Air Astana
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I check the vacancy on pilotglobal.com from there a link gets to the website where the last date mentioned is 31st Dec 2025. But but if you go the careers the form is still available to apply.
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Hi gents,
Just for your information about Air Astana process.
I have applied as a NTR experienced first officer but politely abandoned the process once they mentioned about a 4 year bond of 25000€ (see attached) where you have to deposit 12500€.
With that amount, I do believe I can have another type rating and get hired in other airlines flying the 320.
It’s a pity to put such conditions and attract experienced pilots.
Whoever wants further information about the conditions can hit me in private.
But what I have to make you aware is that you make sure what are their conditions before even applying
kind regards.
Just for your information about Air Astana process.
I have applied as a NTR experienced first officer but politely abandoned the process once they mentioned about a 4 year bond of 25000€ (see attached) where you have to deposit 12500€.
With that amount, I do believe I can have another type rating and get hired in other airlines flying the 320.
It’s a pity to put such conditions and attract experienced pilots.
Whoever wants further information about the conditions can hit me in private.
But what I have to make you aware is that you make sure what are their conditions before even applying
kind regards.
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Firstly, Quick answer to your question I have never seen an airline hiring EXPERIENCED first officers asking them to deposit half of the amount of a bond. Most airlines such as Ryanair (not RyanAir or Ryan Air) do this for cadets (who have never flown a jet).
Furthermore, in Ryanair the 30k is for cadets who have never flown a jet and mostly as you say don’t get nothing which is not true you got hired based on your performance. For your information Ryanair do fly A320 as well if you are experienced on another type and get hired as a NTR EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER there is nothing to be deposited on the 3years bond.
In addition, comparing Ryanair and Air Astana might be low mate. Ryanair is a low cost airline Air Astana is a flag carrier (would you put them in the same box mate?). What can be questioned is why a national carrier do the same practices as a low cost airline?
Alternatively, in Wizzair, cadets and NTR EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICERS are bonded but they don’t have anything to deposit. Jet2, British airways have a cadet scheme with a job secured for cadet and there is no money to be deposited and so on.
Additionally, in Ryanair NTR EXPERIENCED FO there is a bond for which they don’t have to deposit NOTHING again I’m talking about NTR EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER.
Last, I’m not here to argue you seem to know better just make sure to what you get on and as mentioned in my first message if you need further information about Air Astana conditions as a NTR EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER hit me in private I’ll send you a copy of the contract they sent me
In conclusion, I do reiterate that I am not sure its attracts EXPERIENCED First officers.
Kind regards and good day (or night according to your timezone)
PS: This message is for whoever reads this in order to inform itself. I do repeat make sure about the conditions of whatever company you get in. My short experience in life and aviation have taught me once you see any entity being defensive for a statement that can be empirically verifiable run for your life.
Furthermore, in Ryanair the 30k is for cadets who have never flown a jet and mostly as you say don’t get nothing which is not true you got hired based on your performance. For your information Ryanair do fly A320 as well if you are experienced on another type and get hired as a NTR EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER there is nothing to be deposited on the 3years bond.
In addition, comparing Ryanair and Air Astana might be low mate. Ryanair is a low cost airline Air Astana is a flag carrier (would you put them in the same box mate?). What can be questioned is why a national carrier do the same practices as a low cost airline?
Alternatively, in Wizzair, cadets and NTR EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICERS are bonded but they don’t have anything to deposit. Jet2, British airways have a cadet scheme with a job secured for cadet and there is no money to be deposited and so on.
Additionally, in Ryanair NTR EXPERIENCED FO there is a bond for which they don’t have to deposit NOTHING again I’m talking about NTR EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER.
Last, I’m not here to argue you seem to know better just make sure to what you get on and as mentioned in my first message if you need further information about Air Astana conditions as a NTR EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER hit me in private I’ll send you a copy of the contract they sent me
In conclusion, I do reiterate that I am not sure its attracts EXPERIENCED First officers.
Kind regards and good day (or night according to your timezone)
PS: This message is for whoever reads this in order to inform itself. I do repeat make sure about the conditions of whatever company you get in. My short experience in life and aviation have taught me once you see any entity being defensive for a statement that can be empirically verifiable run for your life.
'Mate', you can hit Caps Lock on 'EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER' all you want, but the reality is you are a 32-year-old 737 FO. You do not have an A320 rating. To the company, that means you are a raw financial investment who needs to be trained from scratch on this jet, regardless of what you flew before.
Let’s do a proper reality check on your Ryanair (did I spell it right for you this time?) comparison. Yes, guys drop €30k there. But what you conveniently left out is that the job is only guaranteed after you pass the Type Rating. At Air Astana, you have a job guarantee on Day 1. You get sent to Toulouse for a month for the TR, the airline pays for it entirely, and you are collecting your salary plus roughly €70 a day net in per diems the whole time. That €12.5k is a refundable deposit. It is a retention mechanic for an expat market, not a low-cost carrier cash grab.
You claim you're perfectly fine with being bonded at Wizzair or Jet2 as long as there's no upfront deposit. But let's look at your actual situation. You are currently flying the 737 at a European LCC and throwing applications at anyone who will listen.
Let's call a spade a spade: your real issue isn't the 'principle' of the bond. It’s just that you don't actually have the €12,500 cash to put down. Dressing up an empty bank account as a moral crusade against an airline's 'conditions' is just embarrassing. Especially when you look at the math. The net salary here clears €5,000+ after taxes. You effectively offset the value of that refundable deposit in your first two and a half months. Good luck finding that kind of net income at the European carriers you keep quoting.
Nobody here is a 'defensive entity.' But honestly, seeing how quickly you have a multi-paragraph meltdown over a refundable deposit, which perfectly matches your public crying session over your UPRT training delays. I can only imagine how you handle an actual stressful situation on the flight deck.
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'Mate', you can hit Caps Lock on 'EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER' all you want, but the reality is you are a 32-year-old 737 FO. You do not have an A320 rating. To the company, that means you are a raw financial investment who needs to be trained from scratch on this jet, regardless of what you flew before.
Let’s do a proper reality check on your Ryanair (did I spell it right for you this time?) comparison. Yes, guys drop €30k there. But what you conveniently left out is that the job is only guaranteed after you pass the Type Rating. At Air Astana, you have a job guarantee on Day 1. You get sent to Toulouse for a month for the TR, the airline pays for it entirely, and you are collecting your salary plus roughly €70 a day net in per diems the whole time. That €12.5k is a refundable deposit. It is a retention mechanic for an expat market, not a low-cost carrier cash grab.
You claim you're perfectly fine with being bonded at Wizzair or Jet2 as long as there's no upfront deposit. But let's look at your actual situation. You are currently flying the 737 at a European LCC and throwing applications at anyone who will listen.
Let's call a spade a spade: your real issue isn't the 'principle' of the bond. It’s just that you don't actually have the €12,500 cash to put down. Dressing up an empty bank account as a moral crusade against an airline's 'conditions' is just embarrassing. Especially when you look at the math. The net salary here clears €5,000+ after taxes. You effectively offset the value of that refundable deposit in your first two and a half months. Good luck finding that kind of net income at the European carriers you keep quoting.
Nobody here is a 'defensive entity.' But honestly, seeing how quickly you have a multi-paragraph meltdown over a refundable deposit, which perfectly matches your public crying session over your UPRT training delays. I can only imagine how you handle an actual stressful situation on the flight deck.
Let’s do a proper reality check on your Ryanair (did I spell it right for you this time?) comparison. Yes, guys drop €30k there. But what you conveniently left out is that the job is only guaranteed after you pass the Type Rating. At Air Astana, you have a job guarantee on Day 1. You get sent to Toulouse for a month for the TR, the airline pays for it entirely, and you are collecting your salary plus roughly €70 a day net in per diems the whole time. That €12.5k is a refundable deposit. It is a retention mechanic for an expat market, not a low-cost carrier cash grab.
You claim you're perfectly fine with being bonded at Wizzair or Jet2 as long as there's no upfront deposit. But let's look at your actual situation. You are currently flying the 737 at a European LCC and throwing applications at anyone who will listen.
Let's call a spade a spade: your real issue isn't the 'principle' of the bond. It’s just that you don't actually have the €12,500 cash to put down. Dressing up an empty bank account as a moral crusade against an airline's 'conditions' is just embarrassing. Especially when you look at the math. The net salary here clears €5,000+ after taxes. You effectively offset the value of that refundable deposit in your first two and a half months. Good luck finding that kind of net income at the European carriers you keep quoting.
Nobody here is a 'defensive entity.' But honestly, seeing how quickly you have a multi-paragraph meltdown over a refundable deposit, which perfectly matches your public crying session over your UPRT training delays. I can only imagine how you handle an actual stressful situation on the flight deck.
Thank you for your inputs Sir, I am sure it will be beneficial for those looking for information here and know about Air Astana and its culture by extension.
But let’s stop a minute here let’s come back to the facts.You asked me to “elaborate” so I did. Maybe should we remind the definition of “elaborate” ? (Cambridge dictionary: Verb. 1. elaborate - add details, as to an account or idea; clarify the meaning of and discourse in a learned way, usually in writing )
Writing more than two lines after being asked to expand on my position isn’t a “meltdown”. It’s called answering the question that you asked.
On the “raw investment” comment: not having an A320 rating does not erase years of multi-crew jet experience. A type rating is aircraft-specific training. It is not a reset to zero. Operating a 737 in a high-tempo (25 min turnaround ) European LCC environment builds transferable skills SOP discipline, workload management, decision-making under pressure, CRM in real-world ops. Airlines hire cross-type FOs because that experience matters.And believe me you can say whatever you want with Ryanair but their training (high paced) which most of people don't succeed past the type rating due to high pressure is well recognised worldwide. And yes as a cadet the job there is guaranteed based on your performance which is meritocratic and I’m 100% ok with it. But even Ryanair who is a LCC doesn’t request upfront payment for Experienced pilots. So it’s surprising for a flag carrier to do so…
Also, questioning terms and conditions doesn’t make someone unstable or incapable of handling stress on the flight deck coming from the military believe me stress management is not lacking here. If anything, evaluating risk, reading the fine print, and thinking critically before committing financially are exactly the traits you want in a pilot.You know like when you were mentioning in that job interview that you are “detail oriented”
Now, about Air Astana I never disputed the structure.Job from day one? Good.Type rating paid? Good.Salary and per diems during training? Also good. Getting close to home? Holy grail!
As for the “throwing applications at anyone who will listen” comment that’s called career management. Every pilot in Europe and around the world right now is exploring options and opportunities as yourself were and are applying to Fly Dubai, emirates in 2022, Wizz Abu Dhabi... That’s normal in this industry.
My decision wasn’t about whether the deal is “profitable.” It was about capital exposure.
“You make €5k net, so you recover it in 2.5 months” is an income argument.A €12,500 deposit is capital tied up for four years.
Those are two different financial concepts.
When you’ve funded your entire aviation path yourself ratings, living costs, recurrent training you learn to protect liquidity. Not everyone had “papa and mama” money. Some of us worked multiple jobs before aviation to get to the flight deck. Enlisted in the military young went in different operations the money earned have been hardly earned so believe me you would be careful on where you put it.Some of us absorbed every delay and every unexpected cost personally while at the same time handling a family and a house. So yes I am a proud “32 years old FO”!
Which brings me to UPRT. Yes, I was frustrated. And I’d be again I’ll always stand against people who have no integrity and profiting from other people.
If you pay a flight school money on time and they fail to deliver training on time and professionally that delay directly impacts your money that’s not “public crying” That’s holding that school accountable. Especially when the majority of the students in that intake were affected.
Speaking up about that doesn’t make someone unstable. Evaluating financial risk doesn’t make someone broke.
Declining to wire five figures upfront doesn’t make someone incapable under stress.It means I assess risk differently.
You’re comfortable with the bond structure and paying 12,5k upfront That’s fine.
I’m comfortable walking away from a deal that doesn’t align with my financial strategy.
Last, if you are wondering what kind of pilot and FO I am here is for the record
and this is the last transmission thank you anyway for this enriching chat
Kindest regards.
(Sorry from posting on a different account the previous one jumped up)
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Thank you for your inputs Sir, I am sure it will be beneficial for those looking for information here and know about Air Astana and its culture by extension.
But let’s stop a minute here let’s come back to the facts.You asked me to “elaborate” so I did. Maybe should we remind the definition of “elaborate” ? (Cambridge dictionary: Verb. 1. elaborate - add details, as to an account or idea; clarify the meaning of and discourse in a learned way, usually in writing )
Writing more than two lines after being asked to expand on my position isn’t a “meltdown”. It’s called answering the question that you asked.
On the “raw investment” comment: not having an A320 rating does not erase years of multi-crew jet experience. A type rating is aircraft-specific training. It is not a reset to zero. Operating a 737 in a high-tempo (25 min turnaround ) European LCC environment builds transferable skills SOP discipline, workload management, decision-making under pressure, CRM in real-world ops. Airlines hire cross-type FOs because that experience matters.And believe me you can say whatever you want with Ryanair but their training (high paced) which most of people don't succeed past the type rating due to high pressure is well recognised worldwide. And yes as a cadet the job there is guaranteed based on your performance which is meritocratic and I’m 100% ok with it. But even Ryanair who is a LCC doesn’t request upfront payment for Experienced pilots. So it’s surprising for a flag carrier to do so…
Also, questioning terms and conditions doesn’t make someone unstable or incapable of handling stress on the flight deck coming from the military believe me stress management is not lacking here. If anything, evaluating risk, reading the fine print, and thinking critically before committing financially are exactly the traits you want in a pilot.You know like when you were mentioning in that job interview that you are “detail oriented”
Now, about Air Astana I never disputed the structure.Job from day one? Good.Type rating paid? Good.Salary and per diems during training? Also good. Getting close to home? Holy grail!
As for the “throwing applications at anyone who will listen” comment that’s called career management. Every pilot in Europe and around the world right now is exploring options and opportunities as yourself were and are applying to Fly Dubai, emirates in 2022, Wizz Abu Dhabi... That’s normal in this industry.
My decision wasn’t about whether the deal is “profitable.” It was about capital exposure.
“You make €5k net, so you recover it in 2.5 months” is an income argument.A €12,500 deposit is capital tied up for four years.
Those are two different financial concepts.
When you’ve funded your entire aviation path yourself ratings, living costs, recurrent training you learn to protect liquidity. Not everyone had “papa and mama” money. Some of us worked multiple jobs before aviation to get to the flight deck. Enlisted in the military young went in different operations the money earned have been hardly earned so believe me you would be careful on where you put it.Some of us absorbed every delay and every unexpected cost personally while at the same time handling a family and a house. So yes I am a proud “32 years old FO”!
Which brings me to UPRT. Yes, I was frustrated. And I’d be again I’ll always stand against people who have no integrity and profiting from other people.
If you pay a flight school money on time and they fail to deliver training on time and professionally that delay directly impacts your money that’s not “public crying” That’s holding that school accountable. Especially when the majority of the students in that intake were affected.
Speaking up about that doesn’t make someone unstable. Evaluating financial risk doesn’t make someone broke.
Declining to wire five figures upfront doesn’t make someone incapable under stress.It means I assess risk differently.
You’re comfortable with the bond structure and paying 12,5k upfront That’s fine.
I’m comfortable walking away from a deal that doesn’t align with my financial strategy.
Last, if you are wondering what kind of pilot and FO I am here is for the record
and this is the last transmission thank you anyway for this enriching chat
Kindest regards.
(Sorry from posting on a different account the previous one jumped up)
But let’s stop a minute here let’s come back to the facts.You asked me to “elaborate” so I did. Maybe should we remind the definition of “elaborate” ? (Cambridge dictionary: Verb. 1. elaborate - add details, as to an account or idea; clarify the meaning of and discourse in a learned way, usually in writing )
Writing more than two lines after being asked to expand on my position isn’t a “meltdown”. It’s called answering the question that you asked.
On the “raw investment” comment: not having an A320 rating does not erase years of multi-crew jet experience. A type rating is aircraft-specific training. It is not a reset to zero. Operating a 737 in a high-tempo (25 min turnaround ) European LCC environment builds transferable skills SOP discipline, workload management, decision-making under pressure, CRM in real-world ops. Airlines hire cross-type FOs because that experience matters.And believe me you can say whatever you want with Ryanair but their training (high paced) which most of people don't succeed past the type rating due to high pressure is well recognised worldwide. And yes as a cadet the job there is guaranteed based on your performance which is meritocratic and I’m 100% ok with it. But even Ryanair who is a LCC doesn’t request upfront payment for Experienced pilots. So it’s surprising for a flag carrier to do so…
Also, questioning terms and conditions doesn’t make someone unstable or incapable of handling stress on the flight deck coming from the military believe me stress management is not lacking here. If anything, evaluating risk, reading the fine print, and thinking critically before committing financially are exactly the traits you want in a pilot.You know like when you were mentioning in that job interview that you are “detail oriented”
Now, about Air Astana I never disputed the structure.Job from day one? Good.Type rating paid? Good.Salary and per diems during training? Also good. Getting close to home? Holy grail!
As for the “throwing applications at anyone who will listen” comment that’s called career management. Every pilot in Europe and around the world right now is exploring options and opportunities as yourself were and are applying to Fly Dubai, emirates in 2022, Wizz Abu Dhabi... That’s normal in this industry.
My decision wasn’t about whether the deal is “profitable.” It was about capital exposure.
“You make €5k net, so you recover it in 2.5 months” is an income argument.A €12,500 deposit is capital tied up for four years.
Those are two different financial concepts.
When you’ve funded your entire aviation path yourself ratings, living costs, recurrent training you learn to protect liquidity. Not everyone had “papa and mama” money. Some of us worked multiple jobs before aviation to get to the flight deck. Enlisted in the military young went in different operations the money earned have been hardly earned so believe me you would be careful on where you put it.Some of us absorbed every delay and every unexpected cost personally while at the same time handling a family and a house. So yes I am a proud “32 years old FO”!
Which brings me to UPRT. Yes, I was frustrated. And I’d be again I’ll always stand against people who have no integrity and profiting from other people.
If you pay a flight school money on time and they fail to deliver training on time and professionally that delay directly impacts your money that’s not “public crying” That’s holding that school accountable. Especially when the majority of the students in that intake were affected.
Speaking up about that doesn’t make someone unstable. Evaluating financial risk doesn’t make someone broke.
Declining to wire five figures upfront doesn’t make someone incapable under stress.It means I assess risk differently.
You’re comfortable with the bond structure and paying 12,5k upfront That’s fine.
I’m comfortable walking away from a deal that doesn’t align with my financial strategy.
Last, if you are wondering what kind of pilot and FO I am here is for the record
and this is the last transmission thank you anyway for this enriching chat
Kindest regards.
(Sorry from posting on a different account the previous one jumped up)
Since you love dictionary definitions so much, let’s look at another one: Insecurity (noun) - uncertainty or anxiety about oneself; lack of confidence. For example: driving a 32-year-old 737 FO to fire up a burner account so they can upload their grading paperwork to prove they are a "good pilot" after losing an argument about a deposit.You can dress this up in whatever Wall Street buzzwords you want. "capital exposure," "protecting liquidity" or "financial strategy." It doesn’t change the basic reality. You are trying to frame the fact that you don’t have €12,500 in cash as some principled, tactical stand against a flag carrier. Playing the "I didn't have mama and papa's money" card is a nice dramatic touch, but it’s completely irrelevant. A lot of us worked multiple jobs to get to the flight deck; you aren't a martyr for having a normal aviation career path. I’m not even out here waving a company flag. The airline is far from perfect, and I'll admit that. But there is a massive difference between having legitimate critiques of a company's bureaucracy and having a meltdown over a standard expat retention mechanic just because you don't actually have the cash on hand.You keep bragging about your 25-minute LCC turnarounds like it makes you Chuck Yeager. Operating an A320 or A321 in this environment is a completely different operation. The airline pays for your type rating, gives you a job on day one, and pays you a €5k+ net salary while you’re sitting in Toulouse collecting per diems. If you think putting down a refundable deposit to secure that is a bad "financial strategy," then by all means, this is not for you.
All the best!
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From: Tirana
Posting your routine line check results on an anonymous rumor network to win an argument with a stranger, and scrambling to log into a secondary account just to do it because you were so desperate to get the last word. That is genuinely spectacular. I think we’ve officially reached peak aviation forum
Since you love dictionary definitions so much, let’s look at another one: Insecurity (noun) - uncertainty or anxiety about oneself; lack of confidence. For example: driving a 32-year-old 737 FO to fire up a burner account so they can upload their grading paperwork to prove they are a "good pilot" after losing an argument about a deposit.You can dress this up in whatever Wall Street buzzwords you want. "capital exposure," "protecting liquidity" or "financial strategy." It doesn’t change the basic reality. You are trying to frame the fact that you don’t have €12,500 in cash as some principled, tactical stand against a flag carrier. Playing the "I didn't have mama and papa's money" card is a nice dramatic touch, but it’s completely irrelevant. A lot of us worked multiple jobs to get to the flight deck; you aren't a martyr for having a normal aviation career path. I’m not even out here waving a company flag. The airline is far from perfect, and I'll admit that. But there is a massive difference between having legitimate critiques of a company's bureaucracy and having a meltdown over a standard expat retention mechanic just because you don't actually have the cash on hand.You keep bragging about your 25-minute LCC turnarounds like it makes you Chuck Yeager. Operating an A320 or A321 in this environment is a completely different operation. The airline pays for your type rating, gives you a job on day one, and pays you a €5k+ net salary while you’re sitting in Toulouse collecting per diems. If you think putting down a refundable deposit to secure that is a bad "financial strategy," then by all means, this is not for you.
All the best!
Since you love dictionary definitions so much, let’s look at another one: Insecurity (noun) - uncertainty or anxiety about oneself; lack of confidence. For example: driving a 32-year-old 737 FO to fire up a burner account so they can upload their grading paperwork to prove they are a "good pilot" after losing an argument about a deposit.You can dress this up in whatever Wall Street buzzwords you want. "capital exposure," "protecting liquidity" or "financial strategy." It doesn’t change the basic reality. You are trying to frame the fact that you don’t have €12,500 in cash as some principled, tactical stand against a flag carrier. Playing the "I didn't have mama and papa's money" card is a nice dramatic touch, but it’s completely irrelevant. A lot of us worked multiple jobs to get to the flight deck; you aren't a martyr for having a normal aviation career path. I’m not even out here waving a company flag. The airline is far from perfect, and I'll admit that. But there is a massive difference between having legitimate critiques of a company's bureaucracy and having a meltdown over a standard expat retention mechanic just because you don't actually have the cash on hand.You keep bragging about your 25-minute LCC turnarounds like it makes you Chuck Yeager. Operating an A320 or A321 in this environment is a completely different operation. The airline pays for your type rating, gives you a job on day one, and pays you a €5k+ net salary while you’re sitting in Toulouse collecting per diems. If you think putting down a refundable deposit to secure that is a bad "financial strategy," then by all means, this is not for you.
All the best!
anyway all the best for you too 
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'Mate', you can hit Caps Lock on 'EXPERIENCED FIRST OFFICER' all you want, but the reality is you are a 32-year-old 737 FO. You do not have an A320 rating. To the company, that means you are a raw financial investment who needs to be trained from scratch on this jet, regardless of what you flew before.
Let’s do a proper reality check on your Ryanair (did I spell it right for you this time?) comparison. Yes, guys drop €30k there. But what you conveniently left out is that the job is only guaranteed after you pass the Type Rating. At Air Astana, you have a job guarantee on Day 1. You get sent to Toulouse for a month for the TR, the airline pays for it entirely, and you are collecting your salary plus roughly €70 a day net in per diems the whole time. That €12.5k is a refundable deposit. It is a retention mechanic for an expat market, not a low-cost carrier cash grab.
You claim you're perfectly fine with being bonded at Wizzair or Jet2 as long as there's no upfront deposit. But let's look at your actual situation. You are currently flying the 737 at a European LCC and throwing applications at anyone who will listen.
Let's call a spade a spade: your real issue isn't the 'principle' of the bond. It’s just that you don't actually have the €12,500 cash to put down. Dressing up an empty bank account as a moral crusade against an airline's 'conditions' is just embarrassing. Especially when you look at the math. The net salary here clears €5,000+ after taxes. You effectively offset the value of that refundable deposit in your first two and a half months. Good luck finding that kind of net income at the European carriers you keep quoting.
Nobody here is a 'defensive entity.' But honestly, seeing how quickly you have a multi-paragraph meltdown over a refundable deposit, which perfectly matches your public crying session over your UPRT training delays. I can only imagine how you handle an actual stressful situation on the flight deck.
Let’s do a proper reality check on your Ryanair (did I spell it right for you this time?) comparison. Yes, guys drop €30k there. But what you conveniently left out is that the job is only guaranteed after you pass the Type Rating. At Air Astana, you have a job guarantee on Day 1. You get sent to Toulouse for a month for the TR, the airline pays for it entirely, and you are collecting your salary plus roughly €70 a day net in per diems the whole time. That €12.5k is a refundable deposit. It is a retention mechanic for an expat market, not a low-cost carrier cash grab.
You claim you're perfectly fine with being bonded at Wizzair or Jet2 as long as there's no upfront deposit. But let's look at your actual situation. You are currently flying the 737 at a European LCC and throwing applications at anyone who will listen.
Let's call a spade a spade: your real issue isn't the 'principle' of the bond. It’s just that you don't actually have the €12,500 cash to put down. Dressing up an empty bank account as a moral crusade against an airline's 'conditions' is just embarrassing. Especially when you look at the math. The net salary here clears €5,000+ after taxes. You effectively offset the value of that refundable deposit in your first two and a half months. Good luck finding that kind of net income at the European carriers you keep quoting.
Nobody here is a 'defensive entity.' But honestly, seeing how quickly you have a multi-paragraph meltdown over a refundable deposit, which perfectly matches your public crying session over your UPRT training delays. I can only imagine how you handle an actual stressful situation on the flight deck.
”damn…”