Information about Volare Italy
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Information about Volare Italy
Interested in Volare I was calling Varese few days ago.Was told to contact Storm Aviation.As I am NOT Airbus type-rated they said at this time an application would not make any sense because Volare is looking for Airbus rated pilots only (not really a surprise for me!).
Concerning mentioned situation I do have several questions:
What is Storm Aviation all about?
Is there any other way to apply successfully apart from Storm Aviation?
Really no chances without being Airbus type-rated?
Thanx in advance!
Concerning mentioned situation I do have several questions:
What is Storm Aviation all about?
Is there any other way to apply successfully apart from Storm Aviation?
Really no chances without being Airbus type-rated?
Thanx in advance!
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do some searches trough the forums and you will find something. If you want to read their contract (in italian) and those of other italian airlines have a look at:
http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-ti...g/download.htm
sorry can't help with applicatio procedures.
ciao
http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-ti...g/download.htm
sorry can't help with applicatio procedures.
ciao
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SSP,
Volare is run by a few of the worst type of pilots in the Italian aviation industry.
By all means apply. As things change and more jobs become available in Italy those in Volare who can afford to buy their way out of the bond will be leaving in their droves.So their should be vacancies.
Of course, if you are into sado-masochism then maybe Volare is for you!
No really, I may have a large axe to grind here but if you are a normal average run of the mill guy you should steer clear of these people.But, don't just take my word for it, ask the Alitalia,Eurofly,Air Europe Italy pilot workforce for their opinion.You should get a clear response.
Good luck & try to find a happier family to join.
P.S. apology to the GOOD guys in Volare Group of whom there are many.
Volare is run by a few of the worst type of pilots in the Italian aviation industry.
By all means apply. As things change and more jobs become available in Italy those in Volare who can afford to buy their way out of the bond will be leaving in their droves.So their should be vacancies.
Of course, if you are into sado-masochism then maybe Volare is for you!
No really, I may have a large axe to grind here but if you are a normal average run of the mill guy you should steer clear of these people.But, don't just take my word for it, ask the Alitalia,Eurofly,Air Europe Italy pilot workforce for their opinion.You should get a clear response.
Good luck & try to find a happier family to join.
P.S. apology to the GOOD guys in Volare Group of whom there are many.
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We agree with Zingaro:but licking arses of people like Stef*ni can get you far in VLE.Then you can do nice things like pour Skydrol into A330 engines or some other noticable bravura and presto you get promoted.
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Ignition Override You cannot work in EU unless you have the right passport,same as you won't give us a green card.
Volare F/O $3000 per month or so I hear. They are taking full advantage of Pilots wanting to eat{just} If there is ever an upturn in the market then there will be a mass exodus.
Volare F/O $3000 per month or so I hear. They are taking full advantage of Pilots wanting to eat{just} If there is ever an upturn in the market then there will be a mass exodus.
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The above sum would be for two stripe FO.The one stripe FO gets a lot less.The promotion to two stripes is not guaranteed,there is a number of more than two year first stripers,guess what,the promotion is according to the above mentioned principle.The rumour has it that the above non-mentioned person could not pass Foker type rating in Holland and repeated the stunt doing A320 in Amman.Guess what:he is Flight training post holder and also sits on the commission that decides who gets promoted (one to two stripes included).
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Just to add a bit more to the fire:
Gandalf Airlines two Chief Pilots (TP & Jet ) both had NO airline experience when joining and were promeoted to the positions of Chief Pilot after less than 6 months in the company. One had Piaggio 180 experience and the other Beech 400. These guys are instructing and checking in the sim too. What a lot of people can't understand (me included) is why certain very experienced and competent airline pilots weren't offered the Chief pilots jobs...
Gandalf Airlines two Chief Pilots (TP & Jet ) both had NO airline experience when joining and were promeoted to the positions of Chief Pilot after less than 6 months in the company. One had Piaggio 180 experience and the other Beech 400. These guys are instructing and checking in the sim too. What a lot of people can't understand (me included) is why certain very experienced and competent airline pilots weren't offered the Chief pilots jobs...
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Despite the short-comings listed above there are lots of positive aspects about Volare. I am a foreigner ,rather on the extremities of the nerve-centre of the company and understanding only some Italian and speaking almost none. However I do have a considerable experience of other companies either through direct experience or through other association, and can say that Volare compares very favourably. I would prefer more money and less work!, but the captains' package is competetive in the industry.
Dotted around the company are plenty of good personel and the operation is certainly better than that of certain UK - managed companies
I could mention.....but won't.Remember also that Italy was one of the countries that kept a good sense of perspective and common sense in aviation following WTC attacks - good security measures without the barmy behaviour seen elsewhere!
Another very positive aspect is the dynamic commercial department. One of the only companies to benefit greatly from the collapse of Swissair,(through priority share buy-back), Volare seems to have thrived ,even through the last two years' difficult trading conditions.
My great interest is in the high quality wines from Piemonte. However ,I'm not going to share this privileged information with you, since you buying my preferred wines may cause the producers to put the prices up, to my detriment!!!
Dotted around the company are plenty of good personel and the operation is certainly better than that of certain UK - managed companies
I could mention.....but won't.Remember also that Italy was one of the countries that kept a good sense of perspective and common sense in aviation following WTC attacks - good security measures without the barmy behaviour seen elsewhere!
Another very positive aspect is the dynamic commercial department. One of the only companies to benefit greatly from the collapse of Swissair,(through priority share buy-back), Volare seems to have thrived ,even through the last two years' difficult trading conditions.
My great interest is in the high quality wines from Piemonte. However ,I'm not going to share this privileged information with you, since you buying my preferred wines may cause the producers to put the prices up, to my detriment!!!
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partagas,
learn Italian,read local newspapers and than you will not seem a bloody fo**l (or imposter).In yesterday's Messaggero the paper admits that it's still dangerous to fly from italian airports (LIN disaster in mind) because nothing of substance has changed since.In Italy two pilots can still be send on a 17-hour duty.The Swissair shares have been bought because the alternative was to lose it all (the other half) and the management of AEI was given into hands of people who could only manage an aero club type of ops before,the outfit that was the first in Italy to have the operations suspended for unsafe practicies.The result is:from landing at an apt in a wrong country via stranding hundreds of pax by AOGing an A330 by pouring Skydrol into engines to ramming another A330 on the ground (the list is long).The clusters of "good personell dotted around the comp" is just that:few scatered dots of professionals (mainly ex AEI).The affair is:the small,joung fish has eaten an experienced much bigger fish.
Now get another bottle of that wine and forget about reality.
Chears.
P.S.How competitive the Capt,s package is if he only flies 50 hours?Or would you rather join on one stripe pay?
learn Italian,read local newspapers and than you will not seem a bloody fo**l (or imposter).In yesterday's Messaggero the paper admits that it's still dangerous to fly from italian airports (LIN disaster in mind) because nothing of substance has changed since.In Italy two pilots can still be send on a 17-hour duty.The Swissair shares have been bought because the alternative was to lose it all (the other half) and the management of AEI was given into hands of people who could only manage an aero club type of ops before,the outfit that was the first in Italy to have the operations suspended for unsafe practicies.The result is:from landing at an apt in a wrong country via stranding hundreds of pax by AOGing an A330 by pouring Skydrol into engines to ramming another A330 on the ground (the list is long).The clusters of "good personell dotted around the comp" is just that:few scatered dots of professionals (mainly ex AEI).The affair is:the small,joung fish has eaten an experienced much bigger fish.
Now get another bottle of that wine and forget about reality.
Chears.
P.S.How competitive the Capt,s package is if he only flies 50 hours?Or would you rather join on one stripe pay?
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Geeny, whoever you are, you are having a bad day! Improve your English by re-reading my post.
Unsatisfactory limitation of flight duty periods, and air traffic control services are not the fault of Volare Airlines since it is only an operator not the regulatory authority. Your post is self-contradictory because the same hazards were endured by AEI, of which you seem to approve.
You are correct in stating that the salary earned for 50 hours is dire, but I considered the average annual payment when writing that the salary for captains was competetive, and I did say that I would like more!
Finally ,because you are having such a miserable time i'm going to pass on information to you that I refuse to share with my wine society in England. I'm going to tell you about the best producer in Gattinara, but via "private message", for the reasons stated in my last post.In any case ,if you bulk buy causing demand to exceed supply, and the prices go up ,I'll curse you for ever!!!!
Unsatisfactory limitation of flight duty periods, and air traffic control services are not the fault of Volare Airlines since it is only an operator not the regulatory authority. Your post is self-contradictory because the same hazards were endured by AEI, of which you seem to approve.
You are correct in stating that the salary earned for 50 hours is dire, but I considered the average annual payment when writing that the salary for captains was competetive, and I did say that I would like more!
Finally ,because you are having such a miserable time i'm going to pass on information to you that I refuse to share with my wine society in England. I'm going to tell you about the best producer in Gattinara, but via "private message", for the reasons stated in my last post.In any case ,if you bulk buy causing demand to exceed supply, and the prices go up ,I'll curse you for ever!!!!
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GEENY, you are spot on.
In Italy it's who you know and not what you know. Unfortunately this philosphy causes a threat to safety, when applied to the airline industry.
As far as the AEI/Volare situation you are right by saying the AEI guys were very professional and had successfully managed to combine a flight Ops department made up of different nationalities. When Volare took over they immediately took action so that the competent foreigners would leave. The very low salary imposed on new FOs is also another disgusting practice and why so many qualified and capable guys never even send a CV to Volare.
Italian aviation is a bit of a nightmare. However, Ryan Air have now opened their Bergamo base and are recruiting pilots. The deal is very good and the opertion is well managed. It will be interesting to see how Gandalf Airlines are going to compete with Ryan Air, as they are flying almost the same routes and a very different cost to the passenger.
In Italy it's who you know and not what you know. Unfortunately this philosphy causes a threat to safety, when applied to the airline industry.
As far as the AEI/Volare situation you are right by saying the AEI guys were very professional and had successfully managed to combine a flight Ops department made up of different nationalities. When Volare took over they immediately took action so that the competent foreigners would leave. The very low salary imposed on new FOs is also another disgusting practice and why so many qualified and capable guys never even send a CV to Volare.
Italian aviation is a bit of a nightmare. However, Ryan Air have now opened their Bergamo base and are recruiting pilots. The deal is very good and the opertion is well managed. It will be interesting to see how Gandalf Airlines are going to compete with Ryan Air, as they are flying almost the same routes and a very different cost to the passenger.
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So,Volare is having difficulty attracting A320 drivers via Storm,small wonder.I'm still waiting to be proven wrong by facts and not bottles (empty or otherways).The ignorant types like partagas fit well into VLE,I give him that much.
