BA Average First year F/o Pay
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BA Average First year F/o Pay
A question for any current BA pilots rated on typically aircraft like 320/737 if you don't mind me asking what is your average pay in the first year with BA as a F/O i'm interested in how nice they are to their pilots. 
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Hi,
basic pay is £40,500 rising approx £1500 per year (shorthaul) plus annual pay rise. On top of that add approx £10-14 k in variable pay per annum and you will be in the right ballpark. Expect to fly 750 ish hours per year. You will be well treated, have no roster disruption, lots of leave but expect 12 - 15 years to any command now. Initially there is a five year type freeze and then a four year freeze every time you change after that. Compared to other airlines I've worked for most people happy with their lot and minimal whinging. Hope that helps.
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basic pay is £40,500 rising approx £1500 per year (shorthaul) plus annual pay rise. On top of that add approx £10-14 k in variable pay per annum and you will be in the right ballpark. Expect to fly 750 ish hours per year. You will be well treated, have no roster disruption, lots of leave but expect 12 - 15 years to any command now. Initially there is a five year type freeze and then a four year freeze every time you change after that. Compared to other airlines I've worked for most people happy with their lot and minimal whinging. Hope that helps.
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SH rosters vary widely depending on the type of trips you like. At the moment there is everything from day trips to 5-day trips. On the multi-day trips I have seen everything from one deadheading sector to 5 sectors. There is the potential for flying only to UK airports if you like British telly on your nightstop, or the whole of the rest of Europe if you like to practice your foreign language skills. At LHR we use 'Bidline' to bid for work and combined with a good bid program even very junior people can usually get the days off and the sort of trip that they want.
The starting salary zzz quoted is the starting salary for Direct Entry Pilots. If you join as a TEP the salary is £25920 in the first year, and on top of that you have to pay back £250 per month training fees. It is only in year 5 that you begin to be paid the same amount as a DEP. Under the terms of the new pay deal all destinations attract the same hourly allowance rate so there is no longer the split between senior destinations and the ones that pay a pittance, although I am sure that the senior guys will soon find a way to make sure they get a better deal than the more junior ones.
As to how they treat the pilots, on the whole we have good roster stability, but are constantly trying to get our management team to stand up for us. It currently seems in BA that CSDs command far more respect than FOs, and many cabin crew actually believe that CSDs are second in command of the aircraft.
The starting salary zzz quoted is the starting salary for Direct Entry Pilots. If you join as a TEP the salary is £25920 in the first year, and on top of that you have to pay back £250 per month training fees. It is only in year 5 that you begin to be paid the same amount as a DEP. Under the terms of the new pay deal all destinations attract the same hourly allowance rate so there is no longer the split between senior destinations and the ones that pay a pittance, although I am sure that the senior guys will soon find a way to make sure they get a better deal than the more junior ones.
As to how they treat the pilots, on the whole we have good roster stability, but are constantly trying to get our management team to stand up for us. It currently seems in BA that CSDs command far more respect than FOs, and many cabin crew actually believe that CSDs are second in command of the aircraft.
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The LHR airbus fleet is becoming a predominatley 'touring' fleet, expect a mix of night stops to day trips of about 70/30.
Airbus will be the only shorthual BA LHR fleet very shortly, plenty of 5 trips around 'zig zaging' around europe. Tours range from 1 to 5 nights away .... get about 12-14 days off per month.
I am surprised just how hard we work at BA, had an easier time with last airline BUT have 100% roster stability at BA (apart from 3 week reserve periods - do about 1.5 per year of these).
Ops/crewing treat you well, although such stable rosters have very little contact with them .......
LGW commands around 4-5 years, LHR commands around 7-9 years ... Maybe old Brymon and Citiexpress commands at regional bases will become available to mainline pilots if 'Scope' is sorted out in the future ....
Generally pilots are happy and a good positive professional atmosphere, can't go far wrong joining .....
Airbus will be the only shorthual BA LHR fleet very shortly, plenty of 5 trips around 'zig zaging' around europe. Tours range from 1 to 5 nights away .... get about 12-14 days off per month.
I am surprised just how hard we work at BA, had an easier time with last airline BUT have 100% roster stability at BA (apart from 3 week reserve periods - do about 1.5 per year of these).
Ops/crewing treat you well, although such stable rosters have very little contact with them .......
LGW commands around 4-5 years, LHR commands around 7-9 years ... Maybe old Brymon and Citiexpress commands at regional bases will become available to mainline pilots if 'Scope' is sorted out in the future ....
Generally pilots are happy and a good positive professional atmosphere, can't go far wrong joining .....
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You can live anywhere in the world - the only requirement is that you can make it to the car park in 2 hrs or less when on home standby. People have different ways to deal with this. I have just flown with a Yorkshire captain who spends his HSB days in a motorway service station 2 hrs drive from LHR. It shouldn't be too big a problem because you only do reserve one month in every 9-12 months at LHR and for only a few days in the month at LGW.
I have flown with more SH captains who live outside of london than in it, from places such as France, Spain, Ireland, Scotland. Cabin crew and LH pilots live even further afield. There is even one who lives in Sydney.
I have flown with more SH captains who live outside of london than in it, from places such as France, Spain, Ireland, Scotland. Cabin crew and LH pilots live even further afield. There is even one who lives in Sydney.
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Thanks a million for sharing that info Pandora.
Do you or any other BA chaps out there know what the eyesight requirements for a BA Medical are...?
The CAA Class 1 is -5 dioptres however I gather that your airline has a higher standard.
Thanks in advance.
Do you or any other BA chaps out there know what the eyesight requirements for a BA Medical are...?
The CAA Class 1 is -5 dioptres however I gather that your airline has a higher standard.
Thanks in advance.
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Could someone post an idea of roster on LH and SH?
ie. days off, days away, length of trips, standbys, etc.
how much leave per year and are the rules on using it good or bad?
do they offer part-time working/ sabbaticals, etc.?
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ie. days off, days away, length of trips, standbys, etc.
how much leave per year and are the rules on using it good or bad?
do they offer part-time working/ sabbaticals, etc.?
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Hi, Airbus Girl.
I can give you an idea of the SH rostering at LGW; we get a minimum of 11 days off per month, and trips vary from one day to five days in length. There is a preferencing system which allows you to bid for what you want and whilst it's by no means perfect, it is better than nothing! (I bid for 3 to 5 day trips and very rarely do anything else). As far as standby is concerned, I average one reserve block (5 days in length) every other month, where basically you are at crewing's beck and call - they can give you home standby, airport standby or trips.
We get 6 weeks leave pa, operated on a points system; popular weeks (Christmas, school holidays, etc) are low points, so when it comes to the next leave bidding period you have less points and have to go for more unpopular leave weeks. One weeks leave (7 days) has 3 wrap days attached giving you 10 days away from work. Two week leave blocks have 4 wrap days.
There are opportunities for part time working depending on the crewing requirements for your particular fleet. Not sure what the situation is for sabbaticals.
Hope this answers your questions.
BB.
I can give you an idea of the SH rostering at LGW; we get a minimum of 11 days off per month, and trips vary from one day to five days in length. There is a preferencing system which allows you to bid for what you want and whilst it's by no means perfect, it is better than nothing! (I bid for 3 to 5 day trips and very rarely do anything else). As far as standby is concerned, I average one reserve block (5 days in length) every other month, where basically you are at crewing's beck and call - they can give you home standby, airport standby or trips.
We get 6 weeks leave pa, operated on a points system; popular weeks (Christmas, school holidays, etc) are low points, so when it comes to the next leave bidding period you have less points and have to go for more unpopular leave weeks. One weeks leave (7 days) has 3 wrap days attached giving you 10 days away from work. Two week leave blocks have 4 wrap days.
There are opportunities for part time working depending on the crewing requirements for your particular fleet. Not sure what the situation is for sabbaticals.
Hope this answers your questions.
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For the cadet scheme I think that the limit was -1.75. For DEPs I haven't heard of any limits as ling as you have a class 1. Best contact recruitment and/or BA health services that do a lot of the medicals.
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For the cadet scheme I think that the limit was -1.75. For DEPs I haven't heard of any limits as ling as you have a class 1. Best contact recruitment and/or BA health services that do a lot of the medicals.
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Springbok, I think you are either fibbing or drunk!
Please tell me truthfully that you only do 500 hours per year.
And a new direct entry FO gets £3000 per month to take home.
If so, how is the airline making money, when the other charter airlines pilots are doing 800+ hours per year and a new FO would take home around £2000.
Please tell me truthfully that you only do 500 hours per year.
And a new direct entry FO gets £3000 per month to take home.
If so, how is the airline making money, when the other charter airlines pilots are doing 800+ hours per year and a new FO would take home around £2000.
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Wow! OK, I see now why (at least) one of my colleagues at Air 2000 left to go to you guys.
We are obviously being totally screwed by our management right now.
We are working like dogs, undercrewed and take home less money than you guys.
Thanks for the info, time to brush up the CV!!!
We are obviously being totally screwed by our management right now.
We are working like dogs, undercrewed and take home less money than you guys.
Thanks for the info, time to brush up the CV!!!
