Good to hear that SAS is taking in more pilots, a lot of tired LOCO commuters that wants home!
Now the question is can they afford to start?

With regards to CAE
They have come a long way from building simulators.
In ca 2003 they bought Schreiner FlightcrewTraining as it was the 4 biggest at the time and Schreiner almost bankrupt.
We told them how a TRTO was run and everyone was happy.
Then the acquired some agency to milk that market to, and I am not sure they got the timing and the expertise right on that one.
Does not look like it in this case. .

Captin Prop, I agree with you. In order to lower costs by opening up SAS Ireland and LHR base SAS needed to keep the terms and conditions significantly lower than any competitor in UK. Ryanair permenant contracts (which are now offered to almost all the pilots) are miles better than SAS Ireland/CAE. The same goes for starting with SAS in Scandinavia. Apart from the other problems Ryanair pilots are facing in regards to their employer, pay, pension and roster is a lot better in Ryanair than SAS (both main and LHR/AGP).

The same goes for Norwegian right now, especially in the Nordic countries where they just hired quite a lot of pilots.

So SAS will be looking to hire pilots from the regional airlines (luckily for them, Nextjet just went belly up so there are some 80 pilots there, although quite a few of them has already been scooped up by the likes of Flybe, Cityjet, BRA etc.) or the still shady outfits with bogus self-employment and these pilots see that a career at SAS is not what it was 15 years ago, there are better options out there. Easy are hiring 900 pilots this year I read and the SAS main contract is substantially lower than Easy.

Although SAS claim to have 3000 applications in their datebase, I would think that 9 out of 10 of those are not interested in joining when they understand what the pay is and how and how much an SAS pilot actually works these days.

A quick comparison: Two pilots (both rated with 1500 hours) start at SAS ARN and Norweigan ARN respectively. After 20 years of service and 10 years to command the Norwegian pilot will have earned more than 20% better than the SAS pilot and the company contributed pension will be worth about 45% more than of the SAS pilot. The same story goes for most other airlines too unless you look at the likes of Primera, Air Baltic, Nordica (Regional Jet), Smartlynx etc.

Indeed,ca 6 months ago I bumped into a pilot I used to fly with , and he said SAS HQ was shocked to see 10 pilots leave for NOR , to get home and better pay and quicker upgrade.
Interesting times indeed.

Yes, in 2013 I'm sure they did. Now its 2018 and the aviation world looks very different. Let's see.

CP

Things have changed in the past 5 years. And many of the pilots that joined in 2013 and 2014 didn't even know the terms and conditions when they started. I've met a couple that was promised the old main pay scale when they joined but then realized there was a B scale in place.

5 years ago there was no SAS Ireland, Cityjet wasn't flying 22 ac, no Estonian company was wet leased and the general pilot market wasn't what it is today.

What is (was?) attractive with SAS is common seniority, long haul in house, basing close to home etc. But if RG gets his will through, those things are gone leaving it a company with substandard terms and no career prospects.

Time will tell.

Yes, of course. Still plenty of young cadets out there who wouldn't hesitate for a second to join SAS, especially in Sweden where about 150 new pilots are trained every year (at least that's the number of new-issued CPL/MPL annually). I seem to recall back in the day when SAS hired cadets, mainly from TFHS, that they required a 1:2 ratio, that is for every applicant that passed the selection process, two were failed (this from the late 90's or early 00's).

If my information is correct that ratio was 2:1 in 2014-2016, although it should be noted that the vast majority of pilots called for assessment in these years were experienced pilots and not cadets.

However I don't think neither SAS Main nor SAS Ireland can handle being companies with high turnover ratio and hiring mainly cadets. In a few years, maybe, but the training capacity isn't big enough to handle that at the moment. For SAS Ireland, rumour is that the training department is falling apart after CAE has utterly failed in providing enough resources into the TD.

No Training department no AOC?
 

How can you have an AOC with no one responsible for training.Has principle rule changed since 1999?

RYR for example had no TRTO and got CAE and SAS Flight Academy to do Type Ratings.
But they sure had a training department that ordered CAE and SAS around . I think SAS is playing with fire , what if there is an accident and the local NTSB digs deep.
Utter incompetent mother company administration, and a mailbox for Training!

SAS has done good , but they can not afford to mess this up!
I love flying with them , but this looks like a bad joke.

Good Luck
Cpt B

Regardless of who does the training, for such a thing can legally be outsourced, any airline operating under EASA rules must have a NP training. No if's, but's or when's. There is, however, nothing stopping an airline assigning multiple postholder hats to a single person, provided they can argue their case to the regulating NAA. With this in mind, the NP Training hat may well be hung on another NP, probably flight ops.

It's not the way I'd run a train set, but it's not illegal.

The Norwegian State has decided to sell all its ca 10% of the total SAS stocks.
The stocks will be available on the Børs.( Olso or Stockholm, dont know)

Something is mowing in Europe. Is Lufthansa getting Norwegian AND SAS?.
Me thinks so.
Been wrong before.

Good luck to all Flight Crew
Regards
Cpt B

SAS stock sell off by Norway
 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1JM2CO

Eiffis
 

So were does a Swedish AOC come in.
Is that to get overfly rights over Russia, as have been the problem with a Norwegian AOC.
Why another AOC, or maybe you are wrong?