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kungfu panda 19th May 2014 06:37

You're trying to wind us up now aren't you Flash8.

It is well recognized isn't it that 25 year old drivers are so much safer and on the ball than 50 year old drivers.:ugh:

737 Jockey 19th May 2014 06:57

Captplaystation... On the money as always!:ok:

In my humble opinion of course! :}

Narrow Runway 19th May 2014 07:06

CaptPlayStation
 
No need for apology, but gratefully accepted. Thank You.

We all have differing thoughts and methods of putting them across.

Personally, having flown charter, long haul scheduled, low cost european and VIP private ops I can honestly say that all have been different - with different pressures from managers and even owners.

I completely agree that all good captains would allow FO's to thrive and develop. This is, of course, limited by a number of factors - not least FO ability, captain ability and the confidence displayed by both of them.

I have never really understood the OFDM problem. Surely, by acting professionally and aiming to stay a step ahead of the game ensures that OFDM doesn't become an issue.

I always try and stay a little bit "grandpa" in my approaches. I don't have too many grey hairs yet either :ok:

LNIDA 19th May 2014 07:38

TT or T on type boils down to experience, the problem is that for some 10 years is no more than 10 x 1 year !

What experience should teach us is the same thing (most of) us learnt as kids if it hurts don't do it again, of course there is limit to the trial and error approach of learning whilst flying.

I personally think route experience is far more relevant when dealing with the threats say from the non radar environment of the Greek Islands on a busy night with TS activity

despegue 19th May 2014 08:07

Any Professional airline uses the FDM to monitor trends and to inform crews of a potential dangerous situation on one of their flights in order to train, inform and remedy, NOT TO PUNISH.( unless there is intentional endangering of the crew and aircraft by major breaches of SOP and aircraft limitations)

As a result, in any Professional Airline, no crew is afraid of the FDM, which is there to help discover potentially dangerous trends, not to kick you in the a$$.

Any airline that uses FDM to fine. Punish or fire is an airline that should not have an AOC in any developed country.

Jetdriver 19th May 2014 10:55

Have around 300 pilots left RYR lately?
 

Have around 300 pilots left RYR lately?
Back on track please. There are other threads dealing with crew experience issues involving all the same contributors.

TypeIV 19th May 2014 10:59

Ryanair claims there is no shortage or no one leaving but how comes they are even considering DEFOs? and people are being rostered to fly 70 hours in June, during the first two weeks of the month... that is. :}

Pablo_Diablo 19th May 2014 11:52

Jetdriver reckon it has to be more now considering the adīs lately, hear some fly max already more or less so they are really short.

Didnīt believe the ad also initially. Had to take off my yellow/ green Raybanīs and turn down the volume on Sean Paul on the stereo and have another look.

Still same thing. DEFO, DEC even non-rated, cadets, the whole nine yards.

Aluminium shuffler 19th May 2014 19:10

There are a lot of people being asked to fly on days off. There doesn't seem to be too much pressure to accept, though.

polax52 20th May 2014 21:37

With no career structure there will always be a high attrition rate at Ryanair. That rate will go up and down with the demands of the market but when it gets high the contagious effect can make it crippling.

There isn't any Pilot shortage but when Pilots leave faster than they can be replaced the effects are much worse than prolonged strike action.

WX Man 22nd May 2014 10:31

Trying to ignore the safety/experience debate, I reiterate my last question:

- does anyone think there will be a change of policy in RYR, so that experienced non-TR'd F/Os will be taken on?

If I get to age 40 and I'm still flying TP's, I'm going to jack in flying.

Globally Challenged 22nd May 2014 10:58

They are now advertising direct entry PIC and FO both rated & non-rated on a variety of contracts. So I would say there is a chance.

space pig 22nd May 2014 15:20

Turboprop? forget it no chance.
The smallest jet of which they have hired DEC from in the past was a BA146 and that was years ago.


The fact that they now mention 20000 kg as the bottom limit means a lot




What they fail to understand is that it is much cheaper to keep the good crew you have than to find new ones( and typerated B737 NG guys are not on the market with so many companies hiring)


If they would start giving people the base they want instead of sending you were you dont want that would keep a a lot of captains in the company.
Not being with your family is a big thing.

As always my humblest of opinions the above

WX Man 23rd May 2014 09:09

Yes, just seen that ad.

And as you said: looks like it- Turboprop: no chance.

If I could go back to my 23 year old self, I'd tell him to save his Ģ48,000 that he spent on a modular course and go and buy a house. Do it up, sell it on. Repeat.

I'd own- and fly- my own Global Express by now.

Callsign Kilo 23rd May 2014 10:29

Ha ha, WX Man. I thought the advice to your 23 year old self was sound. Then you said you buy and fly your own aeroplane with the proceeds!!

RAT 5 24th May 2014 09:39

We have been doing 100 a month throughout the winter and last summer and you do not need to be a mathematician to figure out that a huge part of the captains will be running out of Yearly limits soon and the whole machine comes to a grinding halt.

Does RYR still have this dubious mathematical shenanigan that allows them to zero hours at 1 April? That was an inexplicable IAA allowance that meant one could do well over 900hrs in a 12 month period. Under EASA is that still possible? Absurd if so.

Aluminium shuffler 24th May 2014 17:00

That zeroing of annual flight hours is now EUOps and replaced the JAROps 900 in 365, so applies across all of Europe, as I understand it.

First Officers are also doing 100 hours per 28 days now, as of the last couple of months, so it won't just be Captains they'll run out of in the winter.

JeroenC 25th May 2014 08:08

Have around 300 pilots left RYR lately?
 
Space Pig, you better read that memo again. You're afraid of something which isn't true.

RAT 5 25th May 2014 12:06

A.S. I'm out of it now, but are you saying it is now legal to fly >900hrs in 365? Ouch! Short haul that is.

Aluminium shuffler 25th May 2014 14:30

According to the IAA inspector I had a chat with, yes Rat, as long as the total drops below 900 on the one nominated day of the year, the rest of the time you can have significantly over 900. I'm regularly seeing 920-930/365, and boy am I feeling it!


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