Latest rumours from SAS F’vik HQ: GM will shut down SAIL as it was part of a strategic plan to avoid unions. They now see they will not succeed. The A/C will be registered in Sweden which has always been part of the back-up plan. The closure will happen gradually to facilitate recruitement as the need for pilots will increase.
SAIL pilots will be able to apply for a position in SAS Main but will have to go through the complete recruitment process. If successful they will join at the bottom of the list as FOs regardless of previous position.

Don’t kill the messenger.

You can’t blame the crews working for SAIL, many of them came from companies like Monarch, and everyone tries to provide a living for themselves and their family.

Why would anyone bother to join the queue for SAS, when they can’t match conditions of other European airlines.
I only looked at SAS around 6 years ago, and discovered that they tend to look after their own.

I just believe part of the creation of SAIL was that it gave the
company more flexibility, which was impossible because of the position of the union and senior pilots in the company.

I know loads of Scandinavians who would love to return to Scandinavia, but the way it is set up it is impossible.

I travelled some time ago OSL to CPH with SAS SCANDINAVIA, and CPH to LON with SAIL, as a passenger there was no difference.

If start pay is 3500 Eur before tax and you have a random roster and constantly night stopping , then it’s one of the worst deals in the business.

I am curious is there a seniority system on roster bidding? Or is that equal for all?

2unlimited,

SAS is really only good for Scandinavians who want to come home. If you're looking for money, go elsewhere. Most companies pay better. If you're looking for quality of life, it's pretty good (subjectively speaking).

Again, it's a career path you choose. It's not a gig you do as DEC for a couple of years and then move to greener pastures. So can we put an end to your desillusion that direct entry hiring will solve SAS recruitment problem (it hasn't been a problem.... yet anyway).

The roster bidding is not seniority biased.

ZAV,

I know you can't help it, your contractually obliged to go to work, but does it feel good to be part of the 30 % still flying?
And again, have you left earth thinking your SAIL keeps this airline afloat? Cityjet and SAIL had crap regularity last summer when it was needed the most.

knowing that my colleagues are on strike would make me feel sick and I would go to the doctor 😉
aaaa hang on sail guys are on acmi contract with cae parks...

It’s simply sad to see all the sail ac are on time today...

So SAIL guys have fixed roster 5-4. SAS guys would like to get fixed roster 5-4 and 13% pay increase.

Is it very likely that SAS guys will get 5-4, 7-8% pay increase and integrating SAIL aircrafts to SAS? 🤔

If they did that they would be breaking the law, and I am pretty sure the union would not support them when they get contracts terminated.

172: Not saying DEC will solve SAS problems, just trying to explain why SAIL came to life.
When they hire 6 danish guys from a flight school in Roskilde owned by 2 SAS Captains, one was his son, and they clearly state only type rated pilots should apply.

And Klaus in recruitment team when confronted with the facts replies with a smiley face, than it shows a rotten system. Did not impress me much.

However if you keep having random rosters every month, unable to plan anything ahead, that seems to be pretty crap in my opinion.
What I struggle to see is how they managed to offer SAIL 5/4, but SAS Scandinavia have not managed to get something like this ?

After getting a home base, the fixed roster pattern is probably one of the most important things I have got with the job.

I think it’s out of order to criticise the SAIL Pilots, I have worked with some and they are all great guys, this is not their fight and they can’t legally do anything.
I am sure nobody in SAS Scandinavia would risk their own job and family life in similar situation.

SAIL guys did indeed approach BALPA to see if they could offer support to SAS pilots. I’ve seen the BALPA response, and as you already know it would’ve been illegal.

It wasnt widely known that SAS crews took a massive hit in 2012.

So what’s the average number of crews on 1 aircraft?

How many hours on average you do yearly in SAS Skandi?

Increasing the head count won’t work with current conditions on offer.

What kind of roster is the union asking for?

Seems like pay rise for SAS mainland pilots will be only 3,5%.

Anybody knows de details of the agreement?

How about roster and future of SAIL?

What future?

Nothing will change about SAIL with new CLA still 9 ac on Irish AOC flying for SAS?