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Hyderabad and Chennai every weekend?
To be honest though, I can't see many people turning down a DEP offer for the 787 due to the route network.
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Personally, I'd avoid the 380. Plenty other fleets to choose from
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They would move an entire fleet's worth of pilots to an already crewed up fleet during a downturn? Yeah right. You'd get binned out of seniority like the jumbo guys were but with a useless type rating. The CCQ is an in-house BA thing, the 350 is officially dual rated with the 330 only.
Personally, I'd avoid the 380. Plenty other fleets to choose from
Personally, I'd avoid the 380. Plenty other fleets to choose from
Except, it wasn’t the jumbo lot that were binned was it? It was the junior most 249, regardless of fleet - mostly A320 FOs.
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They would move an entire fleet's worth of pilots to an already crewed up fleet during a downturn? Yeah right. You'd get binned out of seniority like the jumbo guys were but with a useless type rating. The CCQ is an in-house BA thing, the 350 is officially dual rated with the 330 only.
Personally, I'd avoid the 380. Plenty other fleets to choose from
Personally, I'd avoid the 380. Plenty other fleets to choose from
On the other hand if you’re genuinely saying you’d prefer the bottom of the 777 list to an equivalent 380 seniority well words fail me. You’ve either not seen what junior tanker life is like (way better than any other fleet imho) or must not like time off or sleep.
Just have a play with iBid selecting P2 for 380 and 777 go to the bottom of the list and have a gander. Deselect the 777 FOs and watch all the gaps start appearing and then come back to me.
*(To come to think of it I tell a lie there were a couple gone from the 380 and the jumbo too I would have thought but done on pure seniority, not fleet)
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If I were looking for a job, and there was a 33 page thread specifically about the job I was applying for, i'd have read that thread start to finish, in detail, making notes as I went before I bothered asking any questions. Then I could ask more pointed questions if I had anything unanswered. If you cant even be bothered to spend half an hour doing that...
If I were looking for a job, and there was a 33 page thread specifically about the job I was applying for, i'd have read that thread start to finish, in detail, making notes as I went before I bothered asking any questions. Then I could ask more pointed questions if I had anything unanswered. If you cant even be bothered to spend half an hour doing that...
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Wow!
I’ve read through every page, but it seems very recently (last month) it’s changed and now the capacity test is done on a separate day and perhaps the ability test has been dropped? Just after confirmation as this thread goes back to November 2022!
Sorry to offend you all - was just after up-to-date info, rather than wasting money on SHL to practice something I didn’t need !
I’ve read through every page, but it seems very recently (last month) it’s changed and now the capacity test is done on a separate day and perhaps the ability test has been dropped? Just after confirmation as this thread goes back to November 2022!
Sorry to offend you all - was just after up-to-date info, rather than wasting money on SHL to practice something I didn’t need !
Wow!
I’ve read through every page, but it seems very recently (last month) it’s changed and now the capacity test is done on a separate day and perhaps the ability test has been dropped? Just after confirmation as this thread goes back to November 2022!
Sorry to offend you all - was just after up-to-date info, rather than wasting money on SHL to practice something I didn’t need !
I’ve read through every page, but it seems very recently (last month) it’s changed and now the capacity test is done on a separate day and perhaps the ability test has been dropped? Just after confirmation as this thread goes back to November 2022!
Sorry to offend you all - was just after up-to-date info, rather than wasting money on SHL to practice something I didn’t need !
The capacity test you can practice at LPJ
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Yes they were, and out of seniority: including losing out to new DEPs who had only done some ground school on the 'high efficiency fleets'.
So if you think seniority is going to protect you, it isn't. Being on the right fleet is.
nobody was actually made redundant off the Jumbo
So if you think seniority is going to protect you, it isn't. Being on the right fleet is.
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Is someone able to clarify the leave entitlement. I’m aware it’s 3 weeks in winter 3 weeks in summer plus 6 golden days. I’m therefore assuming leave can only be taken in week/2 week blocks?
Is a leave week a full 7 days, Sat-Sat, Sun-Sun etc and if so can that block be requested to start on any day of the week? Assuming the leave week commences on a weekend is it safe to say you would have at least 12 weekends off a year based purely on your leave?
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Is a leave week a full 7 days, Sat-Sat, Sun-Sun etc and if so can that block be requested to start on any day of the week? Assuming the leave week commences on a weekend is it safe to say you would have at least 12 weekends off a year based purely on your leave?
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Leave is usually Sat-Fri with either three wrap days off before a block or four wrap days off after a block. You get one of each type per leave season (winter and summer). If the leave block plus wraps is entirely within a month, you can slide the start day +/- 3 days when bidding for work. You can either bid for two weeks together or two separate weeks. Awarding of leave is done on a points system, not seniority.
Duty free weeks are Sun-Sat and have a non-assignable day off before them. I think the winter DFW is 8 days now.
You can choose to work in duty free weeks or wrap days but not leave (unless the company is desperate!)
Duty free weeks are Sun-Sat and have a non-assignable day off before them. I think the winter DFW is 8 days now.
You can choose to work in duty free weeks or wrap days but not leave (unless the company is desperate!)
The safe seniority line did not move an inch as a result of the high efficiency fleets, it really is very simple and I can’t believe people are still getting tied up over this. The only thing that the high efficiency fleets thing did was protect certain low seniority pilots on the 787 and A350 but absolutely nobody was made redundant on other fleets as a result of this action who would have been safe otherwise.
Or would you rather have seen all those redundancies and all the relevant low seniority 787 and 350 pilots out of a job too? That’s nice.
Yes certain fleets were protected which is I guess the main thrust of your argument but let’s not pretend that the seniority of any pilot who was above the line was in any way infringed, it wasn’t.
To reiterate nobody with a seniority number on the safe side of the cut off point was then nevertheless made redundant as a consequence of their being on a “redundant fleet”. That was my point and it is still valid.
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Regarding leave you can also bolt DFW to leave as well if it’s available. Friends of mine have taken unpaid leave after a block of leave before as well if getting away from it all is your thing.
Regarding JSS and rostering. I am only a year in but the last 3 months on SH fleet seems to have changed a lot. I’m getting at least 3 weekend days off a month and sometimes both Sat/Sunday if I get the reserve. With SH if you are a bit flexible swapping trips is a breeze at present. Getting head around bidding is hard work, once you found what works for you it’s much easier. Yes I often get a few trips I don’t want. Go into EOT or keep an eye out and swap if something drops in that I like.
Mates on triple are working so hard. Seen 5 trips a month sometimes. JFK x4 and a Lagos. Hard work especially landing 7am into LHR.
Definitely looking at all the rosters the A380 looks like the easiest fleet to me. Not much difference between most junior and senior on the fleet. Swapping within LH seems to be a lot harder from what my mates say but then they don’t have the faf of LHR which can completely fall over when a bit of weather hits the UK.
As others have said BA kind of ripped up the rule book during COVID. People that got 787, 350 Feb 2020 kept their jobs. I know guys who took 777 as waiting for a 787 course meant another month before you start and “seniority is everything at BA” got dumped by BA. They are back of course but it seems everyone is looking over their shoulders now and positioning themselves just incase.
Regarding JSS and rostering. I am only a year in but the last 3 months on SH fleet seems to have changed a lot. I’m getting at least 3 weekend days off a month and sometimes both Sat/Sunday if I get the reserve. With SH if you are a bit flexible swapping trips is a breeze at present. Getting head around bidding is hard work, once you found what works for you it’s much easier. Yes I often get a few trips I don’t want. Go into EOT or keep an eye out and swap if something drops in that I like.
Mates on triple are working so hard. Seen 5 trips a month sometimes. JFK x4 and a Lagos. Hard work especially landing 7am into LHR.
Definitely looking at all the rosters the A380 looks like the easiest fleet to me. Not much difference between most junior and senior on the fleet. Swapping within LH seems to be a lot harder from what my mates say but then they don’t have the faf of LHR which can completely fall over when a bit of weather hits the UK.
As others have said BA kind of ripped up the rule book during COVID. People that got 787, 350 Feb 2020 kept their jobs. I know guys who took 777 as waiting for a 787 course meant another month before you start and “seniority is everything at BA” got dumped by BA. They are back of course but it seems everyone is looking over their shoulders now and positioning themselves just incase.
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Regarding leave you can also bolt DFW to leave as well if it’s available. Friends of mine have taken unpaid leave after a block of leave before as well if getting away from it all is your thing.
Regarding JSS and rostering. I am only a year in but the last 3 months on SH fleet seems to have changed a lot. I’m getting at least 3 weekend days off a month and sometimes both Sat/Sunday if I get the reserve. With SH if you are a bit flexible swapping trips is a breeze at present. Getting head around bidding is hard work, once you found what works for you it’s much easier. Yes I often get a few trips I don’t want. Go into EOT or keep an eye out and swap if something drops in that I like.
Mates on triple are working so hard. Seen 5 trips a month sometimes. JFK x4 and a Lagos. Hard work especially landing 7am into LHR.
Definitely looking at all the rosters the A380 looks like the easiest fleet to me. Not much difference between most junior and senior on the fleet. Swapping within LH seems to be a lot harder from what my mates say but then they don’t have the faf of LHR which can completely fall over when a bit of weather hits the UK.
As others have said BA kind of ripped up the rule book during COVID. People that got 787, 350 Feb 2020 kept their jobs. I know guys who took 777 as waiting for a 787 course meant another month before you start and “seniority is everything at BA” got dumped by BA. They are back of course but it seems everyone is looking over their shoulders now and positioning themselves just incase.
Regarding JSS and rostering. I am only a year in but the last 3 months on SH fleet seems to have changed a lot. I’m getting at least 3 weekend days off a month and sometimes both Sat/Sunday if I get the reserve. With SH if you are a bit flexible swapping trips is a breeze at present. Getting head around bidding is hard work, once you found what works for you it’s much easier. Yes I often get a few trips I don’t want. Go into EOT or keep an eye out and swap if something drops in that I like.
Mates on triple are working so hard. Seen 5 trips a month sometimes. JFK x4 and a Lagos. Hard work especially landing 7am into LHR.
Definitely looking at all the rosters the A380 looks like the easiest fleet to me. Not much difference between most junior and senior on the fleet. Swapping within LH seems to be a lot harder from what my mates say but then they don’t have the faf of LHR which can completely fall over when a bit of weather hits the UK.
As others have said BA kind of ripped up the rule book during COVID. People that got 787, 350 Feb 2020 kept their jobs. I know guys who took 777 as waiting for a 787 course meant another month before you start and “seniority is everything at BA” got dumped by BA. They are back of course but it seems everyone is looking over their shoulders now and positioning themselves just incase.
The 777 is very hard work ! Made me laugh when guys on SH would think that life would be so much easier when the promised land of LH presents itself , then they find they are doing 5 trips per month for the next xx amount of years.
380 is a nice fleet that’s for sure , but BA would screw you in a heartbeat if the need arises
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Regarding JSS and rostering. I am only a year in but the last 3 months on SH fleet seems to have changed a lot. I’m getting at least 3 weekend days off
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