Bonds...

Its all in the contract and will be explained to you in detail during your initial Skype interview. You will be asked on skype how you intend to provide the funds.

Last I looked the DEC bonds ( bank guarantees) were :
€ 40k for unrated widebody ( eg airbus)
€30k boeing eg 767/744
€20k if 777 rated.(may have been dropped?)

Bonds...

Its all in the contract and will be explained to you in detail during your initial Skype interview. You will be asked on skype how you intend to provide the funds.

Last I looked the DEC bonds ( bank guarantees) were :
€ 40k for unrated widebody ( eg airbus)
€30k boeing eg 767/744
€20k if 777 rated.(may have been dropped?)

I appreciate this but what I was asking, was did anyone know who the bank guarantee is with, which bank or banks?
Cheers.

Normally a "bank guarantee" is written by your own bank, which means they are satisfied that you have the means to pay them back if they pay the airline money according to a default clause, In some cases airlines require a bank guarantee from a particular bank, if it is not your "normal bank" and you have no client history with them they may ask you to deposit funds equal to the guarantee in an escrow type account, which bears interest ( FWIW!) .A chum of mine required a letter of guarantee and the bank obliged after they took a second charge on his home..

Taking out a second mortgage on a home to allow you to join a company who pays a salary to allow you to pay off that very load is self defeating .
But its the way of the modern pilot ( society?) .
Debt debt debt ...

even when you're type rated they ask for a bond...
Atmosphere is good they say ;-)

If its a great place to work you can either suggest no need to bond crews, or on the other foot no need to worry about bond (as long as you have it) when you're not going to move on...
Unless the losses continue to grow?

Lot of interesting and creative talk here, but I do know RCA's in Norwegian can not log a single hour as PIC! You can have discussions if its right or wrong, but as an RCA you are just looking after the aircraft for the Captain and can't log it as PIC. It simply is fraude if you do as Norwegian doesn't let RCA's log their time in the captains seat as PIC. Being RCA is nothing more than a sort of senior FO in Norwegian.

Could an FO otherwise also log PIC time when the captain is in the toilet during flight with a two man crew? Right......

You can say whatever you want about Norwegian LH, how good the working environment is, new planes....etc, at the end of the day 10 days off at home per month for a long haul operation seems very low to me. Most of the domestic low costs offer 12 days off. Flying a widebody should AT LEAST be able to accomodate the same. Looks like guys are currently getting a couple more days off in Scandinavia but this is still days away from home.....

Been here as a Captain a few months now. Some people like it, but I don't.

10 days off and doing over 90 hours east west. First 3 years no overtime pay, so they work you as hard as they can. The times they maybe have a surplus of crew and the schedules aren't as busy you can expect no more days off than 10, but spare days to be standby.

Hotels by the most part are terrible, and the transport is usually a van where you only just fit. Sometimes theres not even enough seats if theres extra crew on training flights. Then a few have to wait for the return trip to get picked up, or agree to squeeze in illegally. Many places you have to call the Hotel yourself to arrange pickup!

Very nice colleagues to fly with, but i got to say I'll be looking for another job as this one is modern slavery.

Midnight cruiser, with that attitude , you will be outta the door my asian friend ;)

How much net can I expect as a FO on the 787?

As far as I understand, it's a contract with rishworth?

Answer 5000 net

So no deductions at all

5000 net as a first officer....your dreaming right!

I think Samca is right 5k Net in Euros though.

Hi, Anybody knows the Net Salary for Captain and Relief Captain under Rishworth contract?

Thats the gross figure without per diem .

Thats about £4900 after tax then ( but without per diem) which could be taxed at a different rate

6. REMUNERATION

. 6.1 Employer shall for the period from the Commencement Date until the termination of this Agreement pay the Employee the monthly payments as follows:
(a) Salary of Captain GBP 7,470;
(b) The Employee can claim destination specific per diems to cover work related expenses for time the Employee spends away from Base outside the UK as part of their flight duties or on other official work-related business. The Employee can claim a maximum amount of GBP 830 per month as per diems based on rosters. Should the Employee claim more than GBP 830 in a month, the Employer may carry forward any excess to the following months until utilised or the current tax year ends, whichever comes first. Should the Employee claim less than GBP 830 per month, the Employer will add any excess carried forward from previous months. If this sum is less than GBP 830, then the difference will be paid as a taxable bonus; and
such payment to be prorated for any employment commencing or terminating part way through a month.

. 6.2 The payments specified in Clause 6.1 above are before Taxes and shall be paid in arrears. The above stated payments are the total remuneration payable to the Employee inclusive of all benefits and no overtime rates or additional payments will apply.

. 6.3 Payment shall be sent from Employer’s bank account to an account to be nominated by the Employee for each month of completed service, no later than the 28th day of the month of service (less any bank transfer charges payments if to more than one bank account, if any). Where the 28th day falls on a weekend or public or bank holiday, payment shall be sent on the next working day.

7. TAXES

. 7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to deduct any Taxes arising at Base or as required under the law of any other jurisdiction.

. 7.2 Subject to any deductions by the Employer in accordance with Clause 7.1 above, the Employee shall be responsible for all Taxes relating to the Employee or to this Agreement, and shall:

. (i) file all tax returns and pay any required Taxes as they fall due in any applicable jurisdiction; and

. (ii) provide the Employer with information requested by the Employer evidencing the Employee ́s tax and social security numbers and payment of Taxes in accordance with Clause 7.2 (i) above;

. (iii) indemnify the Employer and/or the Client in respect of any failure by the Employee to pay Taxes due or comply with any applicable laws and regulations.

Would any of you be so kind to tell us how a normal roster would be for a Cruise Relief Capt? Any chance to commute on days off or they are just spread single days off?

How long does it normally take to upgrade?

Thanks.

I'm interested in any information regarding TnC you might have and as well any information regarding Relief Captain positions

Thanks

I posted the full LGW Captains TnCs above . Direct from my contract . For the unitiated thats it . Oh sorry a £85 phone allowance . So NLH can call you at 3am .

Note that there's no overtime payment . Zilch , zero , Zip.
Hence on the first 3 year contract expect to work all hours God sends ( or should that be Klos sends ;) . For zero remuneration. I mean £0.0.
Who's pockets are you lining?

Note: NLH are very keen that you are not caught up in tax avoidance schemes and explicitly will stand by the contract re local taxation.

If you want Ts&Cs then go straight to Rishworth. They are more than happy to send you the Powerpoint presentations and details if you ask.

I'm sorry, but to copy all of the info I have here is really a waste when they are so keen to disseminate the information!

whats the pay after the first 3 year contract with no overtime?

Is it me or does there seem to be an excessive amount of mystery and cloak and dagger about what happens after the 3 year contract? I saw an oblique reference to after the 3 year period earlier but why is it so hard to be upfront with the details? It might make the appaling pay worth it if you know it does eventually get better!

The above post typifies the modern day pilot. Willing to take "appaling" (posters words) terms n pay , for a perceived increase (Unknown) after 3 years of an "appalling " contract. In the hope of what ?

To join as NLH as DEC, a pilot has to have considerable experience. They are therefore more than likely to be over 40. Most are 45+ for DEC. Its a true wannabe who is willing to sacrifice 3 years of their lives, at this age, in the hope that the next contract may be better. But could be worse, or non existent.

You presume a lot there fly4more. No I'm not willing to come back for that and no I'm not in the age bracket you mention.

I absolutely agree it's appalling pay, however for people wanting to come back to Europe what would you suggest we do? There aren't many DEC jobs available, and those that are available aren't a million miles off what Norwegian long haul is paying. Further it's the European airlines that have gone down the route of specifying that you have to have the type to apply or be willing to pay for it to get the job which further limits the choices people have.

But thanks for the sanctimonious post, you really achieved a lot and helped your fellow colleagues with your innate knowledge of the terms after the three year mark!

Rhodes, you sound like some shell shocked soldier with post traumatic stress disorder. Have you been in battle overseas too long n wish to return to the busom of your mother land? As if they really want you back , thats what happens to soldiers of fortune.

Lets be positive now, at least you can buy a detatched 4 bed residence, perhaps send the kids to grammar school n buy the missus a new mini. If you stayed at J2 god help you with any dreams of private school or a flash gaff.

NLH is a bind for most there. But they dont fight it.

I see your still up to your sanctimonious posting. Hope it helps you smooth the little fellas ego.

How hard is it to answer a question that was asked? If you don't know say so instead of going on some rant about the terms at NLH (your contract posted only covers the first three years and was not what I asked) I notice you aren't on the easyJet page bemoaning the 20-25k sterling up front for a DEC job, why's that? Surely both are as bad as each other?

I agree it's not great pay but family reasons mean that I need to return back to Europe so how bout you wind your next before you start posting crap about someone's situation.

Sadly this forum has gone to the dogs with :mad: like you thinking they're better than everyone and not offering any advice just barbs. So how bout you chew on that.

(PS you've been wrong twice now about my situation re age and previous employer. Any other guesses champ?)

I'm not sure why I bother but again fly4more you're not very good at guessing are you? Wrong on multiple accounts again, yes offered a gig and yes am rated on the bus but keep digging the hole.

And whilst not directly related easy does indeed need a mention after your pop at "those modern pilots who accept appalling terms" as you put it. For surely what easy does is just a different way of skinning the cat?

For anyone else that may know what happens AFTER the initial three years can you please share here or via PM.

Much appreciated.

RCA recruitment seems to have slowed down, do you know when this will start again?

Any idea why nas.ol stocks are having such deep loss?

Been looking over this thread for a while, but no mention of it: How many days Annual Leave do you get? Is it the standard 42 or only 28?

Thanks.

It's the standard 28

I applied a few months ago (RCA) did the online tests and didn't hear anything yet. From what I understand they have a bit of a backlog. But I'm hoping with new aircraft arriving next year things might start happening..fingers crossed!!

Interview Screening Invite
 

I got an email from OSM a week ago. I did the contract briefing and now I am scheduled for the interview with Norwegian in MIA on August 23. Has anyone done the screening in MIA for FLL FO based 787?

Please don't reply to my message if you don't have anything positive to say. My wife just got a job transfer to the EU and this job will help me transfer over there in the next couple years. And if things are not better after the 3 years a lot of pilot are using this experience and going to Virgin Atlantic.

Thanks

Not the way social media works. ;) Especially when you are talking about Norwegian.

Upgrade
 

Ciao to all, I have been offered a Fo position on 787 in LGW with the possibility to be based in FCO soon and because I am from Roma this is a very interesting opportunity for my point of view but before accepting I would like to know if there are real possibility for an upgrade in the near future having 6000 hrs on A320. Does anyone have real experience in that? During the selection I have been told from 7 months to 2 years. Is that real?

Thank you for your answer.

you will need 1000hrs heavy, so including training you're looking at minimum 2 years

How long is the expected upgrade from RCA to Capt? Assuming hour req. are met?
What are the req. for upgrade?
Many thanks!