Surely thats their training providers fault for not teaching it properly. MPLs are bespoke courses to the sponsoring airlines needs. I would expect BA to tell the relevant ATO to rectify the deficiencies in training rather than just giving up on a chunky investment of time and money. No guarantees taking cadets from elsewhere will result in anything better.

Have the first of the BA MPL cadets started on the A320 yet? I thought the scheme opened in 2018. I know BA city flyer have had MPL cadets for a few years now.

OTOH; and purely anecdotal; the son of a friend of mine was due to fly to the US to start training as a BA cadet the day after 9/11. Needless to say, this was delayed with no indication of when or if it would be reinstated. The employer he had just left took him back and he’s now on the main board of a FTSE 100 company. As one door closes another opens.

YS

SleepyBhudda,You make a very good point but these are three,four years out of school in established airlines both domestic and ME.A colleague recently witnessed the candidate’s CFIT during procedural letdown due turning the wrong way.

Good news for those of you who are crap at flying/CRM/decision-making etc, BA are trialing ditching the sim assessment for a select number of A320 DEPs.

Bad idea and could be expensive long term.
IMHO only one category is capable of that path is RAF.
BTW I’m not ex military.

Don't worry..it's only a trial :bored:...there's obviously no chance of screening by way of a sim being dropped for all candidates, even if a cost saving does get demonstrated....no, no chance at all..:oh:

Interesting.

What's the criteria for these fine individuals?

Anyone else got a start date In May and looking to share accommodation for TR course?

what utter tosh. In my experience ex mil are often the ones that need it the most! CRM and all that!

but that’s another thread.

ditching the sim is a very very bad idea! I think most people at coal face are horrified.

:rolleyes:

:ok:

The only part of the selection that actually assesses the candidate under a bit of pressure while working alongside someone they’ve probably never met and managing the day to a safe and sound outcome regardless of issues coming up here and there. Ie what we actually do every day at work.

And it’s being ditched!

That verbal reasoning garbage is obviously much more valuable!

We’ve seen some odd decisions made in the last few years dressed loosely as anything other than cost cutting, but this is by far one of the most shocking.

I respect your comments 2Whites 2Reds.
Do you have any idea of the Fail rate in the sim up to the time that this decision to waive the sim ride was made.
I understand it only relates to 320 applicants.
My Take is the Group Exercise is the most important element up to the sim.

no idea on the figures I’m afraid. Sorry, didn’t mean to snap. Wrong side of bed this morning.

Like many, I view the sim as a vital part of the recruitment process and I’m appalled they’ve decided to ditch it regardless of background or intended destination fleet. The sim has never really been about ability to fly. But more about navigating your way through a sector to a safe outcome alongside someone you’ve probably never met regardless of what’s thrown at you.

I think we could all do without the computer games and maths tests. But the sim.....bad idea.

Guess which part of the recruitment process costs the most.

Is there anyone who's been offered a 320 job recently who can give me an idea of how long they were in the hold pool? Ta

Please forgive me here but if you can fly a 320 for ezy (majority of 320 rated will be ezy) why can't you fly one for BA?

suppose they want to see a level of CRM which may not be present (lot of easy are ex cadets that don’t do a sim there)

Also the ability to learn/adapt as you go (looking to a future long haul TR)

Why bother interviewing either? If you can pass the interview for EZY then why can’t you pass one for BA?

Coal face Captains getting on the issue and they will have to fly with this elite group without a sim ride and before that sim trainers to satisfy..