement with mainline pilots, there would be lawsuits in addition to strikes.
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There is already a lawsuit against CAE in Spain for employing 26 out of 40 cabin crew without contract of employment...
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why can't they just put the SAIL guys onto a mainline contract and have them join the union?
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Very good question ;)
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I guess the main issue with that would be that very few of the SAIL pilots would accept the 3500€ payment.(including per diem, lol, etc.) 😂 |
They'd have to move base to ARN, OSL or CPH and learn the language, to start with. Then start at the bottom of the seniority list, there's no by passing. It's a career airline, people apply and intend to stay. |
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