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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:03
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What has anyone put for the salary expected question? I donít want to undervalue myself or come across greedy, any advice?
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:20
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I just put the salary they advertised for the euroflyer position ..
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:57
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Makes sense, thanks 👍🏻
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:59
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I donít recall such a question being asked during the last recruitment process. Iím not quite sure why itís being asked, as my understanding is pay isnít based on previous experience or individual performance.

Indeed the application form appears to have been Ďstreamlinedí and is now basically very much Ďupload your CV, answer this one question and good luck!í

Notwithstanding the above, Iíd echo the advice to answer any questions put carefully.



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Old 5th Aug 2022, 23:51
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Originally Posted by Phantom4 View Post
You should answer the questions very carefully and spend considerable time on the application up to a week.
The HR department can spot the ‘back of a fag packet’ responses,they’ve seen it hundreds of times before.
Before submission ask your soulmate to critique it..
When you reach the interview stage,download IAG Financial Results for 2021.Enormous amount of information including sections such as the threats facing the company.You need to present yourself as someone who stands out for the right reasons.Good Luck.
When is the last time management came in the crewroom and asked: "Nigel(lette), what should we do, the shareholders aren't happy?". The only reason for a pilot to know about the financial performance of the company they are applying for, is to make sure they can pay him. HR should be interested if they are a good pilot. HR asking pilots about company financials makes as much sense as HR asking accountants applying at BA to recite 747 engine fire memory items. And yes, with this attitude I will not get hired at BA, Got it, Thanks!
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 06:58
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Hans,I think with respect you are missing my point.Having been on the team a question often asked was ‘what are the threats facing The Company’ This is not exclusive to Flight Ops.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 07:33
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Originally Posted by hans brinker View Post
When is the last time management came in the crewroom and asked: "Nigel(lette), what should we do, the shareholders aren't happy?". The only reason for a pilot to know about the financial performance of the company they are applying for, is to make sure they can pay him. HR should be interested if they are a good pilot. HR asking pilots about company financials makes as much sense as HR asking accountants applying at BA to recite 747 engine fire memory items. And yes, with this attitude I will not get hired at BA, Got it, Thanks!
It shows that the person is keen to get the job & is willing to put in the extra work to get it
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 10:25
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Slightly off topic but where on earth do LHR short haul Nigels live? Quick glance at rentals in West London is enough to make your eyes water.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 17:52
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Originally Posted by SpamCanDriver View Post
It shows that the person is keen to get the job & is willing to put in the extra work to get it
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Hans,I think with respect you are missing my point.Having been on the team a question often asked was ‘what are the threats facing The Company’ This is not exclusive to Flight Ops.
Good Luck.
No, I will respectfully disagree. Have applied for countless jobs, have been asked all the questions, jumped through all the hoops, and understand about putting the extra work in to get the job. Got my last job by going to HQ with my CV in hand, uninvited. And with 10 years to go, at (hopefully) my final airline, will try to go the extra mile for the company to succeed every time I am in uniform. When I look for a job I look at how they will treat me. And I just happen to believe that the only reason the company will do good is if they treat their employees right, before they treat the customers right. Me knowing about the financials and threats is for me. They should be interested in what extra I would bring to MY job, to make theirs easier.
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Old 6th Aug 2022, 20:59
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Slightly off topic but where on earth do LHR short haul Nigels live? Quick glance at rentals in West London is enough to make your eyes water.
in the home counties where rents are less harmful to the optical equipment
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 00:09
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Originally Posted by Seosan View Post
Slightly off topic but where on earth do LHR short haul Nigels live? Quick glance at rentals in West London is enough to make your eyes water.
Even Home Counties, Herts, Sussex, Berks etc. Theyíre tremendously expensive places. A look on rightmove- £1000/month gets you 1 perhaps 2 bed noddy and big ears box - some look like theyíve been the scene of the odd crime. £700/800 month a room share. Student life. Not so ok when youíre 30s onwards. Suppose depends if single or spouse can contribute. Children etc.

You can start further away down the M4 or up the M40 but youíre into petrol cost and sometimes hotels before earlies and extra duty hours at the beginning and end of your day sitting on the motorway in traffic.

Best stretching it as far as you can feel comfortable driving without dipping frequently into hotel before duties territory. Thatís the road to notown doing that long term. Youíll blow lots of your time off and money on hotels and fuel just to do the job and itíll drive you crackers eventually. Iím in that position, not by choice. I think itís sometimes overlooked that BA agreed pay is fairly good but itís perversely a very expensive job to do. Either upping oneís life to live nearby or spending £300-£900 a month getting to and from work with hotels/petrol or flights. Thatís £3k-£9k a year allowing for leave. So as a commuter knock £5k min off the annual salary (and the delta too)

My advice if youíre looking at doing the BA thing with years on SH is draw a circle around Heathrow based on a radius of time factoring in youíll have been operating knackered for long duties. It wonít actually be a proper circle as going too far round the M25 means 30/45 mins say is awful close whereas itíll arc out a little more down the M4. (On a bad time of the day 30 mins still has you watching aircraft take off above your car just outside Heathrow)

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Old 7th Aug 2022, 13:56
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Good luck.
Cheers Jack. Bit past flatting in Twickers at my age but you never know. At least itís close to the footy field!
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I just put the salary they advertised for the euroflyer position ..
My understanding is that the Delta salary subtraction (expected to be minus 9% next year) is applicable to all BA and Euroflyer new hire headline salaries as well as to existing pilots.

See the BA Delta thread - British Airways and 'The Delta' Pay Cut. - and the BA pilots current ballot on the subject.

You might wish to factor that into your salary expectation and the advertised salary.

Warning - Questioning the Delta or why Easy LGW pilots get paid 50 % more for the same job, or mentioning the ongoing Osborne/BA Employment Tribunal case - https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribun...841-slash-2020
- may well be fail points.

Good luck to you all ... LFH
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 10:05
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I've been told by 2 close colleagues already working at BA that they're confident that the 'delta' doesn't apply to new colleagues (something that everyone - almost rightly - seems to be dearly bitter about). Contradicts the consensus on here though that Delta will apply to everyone - Anyone got a concrete answer?

I think it'd be a difficult pill to swallow when you're asked to sign a contract with a stated pay scale and then someone says "actually, we're running a payout at the moment so this isn't accurate.."
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 16:38
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Originally Posted by GetTheQRH View Post
I've been told by 2 close colleagues already working at BA that they're confident that the 'delta' doesn't apply to new colleagues (something that everyone - almost rightly - seems to be dearly bitter about). Contradicts the consensus on here though that Delta will apply to everyone - Anyone got a concrete answer?

I think it'd be a difficult pill to swallow when you're asked to sign a contract with a stated pay scale and then someone says "actually, we're running a payout at the moment so this isn't accurate.."

PRP (redundant pilots) do not have the delta paycut, new hires externally, do. as mentioned previously in the thread.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 16:50
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Originally Posted by balpalover69 View Post
PRP (redundant pilots) do not have the delta paycut, new hires externally, do. as mentioned previously in the thread.
With the best will in the world (and an understanding that airlines throw logic and reasoning out the window regularly), why would a new hire be expected to take the Ďdeltaí? If the purpose was to save jobs and retain talent through the various hold pools that are now empty, why would the delta continue, let alone be a burden of an external hire? Do the PRP waive the pay cut simply due to being based at Gatters?
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Originally Posted by Seosan View Post
With the best will in the world (and an understanding that airlines throw logic and reasoning out the window regularly), why would a new hire be expected to take the Ďdeltaí? If the purpose was to save jobs and retain talent through the various hold pools that are now empty, why would the delta continue, let alone be a burden of an external hire? Do the PRP waive the pay cut simply due to being based at Gatters?
No, Lot of PRP are based at LHR. I suppose reasoning is that the Delta arose from Balpa sort of 'selecting' the pilots in the PRP and the cost difference associated, so they could hardly make the PRP pay for their own redundancy, hence why PRP is exempt.

Pools might be empty but BA pilots/ balpa signed the delta deal in 2020, doesn't mean it goes away.

You might sign a mortgage, if your house price falls doesn't mean the mortgage goes away just because the market has changed...

If said new hire doesn't want the delta, no one is forcing them to submit the application and go through a three-step hiring process to join.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 18:54
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Originally Posted by balpalover69 View Post
Pools might be empty but BA pilots/ balpa signed the delta deal in 2020, doesn't mean it goes away.
Thanks. Makes sense, I guess quite the faux pas from BA BALPA to let that be indefinite.

Edit: to use the mortgage example, if you signed a 3% interest mortgage and were stuck in it and then they advertised a new rate of 2% to new customers, why would the new customer have to accept the 3% just because you did historically?

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Old 11th Aug 2022, 19:44
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Wasn’t the danger that a new entrant could be on a higher salary than a pilot currently working for BA?
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If new hires didnít pay it, thereíd be 3 scales. The A scale- PP24 people paying a delta. The B scale - you guys- new joiners not paying a delta and the C scale - current PP34 pilots hit with the delta.

The terms they will trumpet in Q and As are the terms weíve seen challenged year on year

For what itís worth thereís hardly a non management pilot that thinks anyone should be paying this permanant (if youíre over 30 something) pay cut/tax
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