For BA, there are advantages in recruiting older as they're not going to be on the highest payscales and stay forever given attrition has been very low. Attrition rates may change however.

Short haul review due to report in september I think. I however have been expecting it for weeks and nothing happens. I now for the life of me can't make out if I have made up this time frame or been told it by others. The emails to soften us up were sent out months ago. Anyone actually know?

Anyone know how long it takes after day before you get yes or no?

After day 1 I had a reply via email the next morning.

If you don't mind saying, was it good or bad news mark, pm me if you want. Just be good to know if the bad or good news goes out first, thanks

tested this week and not heard yet. Anybody had a no or yes from this week yet, wonder how long No takes?

I also went for stage one tests on Wednesday, not heard anything either. I know someone who attended Mondays assessment who got a "yes email" the next morning, so I am starting to think no news is not good news!!

Anyone go on Wednesday and have a yes or no?

BA Direct Entry Pilot.
 

Got an email this morning with a PFO! Oh well!!

Sorry to hear mate.
What was your profile?
Thanks.

BA Direct Entry Pilot.
 

1600 TT with 1000 on the bus.

:eek:
too bad!!!
Sorry to hear that...
Good luck mate:ok:

BA Direct Entry Pilot.
 

Thanks. Best of luck to the others. There will be other opportunities :-)

747-400 campaign (qualified) to start shortly.....

And your source is? I think many in the company would not accept it without a fight

bex

As direct from LC as you can get. Can't comment on internal bid politics..

bex

I'm absolutely sure there would be a little "adverse comment" :ooh:, certainly on a certain other forum, but AFAIK there's nothing in any agreement to prevent direct recruitment to Long Haul in certain circumstances - it has happened before.

The trigger would be the Airbus training system becoming full to capacity handling the FPP graduates now joining us (blimey they look young :uhoh:) ..and the imminent tranche of DEPs, leaving no flex to allow the additional training caused by aspirational movements off Short Haul on to Long Haul. At that point any short fall in Long Haul manning has to be filled by direct recruitment onto those Fleets.

Interesting that despite the 777 running a bit tight the rumour concerns recruiting into a fleet that is meant to be running down, albeit very slowly.

It isn't running down that much. The plan is around forty airframes for another decade.

running down it might be, but there are also lots of rats deserting the ship :)

Well it's all good to see the need for pilots. There are however many who want to go LH but have not had successful bids. They would be frustrated by this and understandably so.

It makes sense if you require a handful of 747 pilots quickly to look for rated individuals rather than taking a pilot from one fleet and effectively having to bear the cost of two ratings.

It's a shame BA doesn't just swallow up the spare (if any) GSS guys and gals that were unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end of BA's cargo policies

Now that I think a lot of us would support!

Mate of mine is completely convinced by a mate of his that the latter got straight into BA 747 circa 1997. Did 18 months RHS 747 and was then offered FO Training or Command course. Took the latter on 737 and has been a TC for the last 1o years. All mainline. I and others , except my mate, are astonished. But, sometimes it is right place, right time. I was BEA at the time of the BEA/BARD integration and wanted to go, desperately, to BOAC (still heading for the full merger). Way behind SFO's and 890 on the FO list it became very clear that I had no chance. I would have been mighty peeved if BOAC jumped all of us & took direct entries on the 707/VC10. But, these days, beancounters rule and I daresay that existing rules can be easily circumnavigated in the interests of company economic health. Cripes, I am beginning to sound like Walshie !

DEP LH has been offered in the past - as you say, '96-'97 certainly. In fact I was offered 747 but pushed for 757/767 and got it.

LGW Commands were effectively "DEC" about then as well... as you say, it would be via a LHR fleet, but the LGW T&Cs poor enough, and rate of progression/retirements elsewhere, many took it soon after joining.

Since then the 65 retirement age, stagnation, improved LGW T&Cs mean the LGW Command time is now high (but not as high as LHR of course), and we have plenty of SH P2s desperate to get to LH and eligible. That is why LH DEP recruitment might cause a few ripples :ooh:

Slow jet,

It's true I have flown with him. He now has a longhaulish cmd. Right place right time and in BA the right bid.

Regards

There are several DEPs on the -400 from that recruitment in 96-7 who are still SFOs on the -400. That gives you a measure of stagnation in BA.

Lindsay Craig has posted a LinkedIn update today asking for any B747-4 rated pilots that might be interested in joining BA to register for regular email alerts via the BA Careers portal.

Maybe for commands on a LH fleet, but equally they could easily have had SH commands by now if they'd so desired.

Hmm...they didn't seem very interested at the time when BALPA tried to raise some hope for us. Most of the guys and gals have since disappeared off to the sandpit and other destinations although there are a few of us likely to be around in the near future and I for one would certainly have a go, worth a try and a far better alternative than looming unemployment.

I suppose that the existing folk who wanted a shot at LH might be a bit fed up, but not half as fed up as the GSS crews were when we got pushed out onto the street earlier this year.

Remember, there's always someone worse off than yourself, especially outside of the BA bubble, try and have a bit of sympathy. Anyway most of us remnants are in our last 10 years or so and will likely be retired to the desert along with the airframes. All you young thrusting types can enjoy yourselves on the 777/787/A380.


Any idea when it might happen?

Any info on how the 320 DEP recruitment is going?

I flew with someone who is an assessor, and they explained they were inundated with applications from Monarch. No shortage of highly qualified quality people.

Exactly what expected.
Thanks mate:ok:

75% of whom won't even make it past First Stage because BA have a profile that needs fitting.

:eek:

that's interesting to know mate...

Superpilot, that is very interesting :confused:

Come on guys, it ain't rocket science. There's loads of stuff on here to help get you through. BA selection is always about giving good examples to the questions in the interview, No examples..no job offer. Openness and effectiveness to getting to the goal in the team stuff. A bit of mental maths and verbal reasoning tests (lots of good places to practice those online), and then the sim (lots on here about that too).

Despite what you may think of the process, that's the process, and there's no secret to it.

As I think may have been mentioned before direct recruitment to Long Haul is not new, no rule change required or Irish CEO needed .

Some of us joined BA as DEPs quite a while back with no heavy or four jet experience and went straight on to the "classic 747"....and 18 months later some of those were sitting in the RHS of brand new 744's (Reason probably being the BA pilot short haul position was apparently quite lucrative at the time).

Entirely possible and all above board, as has been said right place, right time.

Nothing new here. The last big DEP intake circa 2010/11 saw people go directly to the 744 fleet. I knew a number of them as they once flew for my current outfit. They had zero LH experience, but were Boeing rated.

DEP onto LH has happened many times in the past and, unfortunately for those stuck on SH at the moment, will probably happen again.

Whilst this will be a bitter pill for those wishing to transfer from SH to LH it is mainly going to be generated by training capacity. In order to release a SH pilot to a LH conversion course his/her seat needs to be filled prior to release.

Possibly due to a bit of shortsighted planning BA are struggling with workload on SH and the training department is already stretched with the projected training of current allocated DEP's and FPP's.

The LH fleets continue to grow however with the recent delivery of the final 777-300 and the last 787-800. There is now a short breather before commencement of 787-9 and 787-10 deliveries next year and we are still awaiting a decision on the 777X.

There is rumor that there is little or no training capacity on the Airbus to allow fleet transfers to go ahead in the current training year. BA has thumb screwed the trainers to the point where they are, quite rightly, balking at forced overtime.

Given the above scenario and the necessity for crews on the LH fleets especially as the 744 retirement programme inevitably drags there is a good business case for DEP LH entry.

Always keep in the back of the mind though that you will join at the very bottom and, when capacity allows, all of those wishing to transfer from SH to LH with valid bids will join the fleet roster ahead of you. It's a long journey at the bottom with a new rostering system that will undoubtedly benefit the company more than you. :{