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1000ft Cruiser 28th May 2012 16:19

I've heard from a friend there's a few going to EK and BA. He doesn't work for them, so this isn't gospel but it would make some sense.

Craggenmore 28th May 2012 16:31

but if Monarch are not, "joining the race to the bottom", why would they leave......? Maybe personal.......?

fmgc 28th May 2012 16:32

Monarch are not expanding
Where do you get that ill-informed rubbish from?

2012 News - Flights - Monarch Airlines to expand operations across the Midlands

And there is probably more to come.

Recruitment will only be onto the A320/1 fleet.

The 15t limit is not show stopper, worth getting a CV in anyway but the type rated pool will obviously be fished initially.

There are a few FOs leaving but nothing out of the ordinary.

windshear-a-head 28th May 2012 16:35

Was the last batch of recruitment at Monarch 'summer only' or for permanent positions? Just trying to gauge what will happen this year.

5000tt with majority on Airbus. :ok:

Craggenmore 28th May 2012 16:41

Where do you get that ill-informed rubbish from?
How many new a/c are they buying/leasing or are they pulling un-competitive routes from LGW to the Midlands to cover the hole left by BMI-Baby/Flybe/Eastern etc.............

fmgc 28th May 2012 16:42

Enough to require a significant relative increase in pilot numbers.

fmgc 28th May 2012 16:48

permanent positions
Permanent positions.

ATIS 28th May 2012 18:07

Most of those leaving Monarch are close to the bottom of the seniority list. Monarch would be their first airline, and so are jumping to their career airline aka BA, EK and VS.

I'm pretty sure they are not leaving Monarch because they hate it, they just can't see a career at MON. Majority of people from other airlines join and tend to stay as they see an improvement in T&Cs.

However expect to work hard. With an increase in winter flying, seasonal variations of the past are reducing.

Alloy 29th May 2012 10:57

The internal rumours I'm hearing at work are of about 100 recruits and 50 commands over the next year or so. To take into account of the announced expansion and some staff turnover (retirements, BA, sandpit etc.,) these rumoured figures sound not too far off to me. To add to this we appear short of crew at present. For those considering, for what it's worth, I consider the airline not perfect but far better than any other employer I have had. It's good to see we will be taking on some experienced crew.

KONSPIRACY 29th May 2012 17:35

This application, to be printed off and filled in by hand? Stupid question I guess, but it seems unusual these days.

Witty User Name 30th May 2012 10:02

Are Monarch likely to recruit a corporate pilot looking to move to the darkside?

Technically I tick the boxes but I imagine I'd have a hard time convincing them to take me over someone with more relevant experience and time on type.

Obviously I'll apply anyway but I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts.


CookPassBabtridge 30th May 2012 10:43

I'm looking to get in at the Cadet level if there are any openings. Monarch is surely a golden opportunity - no employees airing dissatisfaction on here that I've seen, a quality product with less of the RYR/EZY surcharge BS (I've been pax on many occasions and always look at MON first when heading for the Algarve!), good fleet and a good future.

Let's hope they don't go via. the CTC route for low-timers.

BlackandBrown 30th May 2012 16:01

Let's hope they don't go via. the CTC route for low-timers.
Does someone else want to break the bad news or shall I?

speedrestriction 30th May 2012 18:56

Hi folks. Could someone with firsthand experience give an indication of Y1 FO net monthly salary? Does the take home pay vary much throughout the year? I would love to join Monarch but I don't know if I can afford a pay cut coming from LHS flybe. Thanks.

Sammetje 31st May 2012 06:36

We offer:
  • A starting salary of £47305 pa for experienced pilots
  • Hourly flying allowances (typically amounting to around £4,000 pa)
  • Loss of licence insurance
  • Private medical insurance
  • A defined contribution pension scheme
  • Staff travel benefits
Monarch | Flight Deck | Jobs

CookPassBabtridge 31st May 2012 08:47

Let's hope they don't go via. the CTC route for low-timers.
Does someone else want to break the bad news or shall I?
Is this already the way they do it? :mad:

magicmick 31st May 2012 09:35

CTC were recently seeking applicants for a Monarch MPL cadet course, donít know if theyíve started training yet or will be ready for the next recruitment phase. If they are ready then the cadet requirements will probably be met by them with Wings cadets out of the CTC holding pool making up any shortfall in numbers. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but thatís the way I feel it will go, the low hours cadet places probably wonít be advertised and if youíre not CTC Wings or Monarch MPL then you wonít get a look in.

Mi EASA Su EASA 31st May 2012 09:47

I hear rumours all the time that Monarch are in financial trouble. I'm currently with easyJet on a rubbish Flexi contract and can see that Monarch are bucking the trend of poor conditions for F/Os, so I am quite tempted to apply to improve my Ts+Cs, but I'm worried about job security there, any ideas of the companies financial health?

tchaikovsky 31st May 2012 10:04

Couple of things:

Sammetje. You need to get your facts right before you post here. The starting salary is in fact £48,488. You will be more productive in Summer and can expect higher duty pay in the months May-Oct. However with the expansion plans expect to be busier this winter than in the past. Bear in mind the guys that joined us this year have done so on part-time contracts and with that a salary reduction of a certain percentage (of which i am not sure what it is).

Monarch in financial trouble. Monarch is one arm a complex group of entities. Just because the airline makes a loss does not mean that the loss is felt through the entire group, if you know what i mean. Pax numbers are very healthy at the moment, the airline is constantly seizing new opportunities and i'd bet on MON being around for a good few years yet.

bucket_and_spade 31st May 2012 10:27


It's already been mentioned that the new recruitment drive will be a seperate advert/application to that on the Monarch website - that page with the forms and benefits hasn't been updated for a long time.

A previous poster, who looks to be on the inside, has already said to expect an ad in FI soon so there's no need to fill in those forms or make decisions based on those benefits.


Where EZY and RYN lead, MON/TCX (BA?) follow - to compete. Accepting rubbish Ts and Cs at EZY (your claim, not mine) will have (and already has) affected (downwards) any packages you'll get in the future, at MON or elsewhere. Mine too. We need to think a bit more longterm! That said, everyone's circumstances are different and I don't know you or yours but if we all want a decent career out of flying we all need to bear this in mind! Sorry, back on topic, soap box binned :bored:

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