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student88 23rd Feb 2020 21:36


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 10693680)
Are they skipping the Sim for everyone who is already 320 typed, or all applicants?

Or perhaps there's a criteria if you have several thousand hrs and are NTR?

From what I have heard it's only for easyJet applicants.

kendrick47247 23rd Feb 2020 22:21


Originally Posted by student88 (Post 10694408)
From what I have heard it's only for easyJet applicants.

Then I’d suggest being a little more selective with your hearing

bringbackthe80s 23rd Feb 2020 22:33


Originally Posted by kendrick47247 (Post 10694430)
Then I’d suggest being a little more selective with your hearing

kendrick got offended, he also wants to be elite😂😂

kendrick47247 23rd Feb 2020 22:37


Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s (Post 10694433)
kendrick got offended, he also wants to be elite😂😂

😂 elite? It was a tongue in cheek response.

Even on a rumour network I think it’s worth squashing things that aren’t true.

GKOC41 24th Feb 2020 14:09


Originally Posted by Phantom4 (Post 10692570)
Wiggy,Two Whites Two Reds.
Good morning and kindly humour me.
HR are trying to wrest control of Pilot Recruitment as it falls under their budget and not Flight Ops.
Its happened before and a Senior TC approached FoD who resisted it at that time.
HR do not understand nor would I expect them to the intensity,dynamic and mental Model required to perform in the simulator.They have minimal concept of terms such as MSA and CFIT.
Pilot Recruitment is Perhaps the only career path that is not exclusively run by HR and they don’t like it that way.
I stand corrected on Knight falling on his sword but if he wants to save his team he had better stand up to the task or it will be the thin end of the wedge.

Gone are the days when Chief Pilots used to ring each other up and if they got a recomendation they knew the guy coming was a right wayne kerr or a good egg. Failing that the assessors and HR both said no this guys no good but then someone up the chain said take him on.
Anyone else familiar with that? :ugh:

student88 24th Feb 2020 17:53


Originally Posted by kendrick47247 (Post 10694435)
Even on a rumour network I think it’s worth squashing things that aren’t true.

Okay clever clogs, what information do you have which refutes what I have heard?

kendrick47247 24th Feb 2020 18:21


Originally Posted by student88 (Post 10694992)
Okay clever clogs, what information do you have which refutes what I have heard?

Didn’t mean it to come across like that at all, apologies. Ex-Thomas Cook friends were passed in January with no sim.

Word is that during the “lunch” presentation candidates are told that only NTR A320 will be required to attend the sim assessment

Alrosa 24th Feb 2020 20:50

Interesting. So presumably you can have zero CRM skills, or missing tonnes of BA pilot competencies, but as long as you can fly an A320 you’re in. If you’re not A320 TR these skills must be assessed in the sim.

Unless I’ve missed the point of the BA sim assessment, this doesn’t seem right.

wiggy 24th Feb 2020 20:59


Originally Posted by Alrosa (Post 10695090)
Interesting. So presumably you can have zero CRM skills, or missing tonnes of BA pilot competencies, but as long as you can fly an A320 you’re in. If you’re not A320 TR these skills must be assessed in the sim.

Unless I’ve missed the point of the BA sim assessment, this doesn’t seem right.

i think somebody has decided that some, if not all of the above mentioned competencies can be assessed in an interview or group exercise scenario.

if this is anything like the many other trials I have seen over the years at BA then the result has already been decided...




nightfright 25th Feb 2020 17:14

Stop bein bitter and get on with it - their train set and their decision ........ the sheer fact that A320 TR guys are cheaper means they have an advantage - BA wants A320 guys not anyone else and don’t be delusional thinking that they will choose you for the competencies only -..... cash is king and if they get a bum on the seat with less spend - that’s what they will have

wiggy 25th Feb 2020 19:51


Originally Posted by nightfright (Post 10695770)
Stop bein bitter and get on with it - their train set and their decision ........ the sheer fact that A320 TR guys are cheaper means they have an advantage - BA wants A320 guys not anyone else and don’t be delusional thinking that they will choose you for the competencies only -..... cash is king and if they get a bum on the seat with less spend - that’s what they will have

I think most of the recent contributors to this thread successfully got “on with it” a few (or in at least one case many) years ago...but thanks for the advice...

BitMoreRightRudder 25th Feb 2020 20:00

It is without doubt a cost saving measure and of course relieves the pressure on the training department.

However all this worry over “standards falling” needs to be offset against the fact that sim check or not, these A320 DEPs will still have to pass the initial BA “short” course with not a huge amount of time to get used to the SOPs and BA, erm, “philosophy” when it comes to how we operate. It’s not like they pass an interview and start flying the line the next day is it? I know a few highly capable people from ezy back when I joined who failed the sim check at BA for who knows what reason, and they are every bit if not more capable than me, so go figure. If you can fly an Airbus for ezy/shamrock/TC you can most likely fly it just as well for BA and if you can’t you won’t get past the sim short course or line training.

Still plenty of time to **** up if you aren’t up to scratch. And let’s face it, if there is a sudden spike in failures from guys who didn’t have to jump through the sim ride hoop then the “trial” will be ended pronto given that would be a far most costly and time consuming issue for the various beancounting silos that make up what used to be called BA.

I really don’t see this affecting the price of fish tbh.

wrong_attitude 28th Feb 2020 10:02

Morning all,

For anyone joining on the SH course commencing 20th April - Let me know / DM me!

For anyone with upcoming assessments DM me also, more than happy to help others.

Safe flying and have a good weekend folks.

WA

RexBanner 29th Feb 2020 12:12

In the current climate are start dates even still being handed out? Rumours of 3 weeks unpaid leave being offered on the 777.

CXKA 29th Feb 2020 12:19

Have not heard anything re 3 weeks, they have offered us to be able to drop trips for unpaid leave on the 777. I do worry that those in the pool may be swimming a lot longer now, though hopefully I am wrong on this as I have a few mates swimming.

wiggy 29th Feb 2020 12:29


Originally Posted by RexBanner (Post 10698964)
In the current climate are start dates even still being handed out? Rumours of 3 weeks unpaid leave being offered on the 777.

As CXKA says unpaid leave of some duration very definitely being offered on the 777, notice came out a few days ago.

IMHO it’s hard to see how both the hold pool and recruitment are not going to be hit by this.

VinRouge 29th Feb 2020 12:36

Recruitment was stated today in the Times business section as one way of pairing back expenditure and reducing costs.


Jock Trapped 29th Feb 2020 16:06


Originally Posted by CXKA (Post 10698970)
Have not heard anything re 3 weeks, they have offered us to be able to drop trips for unpaid leave on the 777. I do worry that those in the pool may be swimming a lot longer now, though hopefully I am wrong on this as I have a few mates swimming.

Does anyone have an informed opinion as to where one might stand having been given a start date and submitted notice to current employer, awkward timing and wondering how much of a “done deal” a signed contract actually is 😬

kookiesandkreme 29th Feb 2020 20:33


Originally Posted by Jock Trapped (Post 10699111)
Does anyone have an informed opinion as to where one might stand having been given a start date and submitted notice to current employer, awkward timing and wondering how much of a “done deal” a signed contract actually is 😬


+1!!



c h a r a c t e r s

boeing89 29th Feb 2020 20:51


Originally Posted by Jock Trapped (Post 10699111)
Does anyone have an informed opinion as to where one might stand having been given a start date and submitted notice to current employer, awkward timing and wondering how much of a “done deal” a signed contract actually is 😬

Same here...and already left previous airline in anticipation of starting.


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