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Here's the link to the Mile High Club problem:
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...6B211&set_id=1
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...6B211&set_id=1
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Pilots return to Virgin
I heard that some ex Virgin Pilots were leaving easyjet to rejoin
Virgin. Why would they return to a company with such low moral, in all seriouness if the preverbial hits the fan again easy won't take them back!
Virgin. Why would they return to a company with such low moral, in all seriouness if the preverbial hits the fan again easy won't take them back!
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Got this via e-mail:
Mile high club bonk to bits
Romper room ... passengers used baby changing rooms on Virgin Airbus for romps
By PAUL CROSBIE
VIRGIN'S latest airliner is being revamped after randy passengers discovered a tiny cabin was just the place to join the Mile High Club.
The £130million Airbus 340-600 is fitted with a 5ft x 4ft mother and baby room with a plastic table meant for changing nappies.
But couples keep wrecking it by sneaking in for a quick bonk.
Virgin has replaced the table several times even though the plane only came into service a few weeks ago.
It is named Claudia Nine after sexy model Claudia Schiffer, 32, who launched it in July.
Now Virgin bosses have asked Airbus to build a stronger table.
At first, German engineers responsible for the jet's interior were baffled by the problem.
The table is designed to take the weight of a mum and baby.
One Airbus worker said: "We couldn't work it out. Then the penny dropped. It didn't occur to the Germans that this might happen. It caused great amusement."
The firm say the cost of strengthening the tables will be about £200.
A Virgin spokeswoman said: "Those determined to join the Mile High Club will do so despite the lack of comforts.
"We don't mind couples having a good time but this is not something that we would encourage because of air regulations."
The new Airbus is the world's longest airliner, with teasing slogan "Mine is bigger than yours". Virgin is using it on flights to the Far East and the US.
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We got our B-767 simulator training at a facility near Gatwick.
Mile high club bonk to bits
Romper room ... passengers used baby changing rooms on Virgin Airbus for romps
By PAUL CROSBIE
VIRGIN'S latest airliner is being revamped after randy passengers discovered a tiny cabin was just the place to join the Mile High Club.
The £130million Airbus 340-600 is fitted with a 5ft x 4ft mother and baby room with a plastic table meant for changing nappies.
But couples keep wrecking it by sneaking in for a quick bonk.
Virgin has replaced the table several times even though the plane only came into service a few weeks ago.
It is named Claudia Nine after sexy model Claudia Schiffer, 32, who launched it in July.
Now Virgin bosses have asked Airbus to build a stronger table.
At first, German engineers responsible for the jet's interior were baffled by the problem.
The table is designed to take the weight of a mum and baby.
One Airbus worker said: "We couldn't work it out. Then the penny dropped. It didn't occur to the Germans that this might happen. It caused great amusement."
The firm say the cost of strengthening the tables will be about £200.
A Virgin spokeswoman said: "Those determined to join the Mile High Club will do so despite the lack of comforts.
"We don't mind couples having a good time but this is not something that we would encourage because of air regulations."
The new Airbus is the world's longest airliner, with teasing slogan "Mine is bigger than yours". Virgin is using it on flights to the Far East and the US.
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We got our B-767 simulator training at a facility near Gatwick.
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Dickflys If you think things will get any better in Virgin financially then think again as SIA now own 49% and they are past masters at screwing Pilots although it does help having Draconian Labour laws to back up your threats and intimidation. The only reason SIA were interested in Virgin is cos it is a Low Cost Airline just like SIA!!
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Easy,
If I were you I would look elsewhere. The expected time to command is 10-12 years notwithstanding any more market downturns, this equates to @37 extra aircraft.......
The Fun has gone, morale is rock bottom & the salary is among the worst worldwide for Long-Haul operations.
As for the 2 crew Florida's, I was affected by this: the limits are 9 in 6 months, I was called out for an extra MIA & was told that it was my 9th, it was in fact my 10th but one had "got lost" in the system!!!!!! Before I left crewing was groaning at the seams, lots of crew on Unapid Leave aren't going back at the moment even though the company are asking them to return.
I joined Virgin for a career, this is now not a reason to join as experience has shown that when the chips are down you are very expendable.....
There are worse companies out there.. but there are also a lot better.
If I were you I would look elsewhere. The expected time to command is 10-12 years notwithstanding any more market downturns, this equates to @37 extra aircraft.......
The Fun has gone, morale is rock bottom & the salary is among the worst worldwide for Long-Haul operations.
As for the 2 crew Florida's, I was affected by this: the limits are 9 in 6 months, I was called out for an extra MIA & was told that it was my 9th, it was in fact my 10th but one had "got lost" in the system!!!!!! Before I left crewing was groaning at the seams, lots of crew on Unapid Leave aren't going back at the moment even though the company are asking them to return.
I joined Virgin for a career, this is now not a reason to join as experience has shown that when the chips are down you are very expendable.....
There are worse companies out there.. but there are also a lot better.
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This thread confirms what I have thought for a long time. Fly Virgin (or anyone else for that matter) and get a grumpy Captain and its a relatively insiginificant event. Get a grumpy cabin staff or the IFE doesn't work and you cross the terminal and fly with another airline next time. Moral of the story: Don't moan about how much pilots are paid because so long as the autopilot does its job you have little or no direct impact on the passenger (customer) and therefore no control or impact on the profitability of the company. Show me a single successful company that pays its staff 50k plus when they have no impact on the bottom line. No wonder airlines struggle to make a profit. Stop moaning and get a real job ( 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year) like the rest of the country.
Rant over, 'step away from the thread Mr Bert its about to explode'
Rant over, 'step away from the thread Mr Bert its about to explode'
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Fatal bert.............what????????
overworked, fatigued, grumpy Captain = lack of ability to concentrate properly on job at hand = danger to all on board.
This is why airline managements should be brought to book for their consistent ability to ignore the relationship between fatigue, low morale and flight safety.
I think you'll find that pilots can have a very real effect on the bottom line............
....and another thing....
Fatal bert, I see from your one other post that your an ex-military pilot.
It would be nice to see some support from a colleague....
So, other than trying to wind us all up, I don't get this "don't moan about how much pilots are paid" and "stop moaning and get a real job like the rest of the country" c**p.
If we the pilots don't complain about our t's and c's, who else is going to stand up for us? How in hell's name will we have any control over our working lives and indirectly the quality of life for our families?
*sigh*......
overworked, fatigued, grumpy Captain = lack of ability to concentrate properly on job at hand = danger to all on board.
This is why airline managements should be brought to book for their consistent ability to ignore the relationship between fatigue, low morale and flight safety.
I think you'll find that pilots can have a very real effect on the bottom line............
....and another thing....
Fatal bert, I see from your one other post that your an ex-military pilot.
It would be nice to see some support from a colleague....
So, other than trying to wind us all up, I don't get this "don't moan about how much pilots are paid" and "stop moaning and get a real job like the rest of the country" c**p.
If we the pilots don't complain about our t's and c's, who else is going to stand up for us? How in hell's name will we have any control over our working lives and indirectly the quality of life for our families?
*sigh*......
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OK then a slight expansion on my last post. It was written at 0200 so was a bit vitriolic, sorry.
The point that wound me up was the moan early in the thread with regard to FO's at Go earning more than their equivalent at Virgin. While I accept that their is a traditional hierarchy of airline employment in terms of pay and conditions (and prestige) with the long haul operators at the top of the tree, I believe the low cost guys are under considerably more pressure to achieve and are working a lot harder. So rather than complain about how much people at Go earn just be grateful you managed to get a job at the top of the food chain.
The point that wound me up was the moan early in the thread with regard to FO's at Go earning more than their equivalent at Virgin. While I accept that their is a traditional hierarchy of airline employment in terms of pay and conditions (and prestige) with the long haul operators at the top of the tree, I believe the low cost guys are under considerably more pressure to achieve and are working a lot harder. So rather than complain about how much people at Go earn just be grateful you managed to get a job at the top of the food chain.
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Thanks for the reply FB. Glad to see I'm not the only one who suffers from the 0200 rant......(usually alcohol induced in my case).
I agree about the direct comparisons between airlines - tends to deflect from the main issue.
I agree about the direct comparisons between airlines - tends to deflect from the main issue.
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Dickyflys
I know of at least SIX people leaving Easy to come back to Virgin, maybe more. They're even paying off thier £17k bonds to leave (£15.52 per day they leave before the 3 years is up!)
Maybe you think Virgin is bad but is Easy worse?????
RD
I know of at least SIX people leaving Easy to come back to Virgin, maybe more. They're even paying off thier £17k bonds to leave (£15.52 per day they leave before the 3 years is up!)
Maybe you think Virgin is bad but is Easy worse?????
RD
Ref leaving easy for Virgin:
Story is they are ex-cadets who spent 2 years with Virgin Sun doing 2 sector days 4 times a month then had a couple of months on the 340 bunk before redundancy. As a result, so the story goes, they found 4 sector days with easy a bit of a shock... Of course this is only hearsay and I would hate to think this was true.
As for the pay- not only Go but easy and bmi F/Os take home about 500 - 800 quid per month more than me. When you balance in (?) pension and rosters I still think the short-haul guys are ahead. (Shame I biffed the easyJet sim really).
Story is they are ex-cadets who spent 2 years with Virgin Sun doing 2 sector days 4 times a month then had a couple of months on the 340 bunk before redundancy. As a result, so the story goes, they found 4 sector days with easy a bit of a shock... Of course this is only hearsay and I would hate to think this was true.
As for the pay- not only Go but easy and bmi F/Os take home about 500 - 800 quid per month more than me. When you balance in (?) pension and rosters I still think the short-haul guys are ahead. (Shame I biffed the easyJet sim really).
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not sure about bmi f/o's earning that much. Go/Easy/Ryan I can undersand with sector pay but bmi? The word out of Crawley is that they have been somewhat inundated with CVs many of which are from bmi, if they were earning that much why leave?