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Old 11th Aug 2022, 23:38
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Originally Posted by Seosan View Post
Thanks. Makes sense, I guess quite the faux pas from BA BALPA to let that be indefinite.

Edit: to use the mortgage example, if you signed a 3% interest mortgage and were stuck in it and then they advertised a new rate of 2% to new customers, why would the new customer have to accept the 3% just because you did historically?
the customer can go to a different bank…? Or stay with their current bank. Nothing forcing them to go through the process with this bank and signing up for a mortgage.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 07:09
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Originally Posted by balpalover69 View Post
the customer can go to a different bankÖ? Or stay with their current bank. Nothing forcing them to go through the process with this bank and signing up for a mortgage.
Alright so my banking metaphor wasnít great! The appeal (as has always been) of BA is the longevity and variety your career can have there, along with a decent paycheque. Iím not saying that anyone is forced into applying, but it doesnít make sense to me that a new entrant would be presented with a pay scale and then told that a random, incalculable percentage will be deducted monthly from now until retirement. Internally, whilst still an awful deal, it was at least accepted by the union and its members. Isnít the delta up for negotiation at present anyhow? Surely it canít last much longer.

In terms of multiple scales; just playing devilís advocate but it sounds like a great way to divide pilots and reduce faith in the union. Not that the company would like to do that or anythingÖ
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 09:03
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Originally Posted by Seosan View Post
Alright so my banking metaphor wasnít great! The appeal (as has always been) of BA is the longevity and variety your career can have there, along with a decent paycheque. Iím not saying that anyone is forced into applying, but it doesnít make sense to me that a new entrant would be presented with a pay scale and then told that a random, incalculable percentage will be deducted monthly from now until retirement. Internally, whilst still an awful deal, it was at least accepted by the union and its members. Isnít the delta up for negotiation at present anyhow? Surely it canít last much longer.

In terms of multiple scales; just playing devilís advocate but it sounds like a great way to divide pilots and reduce faith in the union. Not that the company would like to do that or anythingÖ

not saying itís fair, but applications are inundated and this thread is full of people desparate to apply at any cost (even when people applying weakens Balpas negotiating position) so that all that really needs to be said Ö some sheep will do anything even when warned by multiple sources.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 10:53
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BA has always been inundated by applications whenever DEP opens up, and frankly I canít see that changing anytime soon. Whilst things are far from rosy at BA, and werenít when I was there, you only have to visit for instance, the Middle East forum to see that the grass isnít necessarily greener elsewhere.

Thatís not to say there are no better options out there, that depends on your views and your situationÖa young, single person with no financial commitments could view BA in a very different light to someone with a mortgage and family in their mid 30sÖ

As for BALPA/BA Ö.no comment.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 13:36
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Originally Posted by balpalover69 View Post
not saying itís fair, but applications are inundated and this thread is full of people desparate to apply at any cost (even when people applying weakens Balpas negotiating position) so that all that really needs to be said Ö some sheep will do anything even when warned by multiple sources.
Applications donít weaken too much. Itís weakened only if those guys actually accept a contract with the Delta. If all applicants refused it, it would strengthen their position. However, sadly I canít see many purple Airbus operators refusing a contract even with the pay cut.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Seosan View Post
Applications donít weaken too much. Itís weakened only if those guys actually accept a contract with the Delta. If all applicants refused it, it would strengthen their position. However, sadly I canít see many purple Airbus operators refusing a contract even with the pay cut.
I mean an application to ba is as good as accepting it. Huge interest to join the company hardly does balpas case justiceÖ.

same principle different label whatever
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 03:02
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Does anyone have any info on the current hold pool? Particularly now that DEP vacancies are being advertised.
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Old 23rd Aug 2022, 07:49
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Holdpool update email

Hey guys and girls,

Did anyone else receive the holdpool email saying they need to reapply for the position in the holdpool?

I got this last night.

Also - has anyone here converted their license from EASA to CAA? I applied last month but wondering how long this usually takes atm?

Cheers!
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Old 23rd Aug 2022, 19:48
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I havenít received an email.

Is it asking you to re-apply for the job from the beginning, or is there a process to re-apply to stay in the hold pool?
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Old 23rd Aug 2022, 19:55
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Originally Posted by SAR Bloke View Post
I havenít received an email.

Is it asking you to re-apply for the job from the beginning, or is there a process to re-apply to stay in the hold pool?
If you completed the process and hold a conditional offer then itís only the latter
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Old 23rd Aug 2022, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Treestripe View Post
Hey guys and girls,

Did anyone else receive the holdpool email saying they need to reapply for the position in the holdpool?

I got this last night.

Also - has anyone here converted their license from EASA to CAA? I applied last month but wondering how long this usually takes atm?

Cheers!
I know a few gone through that recently and took them 6 months!!!
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 09:32
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
I know a few gone through that recently and took them 6 months!!!
Speaking from my own personal experience, 6 months is about right
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 11:44
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Took me best part of a year (that was back in 2020)
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Old 25th Aug 2022, 20:41
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Surprised no one has mentioned this yet…


https://careers.ba.com/job/gatwick/b...48/35001507168

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Old 26th Aug 2022, 09:57
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Any chance of non rated DEC?!🤣
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 14:57
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Where do they think they are going to get Current A320 Captains from other than perhaps Wiz?
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 16:39
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Surprised no one has mentioned this yetÖ


https://careers.ba.com/job/gatwick/b...48/35001507168
From that page:
  • Height between 1.57m (5í2Ē) and 1.91m (6í3Ē). Qualified pilots taller than 1.91m may submit an application but will be required to undergo a functionality check to confirm their ability to meet requirements of the searing positions in the BA Euroflyer fleet.
  • Good level of physical fitness
  • Spoken and written English ICAO level 6

"searing positions"? Gosh I know the BA LGW fleet is old, but it doesn't even have air conditioning???

Maybe the person who wrote the job advert should get their ICAO level 6 English sorted???

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Old 28th Aug 2022, 11:20
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Anyone know what the current T&C are for euroflyer? Is it still similar to the 2021 deal or have they started to improve it so they can have a chance to actually bring people over for it?
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Old 29th Aug 2022, 01:52
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"Competitive"
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Old 29th Aug 2022, 13:13
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Has anyone heard anything back from them yet?
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