Just to be clear on this, as it keeps coming up.

It's a three year contract with rishworth, after which it's an open ended contract with OSM.
You have to swap. That's the deal .

Whats the difference between the 2 agencies?? They offer the same deal??

No they don't. Pay is better after the switch.

There's whole threads on this

Sort of been waiting for clarification/conformation of new starter FO on this thread.

I think we are saying....

Years 1-3 with Rishworth on contract to Norwegian ? Figures in NOK on PPJN apply.

Year 3 onwards with OSM. Better figures (again on PPJN in Euro and NOK) but still no direct contract with Norwegian.

So never any direct relationship with your actual employer.

The question I have, and I still believe it perfectly reasonable to ask and yet I cannot see it has ever been answered, is if Norwegian take a dislike to you (wear your hat incorrectly, upset a management type, are late to report a couple of times) and they "return" you to Rishworth/OSM, what happens and what recourse do you have under UK employment law?
As far as I can see you are then left in "dispute" with an agency with absolutely no chance of satisfactory resolution. My understanding of agency contracts is that the ultimate employer can return individuals to the agency for any reason they choose and do not have to justify why they no longer want an individual on their flight decks.

And do Rishworth pay UK taxes and National Insurance on behalf of the agency pilots they place with Norwegian or are they self employed?

Anyone waiting +1,5 months for results of the online assessment?

Sooner or later a judge will give you the answer. And that's the problem...

@dreamflight1;

Completed the tests mid December haven't heard anything since. Anyone else in a similar situation? Thought Norwegian were desperate for pilots?

OSM take the stance that you are an employee solely with them.
For example, if you wanted, as I did, to take advantage of the 737 'winter downsizing', and take a short contract with an overseas company, OSM robustly stated that I work for them, and only them. To work on any contract elsewhere would require my resignation, first. However, to take advantage of the 'winter downsizing' would entail taking unpaid leave.
This is a different stance to that taken by ARPI.

So. If one is an employee of OSM, and Norwegian choose to no longer use your services, surely OSM are obliged to continue the permanent and full time employment, with permanent and full time basic salary.

I think you will find that if Norwegian no longer "require your services" an excuse along the lines of "by your actions you have threatened the relationship between OSM & their client & risked bringing OSM into disrepute" as opposed to "hard luck old boy, fancy a contract with Transavia in MUC ? " . . .anyhow, they have very little to offer on the 737, and, even less on the 787 so, you will in all likelihood be simultaneously dismissed from OSM if NAS don't want you. . . . . .

Are you guys rated 78/777 and waiting that long to hear back??? Also left or right seat?

There's about 30 new pilots starting every month.

Therefore I guess the recruitment team is flat out. They'll get to you no doubt

Anyone know if the online tests have a validity in which they must be completed?

I wouldn't bet on that ;)

RHS non type rated 3500TT - 2 months now since I took the tests.

Recruitment ads are appearing for flight crews to join the “Norwegian family” via employment with service provider OSM. In an interview on January 16, OSM CEO, Espen Hoiby, assures “the best possible collaboration between unions and the company”:

http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH

However, in meetings on February 14 and 15 between crew member’s union representatives and management, the gross hypocrisy of Norwegian’s “family values” was made apparent:

http://cabinassociation.org/current-events/

“The most disappointing moment at the meeting, though, is when Management said that they would not allow the NCCA to start collecting Union Dues. Many words were exchanged and it’s apparent that Management is still upset at our Union victories last year when we won every legal battle against the Management and finally emerged victorious with our union being voted in.
The inability of our Union to collect dues is very serious as it will affect our ability to successfully negotiate a contract and Management knows this. Without dues money, our Union cannot afford the legal advisers, economic advisers, and other professional services that result in you, our members, receiving the best contract we can negotiate”

What has this got to do with this thread? I hear chumps shout. Well, on joining you will become a Norwegian family member and wear the same '100% Norwegian' badge as your US (and Spanish) relatives – or perhaps you don’t care about your family.

+6000hrs jet, applied for RCAPT position. Finished online asessments in September. Got email in November saying application still active. No news since then. Anyone in similar situation? How long it takes to be invited for Interview?
Cheers

Captainplaystation

Well good luck with the Spanish courts !!! I doubt Norwegian will settle at the court doors, Spanish law is a minefield, it could go either way depending on whether your case is heard pre or post siesta time, we are talking 3rd world judiciary here, but it could be worse if you were in Roma the outcome would be known already, but not to you....

i did the online test and was given assessment dates just a couple of days later, this was in January. assessment will be in March. Relief capt. Not sure I'll go there because they are not really answering questions about T and C...

Shiver me timbers quell surprise Pilots always seem to forget about the S word when they take jobs. And OMG you have to pay for it also - The answer is don't commute

Hi,

Just today I complete the online tests. Coming from a LoCo company in Europe B737 4500+ hours ATPL . I applied for FO.

Can you tell me how many time usually it will take to have an answer?

Another question, I'm looking for Barcelona, it is possible to have the base which you gonna go before the interview?

Last one, can anyone share a Roster just to see flying hours, Duty hours and stby days?

The training cost bond is from my bank or a you just sign a document?,

Cheers

Sim
 

I'd appreciate any Sim feedback for the Norwegian LH assessment!

After a few days, I have the answer to the tests. Seems to be I'm not the kind of person they are looking for...

Thank you for your application and your interest in our company, and we are sorry to have to inform you that we have chosen to prioritize other applicants for the position in question.
We would like to thank you for your interest and wish you the best of luck for the future.

You are naturally welcome to apply for other positions we advertise. We recommend that you activate the job agent in our recruitment solution. This will ensure that you receive notification by e-mail whenever we advertise new situations vacant that match your criteria.

Did the Assessment for NAS in Miami. Interview,some tech questions which I couldnt remember and Compas Test. Lastly,sim eval. 5 days later received a Dear John letter. Thanks but,no thanks.

@Joe
Out of interest- what fleet did you apply for? 787 or the MAX? I hear interviews in MIA are for both fleets?
What position did you aim at and what is your experience if you don't mind to share?
And I wonder where the other applicants come from?
Thanks for your info!

Question Ref Norwegian
 

Can someone inform me as to how Norwegian, as a foreign operator, can operate out of Gatwick to destinations various, competing and actually denying business to true British carriers? Is it part of the EU agreement. If so I must admit I can't wait until the skies belong to our operators again.

In the same way eJ does across Europe. As horrible as the Norwegian employment model is, we should be careful what we wish for.

Absolutely. It's the same rules which allow easyJet to establish a base at e.g. Schiphol and cart people from there all over the continent and UK. Works both ways, you see.

The aircraft Norwegian have based at Gatters are Irish registred, that is until they've got their UK AOC up and running and start transferring aircraft over to G-reg. The RoI is a full EU member, Norway is an EEA member, which brings most of the benefits of being a full EU member - including the ability to launch an airline anywhere in the EU under a Norwegian AOC.

Norwegian is 'denying business' no more than any other airline operating in the UK or EU; they are offering a product which a large and growing number of people are reacting positively to. There's nothing stopping a UK company doing something along the same lines, and indeed they have - with tremendous success.

Norwegian UK Operation
 

Thanks to all for explaining that. I suppose any UK company could have taken the initiative and been there first.

The difference is how far down costs can be driven and who is prepared to force terms and conditions in to the dust the hardest. Any model that deliberately separates its workforce from the true employer is in my opinion a step too far.

Some people are not reacting so positively, especially when;

Large numbers are left stranded and distraught –

http://cphpost.dk/news/thousands-lef...0-flights.html

Aircraft pressurization is overlooked –

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/norw...etene/65397686

Emergency exits are unmanned –

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/norw...synet/60837640

They would rather not skid off the runway –

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/pass...andningsbanan/

They need to position their pooch –

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/hund...anikk/67444344

Fingers, toes and paws may be needed to count the costs of Norwegian’s “extras” legacy carriers commonly include in their ticket price –

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sherma...b_5589408.html

@ Direct Bondi

Can you post news of 2017... Not constantly repeat old news over and over again!

Thank you

Hello guys, Has anyone applied recently? What kind of time frame are we talking form online tests to sim? Any info appreciated! Also, if anyone has done the sim recently and is willing to give a quick over view then please PM me! Cheers!

Hi guys! anyone has some info about relief captain position? I would like to know in particular:

1) where the relief cpt seats normally, t/off & landing.
2) are the hours logged as full PIC?

cheers guys

SNAK

I dont work for Norwegian but as a general rule...

A relief Captain only flies in the cruise segment. Hence sits in an observer seat during take off and landings.

PICs time is logged only when sitting in the operating seat.

I think the cruise Capts get to count ~50% of their time in the seat as PIC time. Something like that.

I have a friend who joined earlier this year and online assessment to invite was 7 days and they wanted him to assess the following week. When he passed the assessment they were flexible about the joining date and Rishworth were pretty helpful.
He's still in line training, which is taking a while, but is enjoying the Company and hasn't got a bad thing to say about them......unlike some here!

That is on par with several reports that I have heard as well from friends that were hired through Rishworth as well as OSM.

Classes are full, high calibre 380/777 skippers from especially the middle east have taken the jump to be closer to home, and even though they have taken a pay cut, many are finding the relaxed and professional working environment to be very beneficial. Colleagues are excellent, and after a couple of years on the Rishworth, trainers are grossing around 200.000 euros pr year on the osm contract for example..

directmisbi. Are you a pilot or Norwegian management or OSM ?

Afternoon all,
Anybody have any ideas regarding the bank guarantee for the B787 type rating bond? I couldn't see any info on the earlier posts.
Cheers