Emirates Advice to Stay Or Go!!
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Well many thanks to you all for the postings.
I did turn the job down and whilst we all have our own reasoning mine is this.
I want to live in a house of my choosing. Where I want to live with the number of bedrooms that I want. That may sound pompous to some however we are not talking a few months here we are talking several years.
A friend employed by Emirates told me that the rosters were very good and balanced and that he was only away for approximately 15 days per month. That to me equates to half the month which is also half the year. Yes it is spread out but with two young children 6 months away a year is a long time.
Salaries have not increased in several years. Why?
School fees have increased at some schools dramatically if you can get in at all!!
Life is not about money. If you are happy where you are and your company is financially fit Stay Put.
Thanks again for the comments.
I did turn the job down and whilst we all have our own reasoning mine is this.
I want to live in a house of my choosing. Where I want to live with the number of bedrooms that I want. That may sound pompous to some however we are not talking a few months here we are talking several years.
A friend employed by Emirates told me that the rosters were very good and balanced and that he was only away for approximately 15 days per month. That to me equates to half the month which is also half the year. Yes it is spread out but with two young children 6 months away a year is a long time.
Salaries have not increased in several years. Why?
School fees have increased at some schools dramatically if you can get in at all!!
Life is not about money. If you are happy where you are and your company is financially fit Stay Put.
Thanks again for the comments.
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Hey Ott,
If you find a 9-5 job for me sharpening pencils and spending everyday with my family (plus getting the same salary as I am now...with a pilot's licence...let me know!
EK is not all that bad as the 15 days is not always full days away...could be if you are on the 777 fleet. The busdrivers usually spend more than that at home in DXB as there are a lot of available and rest days prior to and after flights. With only around 3-4 layovers per month that usually equates to around 8 to 12 days actually away from DXB.
As for me, I am happy here for now but it's only for a few more years then its back to the real world (home). You are right as money is not everything but it helps.
Look around the aviation environment at present and there cannot be more than a handful of airlines offering bonuses this year.
If you find a 9-5 job for me sharpening pencils and spending everyday with my family (plus getting the same salary as I am now...with a pilot's licence...let me know!
EK is not all that bad as the 15 days is not always full days away...could be if you are on the 777 fleet. The busdrivers usually spend more than that at home in DXB as there are a lot of available and rest days prior to and after flights. With only around 3-4 layovers per month that usually equates to around 8 to 12 days actually away from DXB.
As for me, I am happy here for now but it's only for a few more years then its back to the real world (home). You are right as money is not everything but it helps.
Look around the aviation environment at present and there cannot be more than a handful of airlines offering bonuses this year.
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ott
I reckon you made the right choice! The money ain't what it used to be, and there's a big down side to working in the 'pit anyway.
Only my opinion of course. But we're all entitled to that!
I reckon you made the right choice! The money ain't what it used to be, and there's a big down side to working in the 'pit anyway.
Only my opinion of course. But we're all entitled to that!
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Ott,
Tough decision,one not made lightly,and it will be the right one for you,youve given it plenty of thought,and consideration.
Chances are you could possibly have a "acclerated command" with your P1 time,but thats very variable on which fleet you end up on,as the bulk of the upgrades on the Bus this year(88 plus)
The other side is with almost 1000 pilots by year end,you could well be sitting RHS for a while,on FO pay,and wondering why you left Blighty.
Good luck,
Rommel
Tough decision,one not made lightly,and it will be the right one for you,youve given it plenty of thought,and consideration.
Chances are you could possibly have a "acclerated command" with your P1 time,but thats very variable on which fleet you end up on,as the bulk of the upgrades on the Bus this year(88 plus)
The other side is with almost 1000 pilots by year end,you could well be sitting RHS for a while,on FO pay,and wondering why you left Blighty.
Good luck,
Rommel
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Quickturnaround.... To my knowledge noone is leaving EK these days....many are joining...
To chose not to join EK after the interview, on grounds of not being able to chose where to live in misinformed. Anyone can take the liveout allowance and chose a house of ones (wife) likeing.
There has been pay increase recently...
All in all a nice place to live. Maybe one day the heat will fry my brain and I will want to go home...but I am not well done yet!
To chose not to join EK after the interview, on grounds of not being able to chose where to live in misinformed. Anyone can take the liveout allowance and chose a house of ones (wife) likeing.
There has been pay increase recently...
All in all a nice place to live. Maybe one day the heat will fry my brain and I will want to go home...but I am not well done yet!
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Payscale,
As is my want, I would like to add balance to your statement.
Yes you can elect to take the company allowance and live wherever you want, the problem is that the company allowance doesn't go anywhere close to covering your expenses (assuming that you choose to live in a villa of similar standard to the one Emirates allocates, but in a more suitable position).
The simple facts are that the allowance is 95,000dhs and if you try to find a new 4 bed apartment in the Jumeirah/Umm Suqeim area you will be looking at 120k min plus utilities (approx 1500dhs/mth avge).
So sure, if you are willing to kick in another 50,000dhs you can live wherever you like.
On the other hand if you are happy with an older villa or a lesser location, and don't mind having no garden so you can save on water, then yes, you may get something that comes in around the allowance. If you are happy to live in Sharjah, as one guy does, then you will probably profit significantly from the allowance.
There are strong rumors suggesting the allowance may go up to 120k. This won't help a great deal with rental accom, but will go a long way toward mortgages for those that have bought, or would like to.
The last pay increase was last May (2002) and it was 2%. The previous was May 2001 and it was also 2%. An F/O who arrived here in the early 90's was being paid around 16000dhs. An F/O who arrives today is getting paid more than 16000, but less than 17000 (I'm not sure of the exact numbers). So that gives some perspective to the 4% we've received over the last 2 years.
Note from the trenches:
1. I know a lot of the sunshine and roses brigade are going to accuse me of whining again. They are wrong. I am just stating simple facts that add balance to unsupported statements made previously.
2. I am quite happy here and would recommend it to anyone who has taken it apon himself to become aware of all the downsides before bringing their toys to the Sandpit.
3. There is nothing worse than having your wife throw her toys out of the sandpit, and go home, because she was misled as to what life is really like when you actually live in the sandpit, rather than just coming to play occasionally.
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The Rev
As is my want, I would like to add balance to your statement.
Yes you can elect to take the company allowance and live wherever you want, the problem is that the company allowance doesn't go anywhere close to covering your expenses (assuming that you choose to live in a villa of similar standard to the one Emirates allocates, but in a more suitable position).
The simple facts are that the allowance is 95,000dhs and if you try to find a new 4 bed apartment in the Jumeirah/Umm Suqeim area you will be looking at 120k min plus utilities (approx 1500dhs/mth avge).
So sure, if you are willing to kick in another 50,000dhs you can live wherever you like.
On the other hand if you are happy with an older villa or a lesser location, and don't mind having no garden so you can save on water, then yes, you may get something that comes in around the allowance. If you are happy to live in Sharjah, as one guy does, then you will probably profit significantly from the allowance.
There are strong rumors suggesting the allowance may go up to 120k. This won't help a great deal with rental accom, but will go a long way toward mortgages for those that have bought, or would like to.
The last pay increase was last May (2002) and it was 2%. The previous was May 2001 and it was also 2%. An F/O who arrived here in the early 90's was being paid around 16000dhs. An F/O who arrives today is getting paid more than 16000, but less than 17000 (I'm not sure of the exact numbers). So that gives some perspective to the 4% we've received over the last 2 years.
Note from the trenches:
1. I know a lot of the sunshine and roses brigade are going to accuse me of whining again. They are wrong. I am just stating simple facts that add balance to unsupported statements made previously.
2. I am quite happy here and would recommend it to anyone who has taken it apon himself to become aware of all the downsides before bringing their toys to the Sandpit.
3. There is nothing worse than having your wife throw her toys out of the sandpit, and go home, because she was misled as to what life is really like when you actually live in the sandpit, rather than just coming to play occasionally.
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Rev - I just know you're waiting for a reply from the sunshine and roses brigade as you so beautifully put it, but even I have to admit that you've just laid a very balanced post down here... I really cannot accuse you of "whinging" at all here.
Safe flying.
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One mans (or womans) hell is anothers heaven.... I guess everything here is so different from what one was used to at home. Either you love it or you hate it....
Hope they increase the UA though
Hope they increase the UA though
