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david.craig 8th Mar 2009 00:29

With experience, is Ryanair really that bad?
 
I've read with horror the conditions faced by Ryanair new-starts, particularly the pay-less months and refusal to award leave, but most importantly the cost of the initial 6 months.
However, looking at the other end of the spectrum, once command is achieved, and thousands of hours with the company logged, is it really that bad?
Granted its a rough road to that position, but the pay at that level seems very fair and obviously, no overnights. At least compared to short-haul skippers on other lines, does the initial struggle pay off?

rubik101 8th Mar 2009 04:44

the simple answers are; No and Yes!
But with lots of caveats which I am sure you are familiar with if you have read all the Ryanair threads posted here.

hemel 8th Mar 2009 05:57

Is it really that bad? yes it is. The job with RYR for me was most disappointing, and I joined with 7000 hrs and type rated.

The management in Dublin have taken all of the enjoyment out of the job and insist on a set of standard operating procedures that does not let you see the "wood for the trees". The secondary airports they operate into will eventually result in a serious incident/accident.

Flying for me needs to be enjoyable, with Ryanair I do not remember enjoying one single duty. Yes the cash was good but you earn it in this awful airline and having to work for such an arrogant CEO then this "ASDA/ALDI" of airlines was not for me!

Before Ryanair I had a fond romantic view of the Irish (River Dance,Guiness,Dublin) after meeting this bunch my views are much changed!

Do yourself a BIG favour and give this bunch a miss!!
Now I work for a Large Biz jet operator where the flying is challenging and you are both respected and rewarded.

Life is to short to work for the dreadful Ryanair - as simple as that!

HEMEL

captplaystation 8th Mar 2009 09:31

As usual, the truth lies somewhere between these two totally disparate views.
So the answer to your 2 Q is . . . . . . . MAYBE.

In all honesty, it depends a lot on what you were used to, what your expectations are, whether you can be lucky and keep your head below the parapet, and very very importantly where you are based and where that figures in relation to where you want to be based.
If you value being home every night, you are based where you want, you are fairly thick skinned, and you don't upset someone in authority, it is actually OK.
Aircraft are all new (some very) maintenance is good, crew (even if some lack experience) are professional with very good SOP's.
On the other hand there is certainly no feel-good touchy feely stuff, and many people you have to deal with both within the company (and indeed some of our loyal :hmm: customers )are pretty abrasive, but then they are nurtured that way from the moment they walk into the office /airport.
If you don't mind having a spade redefined as an :mad: shovel and you are realistic in what you expect, having done your homework here, you should have no problem with what you find.

seasexsun 8th Mar 2009 11:24


Is it really that bad? yes it is. The job with RYR for me was most disappointing, and I joined with 7000 hrs and type rated.
that is why ryanair now only hire cadets because since they know nothing else, they think it is very good...and also because they accept every kind of ****, which is not the case of people experienced like you.


you are based where you want,
not exactly... you are based where THEY want, if it is the same wish, then fine, otherwise, be prepare to live north of europe when you want to live south...

the grim repa 8th Mar 2009 11:56

One would want to be absolutely insane even applying to this company that charges you £50 to apply and then proceed to rob you blind once an employee.Do yourself a favour,in the words of craig david "I'm walking away"...

strawberriesfield 8th Mar 2009 13:17

david craig / craig david . . . grim, you are wasted in this profession. :D

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 13:32


david craig / craig david . . . grim, you are wasted in this profession.
Hmm, wouldn't give the guy too much credit - professionals leave their minds open to all channels, and I think most people could categorically agree that he does not!

Anyway, real reason I posted - thank you so much for choosing the username 'strawberriesfield'. Always, without exception, makes me smile, and more often than not laugh as well :ok:

zerotohero 8th Mar 2009 14:51

Still on the RTC so can only give a look at the 24months in period.

Money is good-ish, if I was an 21 year old with zero debts and parents had paid my way through all my training I would be thinking this is awesome, work maybe 10days a month max, pay my £500 a month type rating loan and take home £2500ish after tax to blow on the 18-22year old trolly dollys getting them into bed and buying a new 318i

as early 30's man with house and training debts for next 3years as well as type rating the money left is same as a crap job in a call centre, but lifestlye is miles better as is the job, so I guess thats a plus as prospects after 3years are much much better than dixons call centre!

you are a number and an expendable number, dont do your job right and I dont see a slap on the wrist, I see out the door and no thanks for your hard work and effort.

getting the right base makes life at home nice, get the wrong base and your not really living your life how you want, jumpseating home every week, spending half your time on standby not earning in the place you dont want to be,,, some months are good, only 1 standby in 5 days, some are 3 in 5 days, this time of year seems to be the latter, not sure if thats seasonal or because they continue to bring in new cadets? again I suspect the latter!.

going in the sim on a brookfield means paying for hotels out your own pocket, get stuck down route due tech or duty time or what ever means minimal rest in the nearest or cheapest hotel they can find and if theres no restaurant open,, tough!, get a taxi at your own cost because your now off duty! and its not there responcability, its like been off duty back at base! yea apart from your car is in the carpark and your house/accomidation is already lined up to cater for been there.

aircraft are new and safe, if something goes wrong then the SOP's are very good and follow the numbers should see you back safe on the ground again to tell the tail, not sure you would be paid though as your paid sector block hours and if you come back you did not compleate the sector! lol,, i may be wrong but again I recon not.

Its a very organised company and things do run smooth, rosta is stable 5/4 and pretty much set in stone, shame the 5 on are not 5 on though! but at 85Euros an hour the 45euro line trainer is cheaper than me.

ticket to getting the good money would seem to be make command, then LTC then train on nearly every flight and work the 900hours a year, sit in the right seat after a few hours and your never going to buy that new 911!

its not my first flying job, but its my first in a Jet carrier, and I am mixed about it all, I would probably leave for elsewhere given the choice, but no where is hireing really, those that are have probably 100+ applicants for 1 job, and are they going to still be there in 12months? thankfully I do work outside of Ryanair that earns me good money and losing my flying job would not harm me finantialy, but I do want to continue flying and get a command and dont see it worth rocking the boat in the current climate.

hope that answers a few questions.

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 15:26

Whatever,

I earn enough to pay off my debts, rent an apartment (with a shared jacuzzi which noone else ever uses!), live and do the things I want to on the side.

And I'd rather walk away with half the net profit if it meant driving to the airport at stupid o' clock instead of a mundane call centre at 0800 on a rainy Monday morning...

Just my thoughts,

ta, ad

p.s. good post zerotohero, very well balanced. I'm 20, but unfortunately it's a shade dry of 'awesome' because I DO have stuff to pay off! Still great though. People moan about how it's no fun flying at Ryanair, well come on, take a reality check, you're paid to work, not have fun. And it's not that difficult to combine the two, we do all the time!

south coast 8th Mar 2009 16:48

Of course no one is going to use a 'shared' jacuzzi...no one knows who's 'harry monk' was floating around in it the night before!

Flintstone 8th Mar 2009 17:21

SC

Are you suggesting that Reluctant737 is a self pleasurer?

south coast 8th Mar 2009 17:25

I am not suggesting anything my learned friend, I wanted to make the point that such shannanigans could well go on in a jacuzzi, Champagne, cigar, cowboy hat, young lady....'arry monk!

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 17:36

Neither of yer are far off the mark! :p

Well fortunately my 'neighbours' are the elderly and the shy respectively, but then again, people falling into those catagories can be VERY surprising ;)

The Beer Hunter 8th Mar 2009 17:38

So that's six replies in the negative, one neutral and one yes man.

The 'nays' have it! :}

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 17:45

I wonder if there's some inverse correlation going on here, when compared to age... then again I've flown with Captains thrice my age who come out with some shockers! Come on guys, let's get these discussions going on the flight deck - I can't believe there are so many people relatively unhappy flying for FR, 99% of guys and girls I fly with love the job, albeit far from perfect.

It's all good fun at the end of the day, and you've gotta laugh.

Ha ha

south coast 8th Mar 2009 18:27

What discussions is it you are referring to that you would like to get going on the flight deck? You lost me with your last post?

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 18:51

Hi South Coast,

Well, to me it seems there are a lot of hard feelings towards my airline's practices on this website, including employees of FR whom I probably fly with without realising it. That is a stark contrast to what I hear 'in the office', when the conversation takes on many levels - discussions about EASA, about our invidivual lives, how we got into flying, what mountains are over there are their specific microclimates, old stories of holidays and experiences we had where we're flying, stuff like that. But hardly ever any hard words against the company.

Is it perhaps because up there in the aeroplane on the small stretch across the Bay of Biscay, life is sunny and near perfect? And when we get home, we begin to realise what (or rather who) we're working for and it's not so great after all? Or are we simply scared that somehow, the CVR is being watched and any words 'out of line' will result in... 'action'?

Sometimes I don't understand it. It almost seems that there are two different worlds of pilots; the real pilots, and the PPRuNe pilots.

Thanks

captplaystation 8th Mar 2009 19:03

I know where you are coming from, there are some on here I can scarcely imagine dragging themselves out of bed at 0400 for an early, never mind doing it 5 days in a row for 4 sectors.
At the end of the day our esteemed leader wants to shaft us & pay us less,and this will continue until the collective awareness of the situation finally seeps into the grey matter & provokes a concerted unified response. God knows what it will take for that to happen, paying to go to the bog along with the punters ? (Oh & bring your own bog roll along with your water & sarnies :hmm: ) yep that might do it :D .
Fortunately, from the brakes off to chocks on, most seem to be able to remember why they chose this profession, it is that & that alone , that makes the "daily grind" quite pleasurable in most cases.
(Oh BTW no correlation between "daily grind" & Reluctant's Jacuzzi should be inferred :rolleyes: )

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 19:40

Here's something else I'd like to use to level the playing field somewhat -

The very last job I had prior to starting at Oxford was working in a service station on the M1. It was full time, and after tax I took about £700 a month, at least £300 of which I spent each month on taking my friends and family flying in a 172. It was an expensive aeroplane to hire, but it was worth it - very well maintained and the reassurance of a G1000 and fully instrument equipped 'just in case'. And I'm sure all of us know that 'feeling' when we take close family flying that says 'what if'? Anyway, so I had circa £400 each month, of which I managed to stash away £300 towards living expenses while training. The rest went on fuel for the motor and perhaps a few pub visits. And I paid (a lot) to fly an aeroplane which just about made 120 kts.

Contrast that to now - my net each month averages somewhere around the £3,000 mark (down a bit these days, but never mind that), and that will increase as the years go by. I receive that money in exchange for operating a flying machine capable of 470 kts at 37,000 feet very comfortably. I work in a clean, professional environment with professional (and friendly) people. I have a stable roster, and each month have a set of 'definite' days off. I am comfortable financially, and can easily afford what I owe and have a little hobby paragliding from Dunstable on the side.

Unfortunately I no longer fly light aeroplanes due to hours limitations and the fact that you have to fly reguarly to remain proficient in the eyes of most flying clubs. But I love GA, so no doubt some day I will be able to afford a half share or something in a nice little tourer (perhaps a Mooney?) to buzz about in at the weekends. I would do that for the joy, and the hours needn't be logged if that will break duty time. I am very able to plan my sleep cycles and know when I am safe to fly.

Life is exactly what you make it, and it's all relative. Perhaps if you'd flown for BA for ten years and came over to our little civilisation you might not like it very much, but for someone like myself, this is my first 'career' job, and I may end up staying here, who knows. You can spend all your time moaning about what you don't have, but I rather leave the news people to it and get on with enjoying my life. It's an amazing gift, and fundamentally, flight is a wonderful thing that we are fortunate enough to get paid for harnessing. Comapred to some employers, we may feel like we're on tenderhooks when flying, but so what? I'm all for strict SOPs, it's a serious business this and they help to keep complacency at bay, something I saw in people quite often in GA.

But hey, no two opinions are alike and we all view different things in different ways.

That's just my take on what I do :)

Gnirren 8th Mar 2009 20:07


and that will increase as the years go by
Are you quite certain? ;)

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 20:15

It's more of a hope than a certainty I suppose, given the way things are going (some would say I contributed to).

To be honest, what I want out of flying is a career that lets me remain reasonably stable and to know where I stand. And when the time comes, to allow me to start a family and settle down a bit.

Mind you, going by past experiences I'll be lucky if I have a family aged 50! Can't even hold down a relationship longer than two years, me!

south coast 8th Mar 2009 20:15

Your views definately have the 'ring' of your first 'career' job that you mention and that is normal.

But, at some point you have to stop thinking how lucky you are to be paid to do a job which you consider a hobby and a pleasure, because it is/was that very attitude that has allowed accountants to lower the industry's general T&C's.

They know how much you love your job and therefore they think they can slowly errode away at your benefits/perks/salary to either increase the profit or to reduce costs to perhaps meet targets and secure bonuses.

Either way, you are doing a job for which you should be awarded a salary and an overall package that reflects the level/cost we incur in training and the level of responsibility placed on you while doing your job.

I dont work for FR, but I do think it is a bit cheap not to allow the crew to drink coffee/bottled water/coke for free while on duty, you cant just pop out to the vending machine, and because its your job that puts you in that environment, they should keep you hydrated and comfortable.

So, when companies start making their employees pay for a coke, pay to charge their mobile, pay to use the toilet, you have to question the respect the company is showing towards you.

Do you blindly show respect and loyalty towards someone/thing who doesnt reciprocate those qualities towards you?

I think with age and experience your opinions may well change.

Dont get me wrong, I am not saying we should all constantly moan and be negative, but fair is fair...and if an employer is being fair then there is no reason to complain, but when they are not....then people will complain about the slightest of issues.

AlpineSkier 8th Mar 2009 20:29

Just a question about zerotohero
 
Regrettably off thread here however ..

.. how do airlines react when they see answers (presumably in their many written questionaires) from someone like zth whose literacy is way down the scale ( for an educated professional ) ?

Do they think that because he is 95% literate it's ok because he can probably understand nearly everything that is written ( even if he can't spell it) or accept it because that's as good as it gets these days ?

I pose this qustion as a linguist and with respect to your profession where the necessity of adhering to recognised standards is paramount and ( presumably ) corner -cutting and sloppiness is not permitted.

Regards

AS

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 20:36

South Coast,

I appreciate your comments - indeed, no doubt with time will come change, and I'm sure I'm not the first example of your very eager FO, and I'm sure I shan't be the last. But I do understand this company somewhat, and I think long gone are the days where you 'yes sir' or 'thank you ma'am' everyone you meet in an effort to please. Don't get me wrong, I'll always go out of my way to help my colleagues do their job because they are the people I am working with, so of course I'm going to do my best for them. But I realise what our company cotton on to, and I realise the part I played in the eroding of our working lives by paying for my type rating and almost feel obliged to do nothing more to satisfy it. Unfortunately I find there is a very fine line to cut when crewing ask you to work a day off (it's been happening more recently for some reason), sometimes I say yes if I genuinely feel up for it, but if I can't do it then I can't do it, and I make that clear. I see some people in my position literally bending over backwards and sometimes I feel like giving then a slap!
I'm all for a unity between pilots/cabin crew, but it is difficult within FR due to the vastness of the airline in terms of bases and the sheer volume of staff distributed around them.
I can't imagine anybody not wanting things to improve, but of course you can think of it like a thunderstorm - it requires a 'trigger'. I personally believe that it is in human nature (as persons and as people) to allow oneself to be pushed around to a point, but when considering people as thousands of persons, there comes that point when there is a silent agreement between all that something needs to be done.
In a way, this has led to a complacency on my part that, ok, things are certainly not improving, but surely there will come a point when we'll all say at once,

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I'm not a businessman, I understand the fundamentals, but how would one go about such a transformation?

I'm sure Flintstone will jump in and tell everyone not to buy type ratings, and of course he is right. If nobody bought their own ratings, as supply began diminishing the airline would be forced to explore alternatives. But my qualm with this, is I don't believe it's practical to organise thousands of people into such a line of action, especially when you couple that to the fact that every one of these thousands has ambitions higher than Mt Everest!

I guess the real question is, what can we do from the inside in a company that doesn't recognise trade unions?

Thanks

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 20:46


I've never worked in a service station on the M1.....
I wouldn't reccommend it, although I hear the establishments on the M6 are better!

And I agree with what you're saying, like I said that is purely my story based on my (limited) experience thus far :ok:

Reluctant737 8th Mar 2009 21:03

13thstage,

To tell the truth, I'd rather kill two birds with one stone and have both (I imagine anyone would). I think somebody with experience in this profession, a veteran as you accurately put it, deserves that. Some of the people I fly with certainly do and are undervalued without a doubt.

Thanks

zerotohero 8th Mar 2009 21:18

AlpineSkier

Yes I cant spell for sh*t and I know this only too well, it however has not held me back in my life unless I choose to be an english teacher! I have always exceded at everything I do because I am willing to work hard, spelling however my brain just cant grasp for some reason, belive me I have tried.

thankfully in this proffesion when the wings are on fire and your decending at 8000fpm udside down ATC dont expect you to spell MAY DAY! to them! they pretty much have an idea whats going on.

thanks for the put down though, always makes me feel all warm inside.

Stan Woolley 8th Mar 2009 21:24

I have significant experience as a pilot with other airlines.

They are basically all the same.

I prefer Ryanair to nearly all of them because ......

a)They don't pretend to be anything they are not.

b)For me they tick the important boxes which is why most people stay with them............ROSTERS and Money.

c)The aeroplanes are very well maintained and generally new.

d)The training is taken seriously and lots of effort goes into it.

e)Tell me what's better and at least as secure?

f)I'm a glutton for punishment. :8 :E

AlpineSkier 8th Mar 2009 21:47

@ zth

Thanks for the quick reply, however I really would be interested to know if you have have ever had any feedback from your employer about poor literacy.

In a profession like yours where everything is so regulated and there are mandatory checklists etc and very swift comprehension is everything, I would be puzzled if there is no reaction.

As far as thanking me for the put-down, no problem . Annual subscriptions available at very reasonable rates :)

g1344304 8th Mar 2009 21:54

are you for real alpine skier? This is an internet forum, not a thesis

eagerbeaver1 8th Mar 2009 22:30

Reluctant737 - Your enthusiasm is nice - but Ryanair is a tough place to work. Forget the "machine capable of stuff..." and think very hard about what your job entails.

You do have the words of a newbie (I am not trying to discredit you) and I think you offer a view which is biased.

TheGlide 8th Mar 2009 22:34

Lads Im working as an Instructor at the moment barely surviving on about 600e a month working 7days a week mostly twelve hours a day ...

Luckily enough i have a job coming up with Ryanair and hopefully il eventually get a day off and more than a 1000euro a month ...

Some people dont realise how lucky they are .If you dont like it you know what to do .

Busbar 8th Mar 2009 22:41

Alpine Skier,

You made your point but you are a distraction to the thread. Kindly post elsewhere, this is a thread about working for Ryanair, not about Spelling & Grammar. :ugh:

I am an ex Ryanair man myself. I enjoyed my time working there. Why? Because it was my first job, I was young, I enjoyed working with some great people, the roster was good, the money was good and I had a good base.

Why did I leave? Because I realised that I wanted to do different things in my career. I still have 38 years left of flying! I guess I was curious to see what other operators and aircraft were like. I joined a UK airline on the Airbus and really enjoy it. Do I miss leaving Ryanair? No, but I do think their rostering system is one of the best (if your not on a floating base contract). Your home every night and I was based where I wanted to be so I was happy. There will always be pros and cons everywhere you go to. I do not agree with some of Ryanair's practices, but their SOP's and Training is some of the best I have seen.

There is a lot of information on this website about them, I think you have enough here to make your own mind up. I also think Reluctant737's posts are very balanced and very true.

Good Luck :ok:

eagerbeaver1 8th Mar 2009 22:46

TheGlide - You are welcome to my job, 2500 pounds a month is all I will charge.

You think we have not all been where you are?

Norman Stanley Fletcher 9th Mar 2009 02:17

Very interesting stuff. I am an easyJet pilot, but follow Ryanair closely. I think there are some very honest posts here. Reluctant737 is probably who Ryanair was built for - young, keen, capable, hard-working and never worked for another airline. TheGlide reminds me so much of my own view at his stage of my flying career - incredulous someone was about to pay me anything at all for flying a fancy new jet and just desperate to do the job. I too would gladly have told all whiners to shove off - it is only as the years progressed that I became more discerning. Sadly, my lack of airline experience tainted my views, and in retrospect I was completely wrong. I spent many years in the RAF and easyJet is now the 5th airline I have worked for - my perspective is now very different. I probably most identify with eagerbeaver1 - I wistfully reflect on my own naivety when I started out.

My genuine hope for Ryanair is that enough people wake up to the harsh reality of what they are dealing with and seek union representation to change the face of their potentially excellent company. Best of luck.

davidathomas42 9th Mar 2009 06:33

I enjoy working for FR, beats digging holes by the side of the road, not that there is anything wrong with that mind you

adwjenk 9th Mar 2009 13:32

Hi,

Ryanair is as you take it, I personally love it but it is my first airline job so I still am wearing the rose colored glasses.
The a/c are very well maintained and lovely to fly, I fly with great people only come across the odd funny one but every airline/base has them. I have been given the base I wanted, I was one of the lucky ones on that account though! The base I fly from is very sociable and everyone is highly professional.
All in all for a first job its great especially being on the younger side of life so I am lucky just have my training loans to pay off, which is possible with the Brookfield salary. The rest is for me to use to enjoy life and save and live.

I am Brookfield so I have no idea what T&C's are, I fly and get paid, if I go tech down route I get no pay for the split duty time where I sit in a hotel, but on the plus side I have been lucky when this happened Ryanair did fax a credit card through and it all went on that, the hotel and food so they do look after you if you get stuck some where (from my experience this is, I have heard of Captains who paid it all and it took them over 6 months to get the money back).
The money is good but I would be happier earning less and having allowances, basic pay and paid leave. I hate sitting working out my hours to see if I can live over this month.

My colleges on Ryanair contracts have slowly over the years seen the pay decrease and the terms and conditions slowly disappear, so from there view things have been gradually going down hill.

If you want good money, home every night and a very stable roster (you can go through your diary counting 5/4 for the entire year and that's what you can expect) then Ryanair is for you, as long as you do not mind bringing your own food or drink. Personally I like it keeps the waist line under control. Its more of a family man lifestyle.

My only concerns at the moment are the 300 cadets and 100 planes we are getting, I say this because I have no idea where they will go, especially when we are cutting back at certain bases and moving crews and planes else where due to the economic situation. This winter for line F/O will be VERY VERY slow since all the cadets who are on the cheaper rates will be flying just hope summer is good so I can save and batten down the hatches. These new cadets are all still waiting for there new contracts as they are being 'edited' as one cadet has been told, it will be very interesting to see what they are offered.
I have a feeling Ryanair will just get to big for itself, like a star and when a star gets to big it implodes!
MOL has been a clever guy but I think his greed how now turned on him, with new planes arriving and no where for them to go.

But on the whole if things were really this bad would all the current and experienced Captains and F/O's still be here.

All the best

ADWJENK

BelArgUSA 9th Mar 2009 14:18

My opinion...
 
Sadly, RyanAir might be the dream to get a "jet pilot job" to many pilots who did not qualify to be hired by a reputable "legacy" air carrier, but unfortunately, the dream quickly becomes a nightmare to many.
xxx
Obviously, you want to be a pilot, and prefer to be with RyanAir, than doing house plumbing repairs, or unloading a van of food and groceries at your nearest supermarket. As far as I am concerned, go ahead, and fly for your buddy O'Leary, and keep on sending your C.V. for a decent position anywhere else, with the flight experience you acquire.
xxx
The model for O'Leary's operation was Southwest Airlines, in the USA, which quickly acquired a good reputation with the travel public, and the flight crews of Southwest are rather well paid pilots, with decent work conditions with a dynamic airline. They do not take theirselves too seriously, laugh at their own "peanuts and coke" catering, and their staff have smiles at airports and during flight. And, despite the economic conditions, they make money, despite their low fares. Nothing at RyanAir resembles Southwest. Just the original idea...
xxx
So, enjoy building time with RyanAir, and bail-out ASAP for a better job when offered one. That is all you need from O'Leary, "flight time and experience". And one day, you will say "yeah, I was a RyanAir boy, ha ha ha"...! Consider O'Leary's operation your purgatory, before the paradise... As a retired pilot, many people ask me "which airline" in Europe, I recommend "any airline" but RyanAir... even railroads are better.
xxx
:*
Happy contrails

aerobat 9th Mar 2009 14:53

I would not want to be a First Officer at Ryanair but as a Stansted based Captain the job takes a lot of beating.
We get well paid, a fixed five on four off roster and home every night.
The cadets coming through are very well trained and a pleasure to fly with.
Obviously the job is not so good if you are not based at home and have to commute but with our expansion everybody gets their base of choice eventually.
Even commuting is easy because we can just jumpseat without a ticket providing we are in uniform.
Downside is trying to get leave when you want it but the day to day job is good.
Most of the negative replies on here are by people that don't work for Ryanair and probably failed the selection because we do have many applications for every job with consequential high failure rate.


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