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What, you mean the chance to earn c£100k (not amazing, I admit) and be based near your home airport? I'd take that over earning £130k and being based in the a*se end of nowhere, thank you very much. Bad conditions in your eyes but decent in the eyes of many others I'd imagine.
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The Spanish Imposition
It *has* to get better soon...surely...!
Since the BA Gatwick Lite pilot voting hiatus last year - ("We'll ballot until you vote Yes") - BA Euroflyer, who will be operating on the BA AOC for a while, has since -
1. Unsurprisingly failed to attract enough volunteers from the ranks of serving BA captains and co-pilots and even from their own pool of temporary and permanent unwanted, who think that a fixed six year 'secondment' might be a freeze too far especially if they are close to the mandated requirements for command.
2. Boasted of the flood of qualified external applicants from Easyjet, Wizz, FR (who all seem to be paid significantly more than Euroflyer is offering) and from various dole queues around Europe - many of whom have since been ignored or failed to demonstrate any reasonable standard.
3. Had to arrange for promised flights to be operated to a large extent this year by - take your pick from - Vueling or Iberia Express, Finnair, Titan, BA Shorthaul at LHR etc.
The latest scuttlebutt according to our 'favourite's' apoplectic Captain in the pub last night, is that Iberia will be supplying a couple of dozen co-pilots specially promoted who will join Euroflyer on the BA MSL as DECs and as a sweetener, will have their pay enhanced by the parent company. Apparently a lot of that is 'according to the Spanish Pilots Union' who may have jumped the announcement gun, because it was 'news' to everyone else.
Thus there is likely to be much accusation and denial before all the ducks are singing from the same hymn sheet. The principal subject of outraged 'debate' seems to be - "What is Balpa doing to stand up for its members ?" - Short answer - "Nothing we can do, old boy, but stand by for comms."
Assuming he doesn't resign from Balpa (again) for Balpa's alleged support for the Spanish Imposition, we may find out more at Quiz Night on Friday, because he says BA has screwed up his recency (again) so he's lost another long trip (again). A long hot summer will not be good for his wellbeing.
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It appears BA Euroflyer can't find enough properly qualified pilots to operate their 'planned' services from Gatwick even with scheduled backup from BA at Heathrow.
Our mate says his mate on the A320 is now getting regular 'begging texts' to be a good team player and nip down to Gatwick to help Euroflyer at short notice (ie. on the day.) He was well off his game at Quiz Night, fuming as well about silence from Balpa on this and similar problems at LHR. It needs to get sorted quick, or he's off our team as well.
No one seems to know whether Euroflyer has got any actual pilots of their own yet.
It must be costing someone a fortune, especially if Euroflyer has to contribute to 'Head Office Costs' on top of all the outsourcing.
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It appears BA Euroflyer can't find enough properly qualified pilots to operate their 'planned' services from Gatwick even with scheduled backup from BA at Heathrow.
Our mate says his mate on the A320 is now getting regular 'begging texts' to be a good team player and nip down to Gatwick to help Euroflyer at short notice (ie. on the day.) He was well off his game at Quiz Night, fuming as well about silence from Balpa on this and similar problems at LHR. It needs to get sorted quick, or he's off our team as well.
No one seems to know whether Euroflyer has got any actual pilots of their own yet.
It must be costing someone a fortune, especially if Euroflyer has to contribute to 'Head Office Costs' on top of all the outsourcing.
LFH
Sixteen aircraft according to the website so I guess about 80+ Captains. With such narrow experience criteria, I am not sure where they are going to find them. Poaching from Wizz and Easy seems to be the only option and they are unlikely to get many applicants from the latter.
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Sixteen aircraft according to the website so I guess about 80+ Captains. With such narrow experience criteria, I am not sure where they are going to find them. Poaching from Wizz and Easy seems to be the only option and they are unlikely to get many applicants from the latter.
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Has anyone gone for selection with BA recently? I have been told they have changed their Psychometric testing compared to previous years, as well as the assessment day in Waterside, it appears it runs slightly different than before.
If anyone has gone through selection recently can you post a quick recap? What were the psychometric tests like?
If anyone has gone through selection recently can you post a quick recap? What were the psychometric tests like?
I see the EF job vacancy has been removed from the BA careers page. Does anyone know if they have managed to recruit enough DEC's to cover the 16 aircraft or are they still planning to wet lease into the next season?
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I think they were back filling most of them from their redundant pilots and suitable candidates from mainline holdpool? I'm guessing all done if advert has gone.
Floundering ............
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Indeed - I can't find any Euroflyer pilot vacancies on the BA website, nor indeed any ads placed directly by Euroflyer.
However, a gash google for "EF Pilot recruitment" brings up a number of seemingly current ads by various agencies I've never heard of ** - for direct entry pilots or direct entry captains. These do not seem to be made by Euroflyer. Some of them seem to be catch-all 'job-search engines.' So I have no idea whether any of them lead anywhere useful, or whether they are out-of-date dross, because you mostly have to register before they will tell you anything. ** For instance - GB-Melga, AviaNation, Jobriton and even LinkedIn.
Anyone seriously looking for a pilot job will already know the above. The word in our pub Friday night was that Euroflyer is still looking for pilots but the quality of applicants is questionable, there is a big shortfall in entry training capacity, and anyone in their right mind with the required type rating and 'acceptable to BA' ought to be looking elsewhere on account of the rubbish T & C.
The underlying opinion is that BA is flounderingly and micro-manageringly unable to decide from day to day what the pilot requirements are for both EF and Mainline and that EF is (unsurprisingly) getting a bit desprit.
Good luck to all pilot job-seekers.
I see the EF job vacancy has been removed from the BA careers page.
I'm guessing all done if advert has gone.
However, a gash google for "EF Pilot recruitment" brings up a number of seemingly current ads by various agencies I've never heard of ** - for direct entry pilots or direct entry captains. These do not seem to be made by Euroflyer. Some of them seem to be catch-all 'job-search engines.' So I have no idea whether any of them lead anywhere useful, or whether they are out-of-date dross, because you mostly have to register before they will tell you anything. ** For instance - GB-Melga, AviaNation, Jobriton and even LinkedIn.
Anyone seriously looking for a pilot job will already know the above. The word in our pub Friday night was that Euroflyer is still looking for pilots but the quality of applicants is questionable, there is a big shortfall in entry training capacity, and anyone in their right mind with the required type rating and 'acceptable to BA' ought to be looking elsewhere on account of the rubbish T & C.
The underlying opinion is that BA is flounderingly and micro-manageringly unable to decide from day to day what the pilot requirements are for both EF and Mainline and that EF is (unsurprisingly) getting a bit desprit.
Good luck to all pilot job-seekers.
Thanks Flash,
That's interesting. I only thought about it after recently looking through the list of TRE's on the CAA website and spotting several extremely experienced, qualified and capable former colleagues who are still out of work. If BA is struggling to find quality applicants and care about standards, they need to drop the crap about needing to be a current Airbus commander because that is preventing these trainers and many other capable line pilots from applying. If they are struggling for quality, then it is entirely of their own doing. If they actually put a bit of money into training, they would have the benefit of a new crop of potential trainer talent for free but so far, they just seem to be going down the road of the worst of the LoCo's and it will eventually bite them.
That's interesting. I only thought about it after recently looking through the list of TRE's on the CAA website and spotting several extremely experienced, qualified and capable former colleagues who are still out of work. If BA is struggling to find quality applicants and care about standards, they need to drop the crap about needing to be a current Airbus commander because that is preventing these trainers and many other capable line pilots from applying. If they are struggling for quality, then it is entirely of their own doing. If they actually put a bit of money into training, they would have the benefit of a new crop of potential trainer talent for free but so far, they just seem to be going down the road of the worst of the LoCo's and it will eventually bite them.
From Go to EF; time for EF to Go
From the BA careers website;
"You’ll feel at home here if you embrace timeless British values and modern Britain’s strengths: knowhow, creativity, energy, diversity and open-mindedness – and a sense of respect, responsibility, fair play and knowing whose turn it is to make the tea."
Which British value is having pilots fly the same aircraft, from the same city, in the same uniform, for less pay? I understand Covid has been awful and why people have applied for EF. But to reinstate BA's claimed respect and fair play to the UK pilot community, I sincerely hope EF goes the same way as Go.
"You’ll feel at home here if you embrace timeless British values and modern Britain’s strengths: knowhow, creativity, energy, diversity and open-mindedness – and a sense of respect, responsibility, fair play and knowing whose turn it is to make the tea."
Which British value is having pilots fly the same aircraft, from the same city, in the same uniform, for less pay? I understand Covid has been awful and why people have applied for EF. But to reinstate BA's claimed respect and fair play to the UK pilot community, I sincerely hope EF goes the same way as Go.
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The maths test is done online before going and is random questions.
Same day for group exercises, face to face, interview and multi tasking.
They also try and sell how great Euro Flyer is on the lower salary but higher flight pay as they cannot attract anyone.
Many people go for the interview and after meeting the BA recruitment team, changing mind about main line and Euro flyer. They will find it hard to attract people, especially those with U.K license, right to work in U.K that are current with a Airbus rating. When considering Jet 2, Easy etc are offering better deals overall.
Same day for group exercises, face to face, interview and multi tasking.
They also try and sell how great Euro Flyer is on the lower salary but higher flight pay as they cannot attract anyone.
Many people go for the interview and after meeting the BA recruitment team, changing mind about main line and Euro flyer. They will find it hard to attract people, especially those with U.K license, right to work in U.K that are current with a Airbus rating. When considering Jet 2, Easy etc are offering better deals overall.
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