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Latest Update £1 = 5.9 THY.
Basic Captain B777-300 £5400. OMG, how & why do you guys do it? And theres no respite in sight for the plunging lira. |
Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant
(Post 8970049)
At a recent Turkish Airlines road show the pilot recruiter was asked about when u have to be in IST for your trip. Answer was no requirement... Only 1 hour 30 minutes for each flight.
Regarding sick, what I re all is you get paid wither 75 or 80 percent for long term sick if you follow procedures. I get the distinct impression the wide body lifestyle is more relaxed than the narrow body. I was told that the CEO recently stated there would be a pay rise for pilots coming soon because they are not receiving the applications and qualifications needed. It was also mentioned that this might be for expat pilots, which doesn't make a lot of sense... Should be all pilots Just some of what I recall |
Does anyone know do they have bonding contract (for TR) for NTR FO and how long it takes (A320/B737)?
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Turkey is banned?
Hey what's wrong with the connection to pprune while in Turkey? It says it is banned if you are in Turkey. What's the matter? |
Maybe the truth hurts?
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I see Sigma are still doing the impossible and trying to pass of the latest deal as something revolutionary. They quote "5 consecutive days off" as if THY are the only airline in the world to offer it. I get 7 and I'm based out of my home country.
Clowns. When will they learn? |
According to fellow aviators ex THY, they hear THY have just given a 20% pay rise to cockpit crew...
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Any 20% rise does not cut it against today’s £1=6.2TRY. This only accounts for inflation since March (£1=5.2TRY exchange rate in March 2018). |
Maybe not... on the other hand, you may be viewing this as an Ex-PAT and THY really only care about "locals". The 20% seems to have kept the locals happy...they earn in Lira and spend in Lira..
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Everybody is looking to leave this place, do not come here unless you are really desperate for a job. You have been officially pprune warned |
You need at currency protection plan....or just be paid in stable currency
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Originally Posted by charliedelta35
(Post 10230248)
I wonder if you work there as a cockpit crew..
People do not listen to this fool, people are leaving en mass, and for the record I’am flying for THY. The chief pilot send an e-mail to all the pilots that they are going to peg it to some mix of euro dollar and gold and pay after 6 months etc lot’s of promises and carrot on the stick me thinks.why because lot’s of promisses were made in the past none materialized. enjoy your well spend money on the ng type-rating pumpkin You made the comment below so Let me guess who does not work for THY? I would say the articles is slightly biased. Sometime people mixed up their political/nation wise hates to the such articles. However, I heard from many Turkish pilot that fatigue is high. Working conditions are difficult compare to EU. Please do not forget that Austrian/Media/politicians somewhat have bad feelings about Turkish people or/and government in general which I can observe as Turkish living in EU. I also heard from people who attend THY Flight Academy selection that there are definitely backing to some candidates from intra-company even they dont deserve or have ability, for this reason one of my friend was mentioned that there might be even more incident happen in the future especially in THY. As article mentioned, ex-military pilots are big problem there. They have great experience and ability to fly but when it comes to CRM most of them under standards. |
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Yeah right :yuk:
Originally Posted by charliedelta35
(Post 10230788)
Unfortunately, your language is too low for being pilot. I will not escalate the discussion further.
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Turkish wide body
Hi,
I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish. How many days off and, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days. Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs. How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training. Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience. It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that. Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, while today it is more like 7000. Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more. The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security. |
Turn around ....
Originally Posted by Boeing1234
(Post 10233472)
Hi,
I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish. How many days off and, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days. Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs. How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training. Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience. It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that. Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, while today it is more like 7000. Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more. The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security. |
THY No 1 rule: Whatever you got in your contract, or as deal of earlier days, THY will turn it around and get approval by Union called Hava Is.
THY No 2 rule: At present only Hava Is is allowed to sign legal contracts, and Hava Is are 1% pilot or cabin crew and 99% truck drivers, ground staff, other labors. THY No 3 rule: FTL does not exist, if deamed necesary, THY will isuue a new law and Turkish DGCA will approve, because Mr. E from A wants this airline in the air. THY No.4 rule: We are Turkish, we don not need expats, we have our own nation, nobody is allowed to tell us any other possibilities how to deal with situations. THY No.5 rule: Pilots can fly 25h per day. By the way, this is a serious post. |
RE: I was hoping to get information exclusively dealing with life on the wide body fleet at Turkish.
Why? Are you interested to join? How many warnings does a man need? RE How many days off : By contract 3 weeks ON, 1 week OFF. Real life: 6 weeks ON 1 week OFF REand, if the travel days are included, or are part of the operational days. In earlier days, 1 day was respected to be for traveling RE: Do you know which hotel is planned for crew members when the move to the new airport occurs. Welcome to the lottery. No info and no plan at all. Guess:a company who is not able to help you within 8 years of experience, while the time you need help is between 5 pm to 9 am, and the planned hotel is unable or unwilling to accept you. What would this company help? Answewr: Nothing! Guess more: If now, a complete airport structure with 50.000 labors is moving into an area, where only 5.000 habitants live, where hotels could provide 500 beds at max and the village can provide 200 homes at max, just guess how prices will rise and how this fantastic company will handle the new problems? Pilots will continue to travel on their own by taxi needing 1h of drive. RE: How long does the training take, and do they allow you to go home if there are gaps in training By contract you are not allowed to go home in your ON days, As said, they could put 2 periods together and nobody is able to do anything. . RE: Some of the posters on the other Turkish thread suggest that there is hostility to foreigners - is that your experience. Indeed! Be prepared to get many situations from anybody or nobody. You cannot tell, who is your friend. On top, do not talk against Mr E from A while your phone is on. If smartphone, while it is either on or if Offline, if your aps are online by wifi. RE: It was mentioned that the CP had issued an email stating that pay would be made in a mix of currencies - has there been any development on that. No published information. Just repetetive hot air from Chief pilot, telling the individual future is below the company futere. Rumors saying, no hard currency. RE: Two months ago, the monthly pay was equal to about 8500 euros, This is a complete lie !!! It was never, except Bonus month, this money !! RE: while today it is more like 7000. This is, what it was already before !!! RE: Several years ago it was better than that. In discussions with the company, where is your reasonable expectation of pay - 10000 euros per month, less or more. Dream on. If anybody or if there is a single person telling this, he will be slaughtered by pilots. Forget any high number. Just switch your mind on. THY is Turkey. Turley is Mr E from A. Currency is down due to so many reasons belong to Mr E. Mr E is asking his people to distroy all US products. Do you really believe, Mr E would approve salary payment in US? Do you really believe, one of Turks greatest representitives of Mr E would pay in US? Do you really believe, Mr E would approve a single payment in any other currency than his belioved Turk Lira? RE: The political situation is a variable, as is the currency, so I have read people's opinions on how those will affect any outcome on pay and job security. You must know, that you are trash. They use you, they kick you in the trash bag when a single Turk is able to replace you. The magic question you did not ask: How to survive? RE: How to survive? Never board an aircraft of THY. THY pilots believe, it is not a matter of if there will be a crash soon. The question is, will it happen this month ... |
Wow thanks for the thy info
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Yep, correct
I see someone is really angry, and again it’s a 737 driver in thy. I work there too, not for much longer though. I can only completely and fully agree with everything that is written in all previous answers. I am in the luxury of being a Triple driver. I entered three years ago. Everything has been a constant slide backwards. I thought, gullible, that when E got his presidency a la Putin things would at least stabilize. But the guy has stepped on so many’s toes it is now becoming apparent that the place is in meltdown. it will spiral out of control the last months of this year. A civil war is not unthinkable! (Not my words, from my Turkish colleagues). actual; Salary of july was 41000 tl, the pay out was 6800€ back then. Today that’s 5300 and some change. The new airport; Won’t be ready. Crew terminal will probably consist of Nissen huts or so. Commute will be nightmare. Hotels in the area, 1 Every day on average 1,5 pilot resigns. September will be hell because in the tens will resign at once and go to Pegasus. Company does nothing to stem the flow. They do circle jerks because the profits are huge, until they hit the wall and it comes down on them. And it will because Turks are like any other Asian, too proud and pigheaded to acknowledge the problem. Sorry, I refuse to get into details about long haul roster(West coast USA 13 hr block out and 13 back with 22 hours on the ground, should tell you enough) and other stuff. THY is a deeply employee unfriendly airline. Also to their own good people who by law are not allowed to strike, are represented by a union that’s so far up the ass of E, you can just see the tips of their shoes. To them foreigner employees are troublemakers, always creating difficulty. Wouldn’t surprise me that they allow the current drain to continue to make all foreigners leave. But alas, I now start to sound like a turk, full of conspiracy theories. All I can say is, like all before me, stay THE HELL AWAY! |
Originally Posted by Avenger
(Post 10163153)
According to fellow aviators ex THY, they hear THY have just given a 20% pay rise to cockpit crew...
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Originally Posted by worldnomad
(Post 10237344)
I see someone is really angry, and again it’s a 737 driver in thy. I work there too, not for much longer though. I can only completely and fully agree with everything that is written in all previous answers. I am in the luxury of being a Triple driver. I entered three years ago. Everything has been a constant slide backwards. I thought, gullible, that when E got his presidency a la Putin things would at least stabilize. But the guy has stepped on so many’s toes it is now becoming apparent that the place is in meltdown. it will spiral out of control the last months of this year. A civil war is not unthinkable! (Not my words, from my Turkish colleagues). actual; Salary of july was 41000 tl, the pay out was 6800€ back then. Today that’s 5300 and some change. The new airport; Won’t be ready. Crew terminal will probably consist of Nissen huts or so. Commute will be nightmare. Hotels in the area, 1 Every day on average 1,5 pilot resigns. September will be hell because in the tens will resign at once and go to Pegasus. Company does nothing to stem the flow. They do circle jerks because the profits are huge, until they hit the wall and it comes down on them. And it will because Turks are like any other Asian, too proud and pigheaded to acknowledge the problem. Sorry, I refuse to get into details about long haul roster(West coast USA 13 hr block out and 13 back with 22 hours on the ground, should tell you enough) and other stuff. THY is a deeply employee unfriendly airline. Also to their own good people who by law are not allowed to strike, are represented by a union that’s so far up the ass of E, you can just see the tips of their shoes. To them foreigner employees are troublemakers, always creating difficulty. Wouldn’t surprise me that they allow the current drain to continue to make all foreigners leave. But alas, I now start to sound like a turk, full of conspiracy theories. All I can say is, like all before me, stay THE HELL AWAY! 2014 Wide Body Salary: 26500TL Rate: 0,43USD/TL 11395USD 2015: 26500TL Rate: 0,35USD/TL 9275USD 2016: 33000TL Rate: 0,31USD/TL 10230USD 2017: 37500TL Rate: 0,27USD/TL 10125USD 2018: 43000TL Rate: 0,15USD/TL 6450USD Any further explanation required??? |
Leaked video of a crisis meeting between Mr. E and the finance minister:
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Guys are there any additional income tax besides 5% that need to be paid on year basis?
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stay away from THY on 737
hi all, i am turkish. i have been flying as FO as P4 on 737 at THY since 2014. i have more than 6000 hours and waiting for upgrade almost 2 years, I cannot see what will be happen about upgrades because of seniority. they put the pilots into upgrade lists who have relatives and relationships with goverment people. as you can see, “game of thrones” on theatres.??!! :)) since 2016, crew planning and rostering are worse than ever.
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Turkish airlines working experience
Hi guys,
Previously flew for 5 years as a F/O on the B777 fleet. Wanted to give you a feedback regarding working conditions as an expat: -Please don't waste your time and money with thy, flying there. - don't expect any upgrade for captain, unless your are in the company for more than 5 years and having at least 7000 hours . Might be considered, but only maybe. Expect also racism and unprofessionality during your upgrade process, since the Turkish instructors don't want to have expat F/O to be upgraded. Don't forget as a 777 F/O no command upgrade on the 777 , you have to go back to 737 and sign a bond for 3 years of 19000 euros. - money wise no need to talk, spend my last 10 years in turkey and never saw the Turkish lira going back. Nowadays it looks like it will go back but don't trust it. You will always lose and have instability in terms of your salary. - 777 freighter changed a lot of the rostering in a negative way, you have to dead head sometimes 20 hours to fly finally one leg of 6 hours , which of course your StarWars military captain will be PF. - But not everything is negative , if you wanna commute THY is flying to a lot of places in a daily basis so commuting is quite easy. - off requests in the beginning of my career there was always granted what I ask for , but forget it nowadays. Flying a lot don't forget that. - new airport gives to all employee only question marks, it is too far away from the downtown. No company signal of providing any shuttles for employees . So after each flight you have to drive maybe by your own in the crazy Turkish Istanbul traffic , which you get quite exhausted after a time. Especially when you are tired after a long flight. Take care about that as well. Don't forget as well that in the area of the new airport there are nothing around where you can rent something. So you will have at least a traffic time of 1 hour car or taxi. - at the end I got my 777 rating for free.. moving on my life and career and hoping in my new company to get my upgrade on the 777,. İt is really so great not to be stamped as a stupid expat F/O like in Turkish airlines ...Widen your world. Cheers |
Any update for 777 drivers?
hi there, any update for 777 drivers for actual annual net salary and working conditions? cheers |
THY starts violating expats contract conditions
THY has begun to not paying Sunday duties as specified in contract term number 4.6 that reads:
“if the employee works on Sunday or in the Turkish Religious and National Public Holidays, he will be paid an overtime fee” For those of you that may be considering to join this airline. |
So to heck with contracts clauses, rules and laws? Really?
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Main concern would be stability of currency exchange rate. Beautiful country though and culture.
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For Want of a Nail
Originally Posted by umitatl
(Post 10696541)
First it is applied for all parts in the company,not only for expats.It is absolutely far from ideal but apparently and unfortunately it is implemented so absolute truth is take it or leave it. No one is discriminating the third parties but for the ones who think that contract is devalued enormously are free to leave.
at the end of the day a contract or agreement is legally binding so it can not be just a one way amendment. the really issue is that if such occurrence keep happening then eventually aircrews are going to hit minimum wage because of your mindset people will be paying to fly (p2fly schemes) and that is not a very good image of a flag carrier to have..... from the tone you have, i imagine you have a very narrow field of view on how such things effect not only monetary terms but one performance and global image of the business itself. if you really care about THY ( i do as an expat working for the company for 12 years+) then sacrifice half your salary wait lets put you on minimum wage without consulting you.. and you are right people are free to leave but don't think its so easy to relocate start conversion training and start at the bottom of the stack in seniority list.... just ember this "For Want of a Nail"For want of a nail, the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe, the horse was lost. For want of a horse, the rider was lost. For want of a rider, the battle was lost. For want of a battle, the kingdom was lost, And all for the want of a horseshoe nail |
May start also legal actions and sue the company!!!!!
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Originally Posted by GF4RCE
(Post 10697636)
Not very constructive and your not doing the locals or Turkish Airlines any favors when you have that tone... regardless of what the situation is or if there is a surplus or a need for aircrews...... its part of the T.I.S (collective bargaining agreement) which is protected by the working laws of T. C Turkey. Ideally if there were a need for such drastic measure, it would of been appropriate to sit with the union delegates who represent ( subject if at all) crews and hammer out a negotiation.
at the end of the day a contract or agreement is legally binding so it can not be just a one way amendment. the really issue is that if such occurrence keep happening then eventually aircrews are going to hit minimum wage because of your mindset people will be paying to fly (p2fly schemes) and that is not a very good image of a flag carrier to have..... from the tone you have, i imagine you have a very narrow field of view on how such things effect not only monetary terms but one performance and global image of the business itself. if you really care about THY ( i do as an expat working for the company for 12 years+) then sacrifice half your salary wait lets put you on minimum wage without consulting you.. and you are right people are free to leave but don't think its so easy to relocate start conversion training and start at the bottom of the stack in seniority list.... just ember this "For Want of a Nail"For want of a nail, the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe, the horse was lost. For want of a horse, the rider was lost. For want of a rider, the battle was lost. For want of a battle, the kingdom was lost, And all for the want of a horseshoe nailIt could not be better said.!!!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by umitatl
(Post 10696216)
You are absolutely free to resign if you are pissed off about this infridgement.
That´s why THY has planes grounded without pilots to fly and all those pilots from airlines that have closed in the country are pushing desperate to join THY, right? that´s why your own turkish TRI´s/TRE´s are leaving trying to join other airlines, and failed because don´t have the appropriate level of english. |
Hahahaha
Now moderator wiping out all post.I thought all opinions are welcomed at our society .Anyway plenty of appeals through ministry of labor to terminate permits on progress.Hasta la vista..
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