Self sponsored type
 

Hy guys

Somebody knows if now easy made a self sponsorship type rating on A320 and the price for it( rumors talk about £20K :( ) ,or just a bond for 3 or 5 years?
Thank you !

Its 20k for the type rating and you are required to pay up front

My understanding is also that it will never be paid back to you when employed by Easy.

That´s what i understood as well....:)

No its 20k including taxes.

Wow 20K :ooh:

Kinda feel better about not getting invited for selection as I wouldn't pay that :=

Joe what you are saying doesn't make any sense. This is a one off cost and is therefore totally unrelated to salary.

Is the non rated sim assessment on the 737-300 sim at ctc Southampton?

Should be a Ng

****. About 6 yrs since I had a go on a jet sim. Any suggestions? Suppose I should worry about the assessment centre first. Anyone offering some intel, there's a beer in it. Alas, doubt I can afford the 20k for the TR.. but sure we'll see what happens.

Got the sim invite before the interview. Sim oK. Job offer followed.

As of now in limbo. Rejected inital offer. Awaiting a new one. £20k up front. No promises. No Chance.

Hi sk8erboi - what do you mean by £20k upfront & no promises? I know about the £20k part but whats on offer from an employment perspective? I'm guessing your civ non type rated?

May I ask what the initial offer was?

It's not only £20k. £3,600 on top for JOC for pilots with no jet experience.

Piloto - how do you know that? You can do a JOC course in the UK for under £700

A reliable source. I'm sure other people can and will second this.

The offer was £20k for type rating, with a years contract. The lady didn't mention pay on the phone, it will be in the letter which I haven't got yet.

It is a dilemma, but I can't even consider paying £20k up front for a years contract. It's bad enough having to pay for a TR, but unless it's a permanent deal it's a no from me.
I did say this on the call and she stated she would get back to me.

Does anyone know what the rating costs? I hear numbers around the 12k figure.

Sadly though CTC seem to have their filthy hands all over it.

Having read the recent posts, I must admit that I am almost glad to not have been able to book an assessment!

Thanks sk8erboi. Sorry to keep asking but I've heard that different contracts are available depending on the base. Is this correct or as far as you are aware all contracts are based on one year? Did you specify a base?

Great job BALPA :D

You can get an A320 rating for around £12.5k in the UK

I'm told the £20k for easyJet doesn't include any other expenses during the 8 week type rating (accomodation, travel & food) which you're expected to pay yourself.

Not sure when you start on a salary (type rating course or end of line training?) but nothing would surprise me in this industry.

The contract offered depends on performance during the two stages of the assessment and what is available in the bases you put down as your preference.

Three contract types on offer. Two are permanent easyJet contracts, either 75% or 100% on a variable roster and entry as either an SO or FO depending on factored easyJet hours. After two years in the company and 2000 factored hours, then you become an SFO with a fixed roster of 5-4-5-3.

The third contract type is a 12 month flexicrew contract with CTC. At the end of the 12 months, you have to have another interview and subject to satisfactory performance through the year and at the interview you may be offered a permanent contract with easyJet.

All offers require £20k paid to CTC prior to the commencement of type rating. All expenses during the type rating are the responsibility of the pilot, no matter which contract. As others have said, possibly more £££ required depending on previous experience and the need for a JOC/Advanced Handling Course.

There was no talk of different contracts for bases on the telephone. I did request the UK though, though I won't state where on here.

At the interview they showed different deals and payscales in the presentation. Including SFO, with the implication that it was possible to join as such. It seems not to be the case though by what has been said here. Maybe just trying to make it look better.

As it stands it's a very very poor show. I forgot about the expenses, factor in 8 weeks of hotels and living and it looks even worse.

Were the course being charged at cost I wouldn't be in a dilemma. But any company which is going to make £500m profit this year but still cheaply and cynically tries to squeeze a few grand profit out of it's new employees, to then not pay them very well anyway, isn't really morally correct in my book.

Lets cut to the chase....this was only ever an 'opportunity'

sk8erboi, hi, do you mind to confirm where and in which type did you do the sim?

Thanks

New entrant contracts are being discussed in all countries, so I wouldn't hold my breath for a better contract on the continent.

Boeing77W - do you mean senior first office or first officer?

What base preference would one suggest for a 100% contract and for most take home pay ?

My friend has an interesting take on this. He says;

CTC have apparently been struggling with uptake recently. What a great way to fill their sims with people paying for their own type ratings! They could fill their sims for the next 2 years!

I wonder whether easy will take the extra money over the normal £12.5k for an A320 type rating or CTC will keep it or maybe they'll just share it?

What an immoral way to make a living. Employ pilots based not on their ability/ experience/ qualities etc but on their willingness to spend/ borrow £20k for a type rating that you could get elsewhere for £12.5k. Of course easy will tell you how much they value all of their employees and that safety is their no 1 priority. They'll tell you that just before they ask for the cheque for £20k - the major qualification you need to get a job with them.

Of course like any jobs, during the first year you have no real rights. I wonder how many will get chopped at their first OPC enabling enough space for the next batch?

If I was you mate, I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.


Thoughts anyone?

Would anyone who's been through the selection process care to give an account of what to expect? A heads up would be much appreciated.

20k is a lot of money for a TR. However, unlike the cheaper TR available elsewhere this has a job attached with real prospects. It is no good bemoaning the fact that airlines should be paying for this training and then bonding pilots. Those days have long gone. If you want to have a job at easyJet play by their rules if not then too bad. The T&Cs will be worse in 3 years time that is the only guarantee. Until there is a chronic shortage of pilots of any experience nothing will change. Either climb aboard now or watch the train leave from the platform. Jumping and cursing will make no difference.

Captthunder

You will enter the company as a Second Officer (SO), which means lower salary and no flight pay, or First Officer depending on factored easyJet hours.

Just remember paying 20k does not mean you will be flying the line. You still have to get to the standard and get through line training. I know guys have been chopped during line training.

Don't think it's guaranteed because you've paid a large sum of cash as its not.

Be careful.

Tremendous perception.

It is quite simple.

All it takes is that each and every successful candidate (all of whom must read this thread?) who goes through this present Easyjet recruitment drive, declines the contract on offer.

Overnight, it will be improved.

Similar things are already happening at one or two airlines near you, albeit not ones that fly the electric death jet.

This is a Company forecast to make between £430-480 million profit this financial year.

Au contraire Monarch, despite their financial position, continue to offer ratings.

Easyjet aren't doing it for financial reasons, they're doing it because they can, and because, like the author of the above quote, pilots are content to submit to the propaganda.

:=

SR71. Please accept my :D

Those take it or leave it wankers are just making this job conditions worse and worse ! And still they don't get it.

Crikey, there will be a lot of 'Ruperts' with rather sore arses after this little money spinner.

Praise be for never managing to book an appointment. I would have missed a couple of days of paid work only to find this little beauty out.

Bullet dodged.

Best of luck all with more money than sense...:ok:

Fishing expedition
 

Hi all,

from what I've been reading on this thread it would seem Easy is on a fishing expedition as it's been quite a few years since they've hired other than cadets. Sk8terboi's offer would indicate that they're looking to see what they can get away with. If (for once) people collectively would stick together and say no, chances are the offer would be (need to be) improved as they need fresh blood.

p.s. not trying to teach people here to suck eggs...:=

77W

You speak of salaries, and that SO is less than FO. But the FO is pretty poor from memory. I don't remember exactly, but I remember at the time thinking that anything less than SFO salary is very poor.
ECAM from looking on here and speaking to Ezy guys at my base I think a lot would disagree that they are treated well.

Thomcat I suspect you're correct. I don't think of myself as vastly experienced, though by no means a novice. But the initial offer is in no way designed to attract anyone currently in the left seat of a turboprop or regional jet, unless they are early 20's with zero overheads.

All food for thought.

Sk8erboi

The SO salary was in the mid 30's and no flight pay available. The FO salary was around £40-£45k (excluding flight pay) depending on a 75% or 100% contract. That's off the top of my head.

Incredible! Have heard of some rejected and some accepted in this crazy scheme!

Does anybody have a suggestion as to how we can stop this?

By "this", of course, I mean:

- The slow decline of a noble, fantastic profession.

(Would Doctors stand for this?)

- The fact that each (shorthaul) flight originating in the UK has a tax burden exceeding the pilot renumeration by 100s of percent.

- easyJet, one of the most profitable UK airlines, wishes to make profit from the essential training of its new employees - paid by the trainees!

Surely, we could capitalise on the RyanAir publicity?

If not now, then when?

I suppose we could always remove all the experienced pilots from aviation to make things easier for the businesses.... An occasional crash is possibly cheaper than decent pilots?

Sad to see, but perhaps unsurprising. And I am no anti-capitalist.

Perhaps it's about unity and publicity?

Safe flying and all suggestions welcome!