Is this a case of RYR not only having changed the flying experience for the pax; not only having changed the general T's & C's for the air crew, but now effected a change, for the worse, in the FTL's of the whole of EU? If true, truly amazing. Or is this just an IAA interpretation of EASA regs? They too seem very malleable when needed.
The tail may truly be wagging the dog. The decline in overall T's & C's, including a severe worsening in average working days over the past 20 years, is scary to behold. Where will it end? Ever more productivity and destroyed family life for less reward. It has often been countered with the argument that the big bucks allowed a disruptive life with no solid social foundation and regular sleep patterns. Not any more. The big bucks have disappeared and the shackles have become tighter. To predict the future is always difficult, but it doesn't look too rosy for the vast majority of wannabes. Good luck to them, and save up for the alimony instead of the pension.

Yep, my son likes aircraft and loved his flying lesson, but knows full well not to even consider this as a career! It does make me smile reading some of the issues on the legacy airline threads, but it's all relative. I suspect there are plenty of folk in Asian or even in EU regional companies that would gladly take my Ts and Cs as a big step up from what they contend with. That doesn't make it right - it just means the whole industry is eating itself from the inside.

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it looks like Ryanair is starting to take control themselves regarding the recruiting as Mcginley/Brookfield are no longer mentioned but solely Ryanair LTD.
Could it be that the 300 pilots that left are on the low side of the estimates and immidiate action is required as the contracters are not doing a good enough job to recruit ?


Or is this to offer a Ryanair contract with better T and C"s(tax and social sec payed) as a new strategy to attract new pilots.


just my humble opinion for what it's worth

I'm always baffled by Ryanair pilots agreeing to work days off 'because they need the money', when most of them are maxed out on hours anyway. Or maybe doing unpaid standbys is more fun than days off, I'm not sure.

The reason that Ryanair are recruiting directly is simply that the current use of McGinley and Brookfield is unsustainable it is the exploitation of a loophole that goes against the requirements of the law in most countries, those countries are now wise to the ryanair games.

Secondly they realize that they need Pilots to stay and that working for McGinley is not in anybody's mind a long term career.

I don't think they have seen anything yet, the exodus will be in the coming 2 years. Simply because of a recruitment surge in China and the m.e.

I think we can close this thread now, as the answer is clearly YES!

According to the recruitment banners at the top of this webpage.

It's is both ironic and indeed very sad, that the few (but important) things that made Pilots (including me) move on, were completely within Ryanair managements' ability (?) to fix, at little or no cost. Unfortunately, their unbelievably stupid, arrogant and dictatorial way of running things, has led to this current situation, which sees them now losing money by cancelling flights and wet leasing crews to fly their summer routes, as well as being forced to recruit DEC/DEFO (positive for some) instead of making money from taking more Cadets.

I truly hope that lessons are learnt, and there is some positive outcome for Ryanair Pilots and the industry T&C's as a whole. I wouldn't hold my breath though! :ugh:

All in my own very humble opinion of course. :ok:

Think about it, Jellyfish - an employed captain will get a day off payment of £250net plus the flight pay. They'll do the same hours over the month, and thus the final flight pay will be the same, but they get the day off payments too. For contractors, that doesn't apply, and so the captains tend to refuse. Contract FOs historically would accept because if they didn't come in, they'd lose out on pay and they were only flying c600 hours a year and needed to generate as much extra as possible. That's very different at the moment.

There's also the possibility of successfully bargain days off when you need them, by working one day off when they need You. That can only be a good sign for pilots. I personally don't do off days, not only am I always busy but I try to see it as an act for a greater good. But despite best effort a big part of the workforce act in their own self interest only, and in many cases I cannot really blame them.

This sounds like an employment discussion for a whorehouse, not an airline . . . . . . . in my humble opinion of course.

Exactly...in asia there are more job, more remunerated, qol better, girls (hotter), etc...you go there a while, save money, and you're king of petrol.
who, would like to stay in a cold european country, low pay job ?

I wouldn't agree that the conditions are any better in Asia or the ME, the Ryanair virus has spread throughout the world! There are rumours floating around that some ex Ryanair pilots are leaving EK to go back to Ryanair - that goes to show!

I'm afraid so! I agree! I heard the same actually...
But in some airlines, depiste the conditions, you can multiply your income though...sure you fly a lot, but the objectives to aim are: work a lot, save money (you can save more in asia) and stop working and retire sooner.

EK is not the Eldorado, I'm sure, but you can make much money. And in some asian countries you do not spend as much as in europe.
Let's face it, it is not a dream job at all...I even opened a business, to get out of aviation.
But, now, what do we have as motivation ? only one : money.
The rest : good roster, good terms and conds, good management, lot of days off etc, it becomes rare.
Oh, and we got a nice view...but after a while... Personnally I run after money because it is the only motivation i can find now. It is sad I agree, but it is a motivation like any others.

good luck to all :)

I just want to make a statement, here seems as good a place as any to make it:

There is currently no Pilot shortage, at any one time I seem to be trying to help around 10 European Pilots get into my company, some employed and some unemployed, all experienced Captains.

kingpost, it is not a rumour.