Ryanair Details please
 

Good morning gents. I recently did the RYR DEC interview. Nice people at the interview. What I didn't get very clear was the pay(especially take home pay) when on a Ryanair contract(i have family and kids and want to fly out of my homebase only). I understood they offer irish contracts(fixed) and then you pay your social contributions in the country of your home base(e.g. Italy).

What can I expect to take home(not considering sozial contributions, that I can figure out easily)?

What is the basic salary and what can I expect to get on flight pay per hour?

Do I have to pay tax as well on the flight pay?

I think you got my draft, I would like to have an idea of my take home gross before they even send me a contract. Any help and info appreaciated. I even prefer if you PM this details to me to keep it confident if required. I really just need it for my decision making. Please do not start a RYR bashing thread here. Open a new thread for that if you wish.

Thank you!

Last but not least - I remermber they wrote about holidays? How many/year? How are they going to be consumed? Is it by taking 5 days of holidays you actually get your 4 days off, then 5 days holidays and then another 4 off before you start your next duty? So 13 in a row doable with just 5 holiday days? Or does it work different? Is there a realistic chance to have/get this holidays?

It's not really possible to estimate net pay on the information you have given. As far as only wanting to fly from your home base that would only be likely if your base was not too seasonal. You need to check how many aircraft at your chosen base are parked for the winter.

I try to get Rome, so seasonal should be not an issue I guess. For details how many ac are parked over the winter I probably need inside intel, I do not have that. That's why I ask here instead.

What is the basic pay gross? They did not specify that on the interview and said I will see it in the contract.

But I want to make up my mind if RYR is an option compared to my present employer - just to compare numbers at the moment.

I assume basic remains the same at all bases if employed directly with RYR plus then the hour pay(block).

Some actual figures would help, just found old values in the net.

Thanks.

I'm afraid the gross pay at all bases is different, and even within some bases depending on how old your contract is. Ryanair has around 80 bases now, each with its own contract.

I can give you estimates, but they are just that and maybe plus / minus a few hundred Euros per month. In Ciampino or Fiumicino on a Ryanair contract you should expect to take home around €6000 net per month average across 12 months. This includes net basic pay and net sector pay. Both sector pay and basic pay are taxed, but they are taxed differently depending on which country you are in and even which routes you fly. In Italy, Italian domestic sectors are taxed differently from international sectors. You will probably fly around 90-100 hours a month from April to October and around 50-75 hours a month for the rest of the year.

In terms of annual leave, you will have one complete calendar month off with zero flying and this is likely to be in the winter. Additionally, you have 10 extra days off. You are correct that you get 13 days off flying by taking a block of 5 days. In the past it's been difficult to get blocks of 5 days off in the summer but the last couple of summers it's been much easier.

I hope this helps. Sorry I can't give more specific info. You'd have to ask someone actually based in CIA or FCO on the same contract for that.

Thanks skyflyer737, that helps already a lot, at least I get an idea. So that is with paying tax in Ireland and then the social contribution in Italy?

As an yearly average that is not bad, comparing to my present employer and finally being at home every night sleeping in my own bed. Tired of being away all the time and being shifted through various hotels for a lot of nights in a row per month.

Maybe someone based in Italy can give me some final confirmation, but the deal sounds ok for me. Especially since you are not required to pay for your own rating anymore. Don't mind the bonding.

It's a fantastic company, a career choice!
Go for it!

I would wait and see what base they actually offer!

You are absolutely right Avenger. Due to personal reasons I am very curious which base they would offer, but there actually just a few that I can accept. Don't want to go into details, but that's how it is.

Again thanks to everyone who gave me some kind of idea about the figures, very appreciated!

I go with Sheldon from "Big Bang Theory" here - Sarkasm?


EDIT: Got the confirmation. Rome base as well. Any FCO or CIA Cpt around and willing to help me out with some info? PM of course. Thanks!

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Make sure you have a signed contract that is actually a Ryanair contract. If its not and you end up with a "contractor" contract via say Storm then it's a whole different kettle of fish. Contractors can be and are move all over the place.

To get a better understanding I suggest you contact the Ryanair Pilot Group. The RPG can enlighten you of many of the, shall we say nuances of Ryanair contracts and contractors / self employment/ limited companies etc...

As always check out the non cash elements that your current outfit offers and not just the headline cash figures. Medicals, food, parking, pension, sick pay, leave pay... etc.

Good luck

If you are in the left hand seat and on a Ryanair contract at a base close to your home Ryanair is a pretty reasonable job. They are starting to offer more options for part time work too (at least in the UK.)

If Rome is where you want to be, basing shouldn't be too difficult as CIA and FCO are both decent-sized bases with a high degree of permanence. Operating out of FCO is a massive pain in the backside though. If you are looking elsewhere, be aware Ryanair expands, contracts, opens and closes small bases on a whim and you might find yourself suddenly needing to move at very short notice as has recently happened in BLL, PSR, GRO, BRE and HHN.

Thanks skyloone and Jwscud!

They asked me twice if I want a contract or direct employment(interview and call to confirm I made it).

I always wanted a direct contract with RYR, especially I do not want to change bases and stick in hotels anymore(it seems on a agency contract this it what normally happens to you).

So I go def for RYR contract.

Bases: That was my thought when asking for CIA, I know the airport, operated into it(and did layovers there). My idea was that they would not shut down such a big base(especially the low cost one) like rome. I know FCO from some previous airline jobs, was even based there for a while, horrible airport. To fly in, to make your way on the ground, to reach your aircraft. Would never go for FCO.

I am based already in Italy with my current employer, so I will just move my entire family to the south of Rome which is anyway a lovely area. And I hope I can stay there for a long time. If that is the case I will be happy.

My current employer is not that overly nice to us either. Ok, they pay hotels and proceeding flights, but that's because they need us there. More then happy if I have not to proceed anymore(except for sim or training) and NOT spend any second anymore in a hotel except for leisure.

Well, medical is not paid. But isn't there this 6000€ that they say it is here to cover medical, license, parking, etc.? Just to be sure they did not tell me something that is not true.

What about sick days/leave? Not paid at all or some limited days/year paid?

The conversion to an irish license must come out of my pocket(400€?). Sim is paid(LPC/OPC)?

Some other advice?

All inputs are really more then welcome.

Thanks!

Hi

While we are on, what is the time to command for an experienced of with 2000hrs on type and 10000hrs plus?

Thank you

If you are on a RYR contract you get those 6000€ allowance to cover medical, parking, uniform, phone calls and hotel when you go to STN or EMA for your recurrent. They might send you out of base even if you are employed but it happens very rarely (once every two years maybe) and if they do they'll pay for your accomodation anyway. You get sick pay only after your first year of probation while you get holiday pay since the very beginning. The numbers depend purely on the base agreement of your allocated base.

For Pin Head
With that amount of hours you only need to do two RSTs, one winter and cover 500hrs minimum..so within a year I would say?

thanks. i have all the other bar the 800 with RVR

Disregard tonik's posts, he's doing nothing but throwing **** on RYR on the italian forum.

You did well to seek for info here and not there even if apparently you're not safe even here from this kind of character...:ugh:

I got very valuable information here, again, thank you all for that.

Made it much easier to join because now at least I know what to expect!

I would also add - join the RPG when you start!

5 minutes of your life you will never get back!

What's best, integrated or modular?

I gather MOL not so keen on RPG and REPA for some reason. Must be worth five minutes just to find out why?

Hi guys - let's turn this thread back into the right direction please.

I went through the contract, got my base(CIA). Some questions that came up whilst working through:

- it says they can move you to another base if they have the need to. How realistic is that with CIA? I mean, there should be enough flying all over the year(being located in the capital)?!

- brings me to my second question. The contract says the company may always opt to send me on unpaid leave in the winter season. Again - there should be enough flying out of CIA?

- This italian tax "thing" on domestic sectors. It means I should pay tax to italy INSTEAD of to Ireland if doing domestic sectors, right? How does that affect my salary? Better/worse then paying that in Ireland? Or was this already all considered when receiving some numbers from some of you(thanks again for that)?

I went through the base agreement and seem to understand it. Is there really ever a different roster over summer(as mentioned in the agreement) or is it just there "in case"?

All the rest is more or less as expexted for joining RYR, no big surprises. The "rough guide to RYR" is actually kind of funny as long as it does not hit you....

- brings up another question - how is it if you are really sick? e.g. getting influenza or having some other serious issue? Big problems or they accept a sick certificate with any big issues(considering you do not call sick every second, third month).

- Travel while on duty - e.g. if I go to the TR. Do I need to pay my luggage or not? Did not get that really from the fact sheet...

As usually feel free to drop me a confidential PM if you do not like to see some insights posted in public.

Thank you gents!

1. It's highly unlikely they would move you to another base unless CIA downsizes or closes.

2. There will almost certainly be enough flying to mean forced unpaid leave is unnecessary. Usually they ask for volunteers for unpaid leave but it is very rarely forced on anyone.

3. I think you are right that sector pay on Italian domestic sectors is taxed in Italy rather than Ireland. My understanding (but stand to be corrected) is that this results in lower overall tax and therefore more money in your pocket. This was indeed calculated in the figures I originally gave. Expect an average of €6000 to €6500 per month across 12 months.

4. I've only ever known 5/4 even in the summer. Very occasionally they alter it but in 10 years at Ryanair I've never had mine altered over the summer period.

5. Sickness is fine. Ryanair say if you are sick for 1 or 2 days you don't need a doctor's certificate. If sick for 3 or more days you require some form of medical documentation but they do not insist on it if it's difficult for you to obtain. Overall, from my experience, the company these days is reasonable over sickness and accepts it happens. If you have an excessively high number of days then you are likely to be interviewed but initially in a relatively friendly manner.

6. For the type rating and any company travel (ie 'jumpseating' even though most of the time you can just take a passenger seat), you can take luggage and give it to the dispatcher and put it in the hold free of charge. They say one item of luggage for the hold is the maximum but in 99.99% of cases I am pretty sure you could put more in the hold if necessary.

Hope this helps. Good luck and enjoy yourself. It's a far better job and company than people on Pprune make out. Not perfect by any means but actually provides reliable, decent enough income, enjoyable flying and a stable roster.

Thank you skyflyer737 for that positive information!

Thanks as well to all gentlemen that forwarded me valuable information per PM, very appreciated.

I see that the general attitude is a positive, however realistic one. I like that and I am very certain I will fit into that environment.

Hate to be the party pooper, but having been on the receiving end of their treatment for a few years I have to say I am a bit cynical whenever their name pops up. The fate of Alghero and Pescara is not looking too good.

Ryanair says to cut Italian routes, jobs, blames government passenger tax | Reuters

Bremen and Hahn have been up for base reductions lately.
Oslo-Rygge's future is uncertain:

Ryanair could close Oslo Rygge base this winter - ch-aviation.com

Just another reason to organize as a pilot group, don't trust their goodwill.

No worries, I am pretty realistic(do this job far to long now, unfortunately) about T's & C's. Look into the ME threads, they are a real "eye opener".

That's why I asked for this base, it seems big enough not to be shrinked down too soon. After all it's the captial. Pescara was one of my secondary options, glad I did not went for it.

Well, another journey, let's see where this one goes ;-)

I wish you all the best and the colleagues are, usually, a great bunch of people.

Hi guys!

I didn't want to start a new thread about Ryanair so I will just post it in this thread.

Does anyone know the currect situation with regards to type rating and training? I heard that there have been delays for people waiting to start type rating and then on line training because Ryanair didn't have enough facilities and training captains to train all the cadets?
Any news on that, has it got better recently?

Thanks for info!

@Kudlaty

I am just starting with RYR. But it seems they still have it organized. Already got asked during interview if I could make a particular date in terms of typerating. Then, the contract says the same(start date which is the first day of TR). In case they delay it means they will have to pay me basic salary till I start finally.
So I guess they are very keen to make me work for my money ;-)

@tomuchwork

I sent you a PM, I will greatly appreciate if you could take a look at it :) Thanks!

Hi guys
I am heading to Stansted for an assessment /interview next week.
Any information you have to help my process and decision be much appreciated.
Many thanks

My advice would be tell them what base you want and take the permanent contract if you are successful. I'm just a line Captain so I'm not involved in the process but I have been told by some newer colleagues that the interview and sim is very straight forward with no tricks.

I know for a fact the assessors are a great bunch and very friendly. They are looking for very good CRM and TEM. Remember the cockpit gradient is quite low in Ryanair so speak up and put your point across whichever seat you are sitting in. Most importantly safe and sound decision making and competent manual handling is the key. They are not trying to catch you out.

Good luck.

Hi Guys,

I'm interested in applying as a non rated DEC. Could anyone pls give me a rough estimate of a LTN/STN salary, gross and net?

Thanks all

Hey midnight cruiser: Is Dublin full up even for new recruits and first officers or just for captains?

Ryanair to open base in SOF in Oct'16 with 3 a/c
 

Any idea on T/Cs?
Wizz local contract has lowest salaries of all bases...

Just had an assessment at Stansted which after what I thought was a good interview and sim ride was emailed the following day and told NOT SUCCESSFUL. 3 of us, I was the only one with jet time and type rating and command experience
Anyway we were told there are no UK /Irish bases available, all full and with waiting lists, any other bases outside of UK you will pretty much get.

Sorry to hear that italian stallion(lol that Nick).

3 of us as well on my interview, all very experienced jet(medium, me as well heavy) Captains. One typerated, the other 2(including me) NTR.

Unfortunately we did not exchange contact details, so I do not know how the other 2 guys did. The rated guy, which played PNF/PF for both of us NTR on our sim sessions made a very good impression to me as well. Curious how it went for him.

They normally reply very fast, got positive answer within 2 or 3 days, do not remember anymore excatly.

Maybe give it another shot in a few months?

@italian stallion
Thank you for information (Stansted). Actually, would be kind and tell me did you have technical question exam (ATPL) and HR exercise ?
I guess that sim-ride was assessed at B737 sim. Please tell me (I have not got experience- NTR), what kind of skill for NTR pilots they are looking ? (advice please)
I'm interested for eastern Europe bases, for example Romenia, Bulgaria, Croatia etc.

What are the chances of NYO base these days, last time I checked they told me it wasn't possible.

Huge amount of Swedanians in RYR all waiting/hoping for NYO