Seriously!!! The pay rise was to advertise for new recruits so not for inflation!!
Did you get a company memo saying you would get a pay rise?i d say no...and what does your broker have anything to do with your situation?are you in contract agreement with them?STILL?I thought once you signed your contract,you were a THY airline employee.
Obviously you see it to cover inflation,you can also see it as to cover your hotel room having to be 12 hour before your flight for all I care.

Dont worry of my income:D

There was no payrise to any current employees. The stated 20% payrise included the last rise for inflation PLUS 10 hours overtime (based on if you fly 80 hours).

In that respect it was a deceitful stretch of the facts.

TBH De Facto, your posts on this subject don't make much sense. I can't really work our what it is your trying to say. It's like you're arguing with your own points.

Regarding inflation..if you get paid in TL and your rent is in TL and you pay for shopping and services in TL, the exchange effects are isolated. The biggest beef seems to be for those wanting to FX exchange and send "home" cash..I live in Turkey because of the " inflation" in Europe!

That's a fair and valid point Kirks.

Problem is most expats will send money home either for monthly expenses (If they commute each month) or even if they stay in Turkey, they will save for retirement in other countries (most, if not all). So inflation definitely impacts expats more directly.

Although, it does also affect people living in Turkey. Whilst not immediately affecting prices, there is admittedly a lag, but it does indeed affect the Shopping and Rental prices here. I've noticed prices increasing quite rapidly in the Markets and shops, and we all know the Landlords seek a 10% increase each year on rent as a standard policy. Some landlords will appreciate a good tenant and not increase that regular, but they do in general.

It's not uncommon here for cars to be sold for more than they were bought (In TL). That in itself is a great example of the "purchasing" power, or lack thereof, of the Turkish Currency.

Must be my English....
Ill try it another way:
Please be honest.Basic salary and 3 month bonus included.
You signed for how much Lira?
How much are you getting now in Lira?

How much did the agency stated the basic was when you sent your application in TL.
How much do the agencies advert now for basic in TL?

Please stop walking around the bush and give factual numbers...the agency didnt advertise a pay rise adjusted for inflation since YOU signed.

I joined 6 years ago. So WTF does that have to do with this recent "payrise"??

As you want to hear my salary from when i started (which has nothing to do with what we are talking about) From memory it was about 17000 TL per month plust bonus. So (once again from memory) the average would have been about 19000TL (again, its been a while so don't tie me down on specifics).

Now the average including bonus would be 29000 TL.

So by your logic, I guess I should be dancing in the streets as Ive had about a 50% payrise.

I'm not "walking around the bush" as you put it... I'd just like to know what the hell is your point. I still can't work out if you think its a good deal, or if you think THY is doing the dirty, by stating BS payrises.

Anyway, I think it's completely out of order for the Agencies/THY to be advertising these increased salary terms. I mean, they could in effect say there's been a 50% payrise in my case:ugh:

Well if the agencies were advertising a salary that was 6 years old,you would understand the Airline wants to update its terms since the last one no?
If they were still advertising 18000 TL basic and now pilots are making more because of internal salary increase,(some inflation adjustment )I get it why they told the agencies to update the offered pay.
If the 20 % is not correct then the agency should have caught it since they know the difference between the last and new pay.
Now they may have turned a blind eye to get more CV in...but in any case as long as THY didnt tell you that they will rise your salary as direct employee by 20% by next month and then dont,i dont see the problem.
Pilots who join now have the "new contract term" which is your actual terms as a current employee.
No?

So you are trying to sell as a pay rise the actualized normal salary if compared to 6 years ago and put in it 10 hours overtime ah ah ah!!!
You really are incredible.

Can anyone direct me to an ad claiming 20 percent pay rise? I find many with "improved terms" but not specific . Also 10k euro with loss of licence and medical plus star alliance perks is above average as a base for a narrow body, or do you think you are worth more? After all you retain 95 percent of salary.. Some deluded souls out there me thinks

I fail to see the 20%( or even 16.7%, more accurately, in TL) pay rise for new joiners! If this bloke would have had a job offer 3 years ago with 18000TL he most probably would have converted this amount to his local currency( in order to make a balanced decision) and this amount would at that time buy you 10.000,-USD. And NOW this very same agency sends this very same bloke "the improved" conditions with this so called pay rise to 21.000TL job offer. Now pls explain to me why this very same guy now would take on this job if he rejected the previous offer!? because the increased conditions now buys you 7800,- USD roughly. So de facto be my guest,.. all yours. And for once I agree with porkflyer , can't believe I am writing this.

Avenger:

Here is an email sent to me from Sigma (they obviously disn't know I am employed here):

As far as I'm concerned, this is an outright lie. Not even stretching the truth, but completely deceitful.

I replied calling their offer fraudulent, and they of course directed blame to THY saying that's what they were told. This was the reply:
I'd love to hear that reasonable explanation.

Simple fact folks... they think Pilots are complete idiots and will maybe not realise there's been no pay rise!

Disgusting, condescending and a true reflection of how we are perceived by some of the management.

No matter how much you polish a turd......

Exactly...hence they cant recruit, dont take me wrong,the terms are rubbish,but twentyyearstoolate's broker told him/advertised ABOUT 20 % rise, not THY.
Shows a lot,Sigma emails him when they should already have him in their database as working there,and communicated him info that was supposed to lure new candidates and not to give him hope of a one off salary increase..
Just later to admit it was just hearsay.
6 years since hes been there....cant be that bad after all.

30N30W
Email Sigma :E
Seriously, the basic I received from them is 22000 Gross(tax5%).

Sigma was not my Broker. I used them for another Job Offer many years ago so must be in their data base.

Yes, I've been here 6 years. No it's not bad for me personally. I'm generally happy. However, as the Lira continues to devalue, and my raises aren't keeping pace I am concerned.

It's one thing to not want to come here, and if I had a steady job elsewhere I probably wouldn't come either. But to up and leave to join another company doesn't make sense to me in my current situation.

My main gripe is the BS the company have put out there in the market regarding a pay rise that hasn't happened. I want newcomers to come here forewarned. If it still suits you after all the information has been processed, then cool, it's a personal decision.

Do you read any previous posts?

About 25500 TL (but you always get the bonus, so not much point ignoring that)

30N30W

This was my post. All of 6 posts back .... Too far back for you?

It's all there for you so you don't have to tire yourself out anymore with the back button.

Seriously! The same questions over and over. @Twenty... don't bother keep explaining this. It's obviously falling on deaf ears.

How many times do you need to be told how much the salary is, and that there has been no pay rise. Read a few pages for christ sake and see it all there. The same #### hashed over and over.

Join or don't.

Now that is the point, when you go somewhere , anywhere for that matter and you get what's on offer . THAT"s cool period. No moaning.30N30W you will get a warm welcome for sure

Any 777 driver here?
 

Hi I would appreciate if a 777 guy could PM me his Feeling And feed back about the job in THY.

Thanks,

Furbpilot,

I guess I did not express myself correctly for you to have the impression that I am somehow trying to sell a package as something exceptional.
(I am not even in such a position, I am just sharing info from friends from there).

For starters the package what I know of is below industry minimums.

I merely responded to 30N30W , If he knows the deal, that the promised package includes overtime/weekend pay etc. etc. so the projected pay appears to be better than it actually is and he goes for it ...

Turkish Airlines THY working conditions - worse than announced?
 

Any info for the position of FO on 777?
Roster, possibility of career etc?
Thanks

I don't work for Turkish and I don't have any particular love for them but it does seem somewhat strange that Turkish should adjust their salaries based on exchange rates with other countries! As far as I have read they do increase their salaries based on inflation in turkey( I stand to be corrected). I work for a major airline in Europe and we have guys living all over the globe including the US and Canada. I would find it very strange if those guys would get a salary adjustment if the exchange rate between the US or Canada and the euro changes!! This should be left to demand and supply, if they can't get guys based on the exchange rate they should increase it! Just my two cents.

Hi everyone. I am considering a DEC 777 job. Could anyone please tell me what the approx amount of tax (%) is deucted from pay for an expat?
Do you receive a pay statement that clearly shows gross and net pay.?
I am trying to work out if there would be a UK tax liability on top of the Turkish tax.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks

You pay approx 5%, and its clearly marked every payslip.

The UK tax will depend on your circumstances, but with the current laws you will have to pay UK tax if you commute/have a family residing in the UK.

hi 20 years

thanks for the reply. So I guess the UK tax man will want up to another 30- 35%.
Doesn't leave much!!

That's correct. I believe they will allow the 5% you've already paid, but it will still take a chunk of your money and make this gig not worthwhile (IMO).

Good luck :ok:

Your UK residence status affects whether you need to pay tax in the UK on your foreign income.

Non-residents only pay tax on their UK income - they don’t pay UK tax on their foreign income.

Residents normally pay UK tax on all their income, whether it’s from the UK or abroad. But there are special rules for UK residents whose permanent home (‘domicile’) is abroad.
Your tax liability will depend on your resident status.

It's very simple and talk to the revenue guys they are very helpful as they hate paperwork as much as we do:

https://www.gov.uk/tax-foreign-income/residence

Work out your residence status
Whether you’re UK resident usually depends on how many days you spend in the UK in the tax year (6 April to 5 April the following year).

You’re automatically resident if either:

you spent 183 or more days in the UK in the tax year
your only home was in the UK - you must have owned, rented or lived in it for at least 91 days in total - and you spent at least 30 days there in the tax year
You’re automatically non-resident if either:

you spent less than 16 days in the UK (or 46 days if you haven’t been classed as UK resident for the 3 previous tax years)
you work abroad full-time (averaging at least 35 hours a week) and spent less than 91 days in the UK, of which less than 31 days were spent working

THY use and abuse
 

The post election scenario looks quite grim. A coalition government between the Islamist and the fascist nationalist ( AKP/MHP) looks very probable and will seal the fate of expatriate pilots in Turkey. The abuses are nevertheless already ongoing. I heard from friends of sudden changes of base operating airport, unexplained and inexplicable letter of warning and termination, ongoing meddling with seniority to the detriment of expat pilot and to prevent their upgrade or move to wide body, other episodes just confirm that THY is no place for expatriate. And from now most probably less than ever :ugh:

Only for desperados this gig...

:D

There is sure space for improvement and it is slowly happening. I would not be so radical considering the background of THY I think they are doing what they can. Mostly I would think of a way to improve communication ..or lack of it thereof.

I'm happy working for THY.

BUT

1 EUR = 3,11 TL at the moment :*

I understand that THY is not responsible for this, but I hope they will see that they are losing guys because of it.

Hocam, once you're married to a turkish woman you will never be allowed to leave Turkey again, hence no need for the € :}

Well, a lot of us have a family in their home countries.
The ones that get stuck in the 'honey trap' will have to deal with the 10%+ inflation.

Again, I am happy in THY. But I am worried about our salaries.

TypeIV
 

Type you are my hero, you are totally right, ahhhahah Hocam sey, no need for Euro your turkish wife will burn your money in Turkey, showing off with family and friends and you will be squeezed like a lemon.

£1 = 4.25 THY today. When will the lira plateau?

Pegasus is recruiting and advertise 3 weeks ON /1 week OFF

Expecting fair attitude when resigning in THY?
 

Thank you folks for all replies, no matter emotional or not.
Some facts might not be touching everybody, but these more than hundreds posts telling me, something is going on in THY, and it does not look too good.

Before I make a final decision, since I already postpounded my interview dates, would somebody in close connection to leaving pilots be able to confirm, whether THY is playing fair or unfair, when resign from the company?

Out of my 2 ex-colleagues, the last one resigning recently was blocked in intranet system and could not use ID traveling or other benefits, which seams to be a sanctional response by management ....

It seems very strange to think about leaving conditions before you apply with ANY job, and frankly If you are this unsettled or undecided I would advise you stay away, the Turkish culture may not be for you. Something going on? yes true, rapid expansion and preparation for EASA FTLs is making a headache for all. Yes some FOs in training have done hardly any hours since November time and had to put up with just being paid to sit around in the sun and drink beer. Still a general training capacity shortage, although the foreign pilot documentation is much simpler now. If staff leave according to the procedures there are no problems, this happens in any carrier. On the other hand if staff leave and try to book ID tickets outside of the period they are entitled to, then they are blocked, why? well simply because they are no longer entitled to "staff travel".. The system is automatic by ID number and its not personal, you leave, you loose the rights..that's it. If you resign with 60 days notice and leave after 1 day, expect the same, and dodgy medical reports don't count either..staff tickets validity period is only while employed.Many new guys on A330 fleet

Thought this was a forum for pilots.

Actually, so did we!