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Old 10th Sep 2021, 09:34
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All the FOs I know in italy must be liars then, and the payslips I have seen, fake.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 10:40
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Jet2 has other things to worry about, that is the UK Govt and Brexit. Happy to live on 3700 net at the beginning than living for double the money on the island.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 10:41
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Then I have seen fake pay slips. Or sorta. Because italians returning to Italy pay 50% taxes for 5 years. It's 10 years if you buy a house or have a child.

Still I appreciate Wizz won't work for many of us.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 11:27
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Sounds like precovid on Confair as italian local contracts in the beginning were terrible with taxes...
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 12:21
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Something was wrong then, because pilots in Italy have decent payslips when it comes to taxation.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 15:12
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Too bad they pay taxes in switzerland as well, on international flights, even on the italian contract.
FO salary especially is miserable, ask any of them and they’ll tell you
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 19:42
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But then you can claim those taxes back, unfortunately only by middle of next year - hurts if you have no savings, but in the long term it doesn't matter.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 20:24
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Is that on an Italian contract with social security and TFR paid on top of it?
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 08:47
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That is correct.
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 12:33
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The Italian contracts are still terrible. But like someone said, you get your taxes back under certain circumstances.
But paying taxes on their international flights is surely a hefty pound of flesh !
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 12:45
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If you are italian resident, with family and center of interests in italy, sure. But most of the foreign pilots did not bring the family over as far as I can see, meaning that under most legislations you are still eligible to pay taxes in your own country of residence, at least the difference between what you would have paid there and what italy has taken from your payslip.
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 12:49
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Every time I moved to another country for training or work, I always moved my residency just to get rid of these issues. If you're based full-time somewhere else and it's not a commuting position, I don't understand why people don't do that. Makes everything easier.

And most dual treaties state that for pilots taxes are to be paid where the company is based, social insurance where based. I currently live in one country and am based in another and all taxes and social security are paid where my airline and base are. This might change with a new base in the next few months, and unless there will be a new contract, social security contributions will be paid in the country of basing.
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 15:30
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It depends. I broadly agree with you, but there are instances where a pilot is based (at least according to their contract) in one country, but due to the particularities of airline schedules and aircraft movements, spends very little time indeed at their “base”.

Over the course of a year I can count on a single hand the number of times I’ve flown to and from my base as opposed to starting and ending my duty in other countries. Commuting is very easy from my airport (a major European hub) and therefore I don’t live in the same country I am based in.

I pay social security in the country I am based in as their law requires, but the law of the country I commute from and live in states I must pay my taxes there - luckily they have an agreement with the country I’m based in, so it’s all legal and quite straightforward. But I had to check with a lawyer, and I would suggest anyone working for Wizzair etc. spend the money to ensure they don’t get caught out with taxes and social security....even on the allegedly low salaries that some LCCs seem to pay, it is money very well spent...
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 16:02
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I suggest you also check the Double Tax Treaty between the two countries involved in your case. Our particular case is usually addressed in article 15 of these standard EU treaties.
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Old 11th Sep 2021, 16:41
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Only CONFAIR contracts available and random roster in non popular bases. 4000 net a FO? no my friend came on, even on prepandemic

for me the main problem is that they do not have enough pilots to guarantee a stable roster. And the commuting to home from Eastern Europe countries (some of them) are really difficult with tickets very expensive.
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 08:54
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Not true. Local contracts on the table also.
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 11:52
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If you have a confair contract, in which country do you have to pay the social security?
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 12:02
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In my experience 99% of Wizzair pilots on a Confair contract do not pay social security at all, as it is not taken from their payslip and feel like it is beneath them to pay
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 17:02
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Normally it's because they are paying for full private health insurance instead. or its because the salary is so low that they can't afford to pay full social security... at least during covid
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 17:37
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I'd rather go for private health insurance and a private pension plan, but hey ho they don't like that.
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