How many hours should one expect to fly on average in the summer and winter ?

6-7k a month??? That was the past. All new captains get max 5500€ in a good month. On a Ryr contract.
Brookfield is not longer available. In germany the brk guys were only offered new bluesky contract with which they get 4500€ net based on 800 hours a year.
But at the moment we only fly 50h a month max. For dec - march.
A FO gets average 2100 euro net a month with the new bluesky contract. Good luck for new joiners.
And 3500-4000 for a FO? That's maybe medieval Ryanair contract for guys they are already >5 years in the company.
It's absolutely not true.
FO in Germany on permanent contract makes max 3500 with 100 hours a month.
Mc ginley guys only with cheating and not paying taxes you make 3500-4000k a month.
But at the moment you have to have time as a cadet. There is a long quee for training because also a lot of trainers are leaving.
Everyone is feed up with this company.
The only good thing is the roster.

Well, certainly not the best paid job, but is it after pension contributions or not ?

I tought Ryanair was short of pilots, at least according to PPJN. How much do you fly from march to december ?

Well pension pay? There is a very small amount that Ryanair pays to pension contributions. I don't know exactly how much but it's around 5000€ a year.
You have to have a private plan to cover your pension. And if you are contractor as 80% of the fo then it's up to you.

There is no lack of pilots. All over the network the pilots fly only 45-50 h a month in the winter..

And we fly 700-800hours a year. This year it's more like 700hours for me.
Don't believe ppjn...

Everyone can write there something.

PapaHotel85's figures are only partially correct. In Italy, RYR contract Captains (incl. new joiners) take home in excess of €7000 after tax per month.

Outside Italy, the average figure is more like €5500-€6000 or if you contribute to the pension €5300-€5700. In the UK, those figures are the same but put a £ sign in front of them.

In Spain and Portugal knock perhaps €200 off per month.

His Bluesky contract figures are also incorrect. In Germany, Capts on that contract can expect €5500 net for flying 900hrs a year and €5000 net for flying 890hrs a year. Expect to fly between 800 & 900 hrs a year as a Capt with 50-60 hrs a month in winter and 90-100hrs a month in summer. FOs can expect 700-850 hours per year.

Belgium, expect around €5000 a month for a Captain (or so it was, can't believe it has increased). That tax rates are high there too.

From my point of view it is not a matter of money, I could accept that figures BUT not doing marathon days of 4 legs and 12/13 even 14 hours Duty. Personally the 4 legs per day every single day kills me honestly.

Well 4500 or 5000€... makes not much difference...
overall the contracts are :mad:

Is that difference in take home pay related with encome tax on those countries or there is a huge discrepancy in basic pay among them?

There are small differences in basic pay between countries / bases but the main reason for those differences is the differing levels of social tax in the country in which you are based. For Italian bases, tax levels are reduced depending on how much domestic flying you do, as these flights are taxed at a lower rate.

I believe it would be better if Ryanair offered local contracts as, I suppose, Easyjet does. It seems to be quite difficult to understand how much in tax you pay every month.

Why would you when you've got a former Secretary General of the DTTAS in the board. She is, after all, serving her country first... ;)

F/o salary?
 

Captains aside, could anyone tell us what new cadets make in a year? Say for the UK?

Mcginley, again it depend on how much taxes you pay. But logical it is between 3000 and 4000 Euros flying 65 to 90 hours per month. Month off 0 Eur and if you fly less or nothing one month you get less of course...

As a cadet basically nothing earned for first 6 months at Ryan during type rating, base training and when safety pilot. After safety pilot 20e an hr, after line training 50e an hr, after 500hrs 65.5e an hr, after 1500hrs 70.5e.

That is appalling. 5 years ago, those numbers were €35, €55.5, €70.5 and €78.5, with €88.5 from 2100h if in the command program.

They were rubbish then too.

Even worse 10 years ago when I joined it was €55 an hour to 500 including line training! €75 until 1500 hours then €85 an hour until command. Less the €4.50 sim deduction. As a floating F/O I got €100.50 an hour in my bank for 90 hours every month and I toddled off to MY accountant and added up all my deductions and gave it to HMRC to bill me. Simples.

Then came the LTD companies and I left.

I already included the 4.50 sim deduction (so the 70e you mentioned above is the same as I quoted at 65.5)I don't know why people quote the block pay before the sim deduction as you never get it! Like saying I am paid 500e am her but I have to pay 450e per hr sim deduction!

The best part is that even when you're leaving and no longer require the sim training, you still lose the 4.50 per hour for sim training.

Why not just call the pay for what it is. Ryanair could have just handed out a figure, and that would be it, but they cleverly put a massive spin to it and quoted a figure before sim deduction. Like you "pay" for your own sim. Ridiculous..